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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Hunting Gate => Topic started by: Ezmack23 on September 09, 2018, 03:37:31 PM
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Mostly just day dreaming here. I picked up a cheap np2 to try and get back into hunting last year. Going great so far, so good in fact that I think I'll hit my season limit on squirrels pretty soon. That's got me thinking what's next?
I've got the itch to pick up a PCP, and coyote are year round no limit... but what the heck do you do with a dead coyote? Not going to eat the darn thing. Do you guys sell the skins? Just leave it in a ditch? Protecting the local pets and livestock is admirable sure, just feel weird not using what I shoot.
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I keep the furs. Going to make a throw blanket when I get enough. Then If I get a lot a blanket for my bed. They run about 3-5k for a queen size blanket. Crazy!
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Around here, dead Coyotes (and GS) keep the Turkey Vultures fat and happy.
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Around here, dead Coyotes (and GS) keep the Turkey Vultures fat and happy.
Exactly what I would do.
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we shoot em around here, they are invasive, take pets, livestock, yap all night... definately a nuisance animal.... .... would think you'd need a bigger caliper than .22
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we shoot em around here, they are invasive, take pets, livestock, yap all night... definately a nuisance animal.... .... would think you'd need a bigger caliper than .22
Have you seen Manny’s hog he took with a Trail NP2?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=105940.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=105940.0)
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To shoot something for no reason serves no purpose. If you are not protecting land or livestock or eating it, why do it. Let it go and shoot targets. Just my 3 cents.
Or SSS
Mitch
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we shoot em around here, they are invasive, take pets, livestock, yap all night... definately a nuisance animal.... .... would think you'd need a bigger caliper than .22
Have you seen Manny’s hog he took with a Trail NP2?
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=105940.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=105940.0)
That was impressive....
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To shoot something for no reason serves no purpose. If you are not protecting land or livestock or eating it, why do it. Let it go and shoot targets. Just my 3 cents.
Or SSS
Mitch
I get that. They are invasive and up here the season is 6 months with no requirement to report harvest... which essentially means unlimited. These rules are set by NYS Environmental Conservation so I would guess they are trying to control the population.
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To shoot something for no reason serves no purpose. If you are not protecting land or livestock or eating it, why do it. Let it go and shoot targets. Just my 3 cents.
Or SSS
Mitch
That doesn't answer the OP's question and if anything makes him feel uncomfortable. I know I would be. Coyote hunting is allowed 6 months or all year round in some states because they are a pest to many and take pets, and often small livestock. The OP or anyone certainly should not feel obligated to answer a question like "why do it", or provide a reason in their posts for shooting a coyote or any other critter in season.
The question was what could he do with a coyote if he shot one. My answer is the same as some of the others, namely the vultures have to eat too... or look for a buyer ahead of time if you want to go through the trouble skinning it, and feel bad leaving it for the vultures or to rot away. I did this with raccoons I dispatched in my backyard. Apparently I didn't do a great job with the first couple of skins, so per his request I would leave them buried in the snow until he showed up the next day to pick them up and skin them himself, and he also wanted to consume the meat. I didn't charge him after the first few because I realized he needed the $ (and the meat) a lot more than I did, and he was very thankful. So the 3rd option would be to give them away and help someone.
Harry
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I haven't eaten one yet, but this guy has me wanting to try a slice off the next one I get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzbCp007qcE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzbCp007qcE)
If you don't eat it (something I completely understand), nature will. Tanning furs is a rewarding hobby, I highly recommend learning how to. This is probably one of the easiest ways to produce a nice fur: https://www.vandykestaxidermy.com/Potassium-Alum-W127.aspx (https://www.vandykestaxidermy.com/Potassium-Alum-W127.aspx). Use non iodized salt for best results. I add borax to the paste as well. Raw furs don't always fetch a good price on the fur market, but tanned furs can usually be sold across state lines, giving you a wide market. Even patches of tanned furs can be sold for fly tying and other crafts.
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Move it somwhere you don't have to smell it when it rots.
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I haven't eaten one yet, but this guy has me wanting to try a slice off the next one I get:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzbCp007qcE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzbCp007qcE)
This guy is my hero!
Given the chance, I would give yote meat a try.
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Here in West Tx the Coyotes are not big. A 30-35lb Song dog is the average, we have the occasional 40lb dog. If we have a prime hide (not blue) we skin them and hang the carcass on the fence line. Rancher loves to see the fence line full of coyotes hanging. Sheep and goat country down here.
Take care fellas
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What I’ve heard is don’t eat the kidneys. I guess you get poisoned by to much Vitamin A if you do.
I like the above mentioned idea of giving them away to somebody.
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Conserving the pelts and leaving the remainder for scavengers makes good sense.
Game provides excellent protein, but biomagnification of natural and man-made made toxins intensifies exponentially as you approach the top of the food chain.
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They get really big here in Michigan, I seen a monster one last week and it was on a dead run. If I do get one it will make a nice tanning project. I've always wanted to shoot one because they're a PIA to all the farmers and general population in the areas that have an over abundance of them. I know that the people that run their rabbit dogs just hate them because the suckers are always trying to make a meal out of their beagles.
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They get really big here in Michigan, I seen a monster one last week and it was on a dead run. If I do get one it will make a nice tanning project. I've always wanted to shoot one because they're a PIA to all the farmers and general population in the areas that have an over abundance of them. I know that the people that run their rabbit dogs just hate them because the suckers are always trying to make a meal out of their beagles.
Gee Wayne...is a Dog eat Dog world... out there, in them big old woods. :o I know what I would be doing with the leftover Coyote meat. ;)
Best Wishes - Tom
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This guy is my hero!
Given the chance, I would give yote meat a try.
Yeah, he did make that look really good. I love to try it made as he cooked it, maybe with some carrots in there too.
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They get really big here in Michigan, I seen a monster one last week and it was on a dead run. If I do get one it will make a nice tanning project. I've always wanted to shoot one because they're a PIA to all the farmers and general population in the areas that have an over abundance of them. I know that the people that run their rabbit dogs just hate them because the suckers are always trying to make a meal out of their beagles.
Gee Wayne...is a Dog eat Dog world... out there, in them big old woods. :o I know what I would be doing with the leftover Coyote meat. ;)
Best Wishes - Tom
Coyote jerky would make great doggy treats ;D
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Imagine if coyote jerky was an industry and was selling good at stores? They would probably breed them in farms for the meat, or we would have a small or no coyote season being that so many were taken for the meat/jerky, or they could be calling them an endangered species. Probably best there is no coyote jerky industry :)
Harry
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FWIW,
I have tried most all of the wild game, from MT Lion to Coyote, in one favor or another, Stews thru Jerky,
IMHO, the best is Mt Lion, and in descending order as follow,
Mt Lion, stew/Jerky
Bobcat, stew/Jerky
Beaver, stew/Jerky
Muskrat, stew/Jerky
Rock Chuck, stew/Jerky
Coyote, jerky
Possum, stew = bottom of the barrel choice,
Raccoon, stew = bottom of the barrel choice,
Never tried Quill Pig = Porcupine
Being a life long trapper, and living on a $600 a month salary, family of 5 in the early 60's,
Every thing is edible once you get by the thought/image.......... ;) and cooked properly.
Harry,
You don't have to worry about the Coyote becoming endangered,
it is one critter that will never be endangered, and the smartest critter around.
Tia,
Don
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My neighbor shot one right behind my house last year during archery deer season. It weighed 56lbs. He skinned it & made a rug out of it. Very beautiful fur. For years the Pennsylvania Game Com. denied there were coyotes in Pa. now they are everywhere.
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Although I am not an active hunter presently I feel that if a species is either invasive or a serious threat to people or pets my vote is take them humanely as possible. Presently coyotes are aggressive opportunistic predators and recently there have been several well documented reports of coyotes attacking humans and pets in suburban areas of the NY, NY, CT tri state area. In fact they have been found in Central Park in Manhattan NY. There have also been rumors of sightings on Long Island NY which would not surprise me in the least since there is very limited hunting and an abundant food supply in Suffolk county from an out of control white tail deer population.
Thirty years ago when I lived in Norwalk CT I was driving a delivery route that went from as far south as Greenwich CT up through Pound Ridge NY and as far north as Danbury CT and down to Bridgeport CT. I saw plenty of wild critters and on several occasions saw coyote long before game and wildlife acknowledged there pretense in CT
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Livestock farmers here keep a Donkey or two. Coyotes won't come around when a Donkey is present..... seriously... look it up.
A guy just down the road has a heard of goats. He has a pair of Donkeys and has yet to lose a Goat. You can hear several Coyote packs all around here on any given night.
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we shoot em around here, they are invasive, take pets, livestock, yap all night... definately a nuisance animal.... .... would think you'd need a bigger caliper than .22
Heh maybe Manny would take that shot, I'm not that brave. I got the .22 to see if I could justify the cost of something bigger.
Someone messaged me about a club in town, might take that up just for the practice. But at the end of the day a target is a target and a hunt is a hunt.
If leaving them for the birds is what people do then I suppose I don't have a problem doing it. Given that they are such a nuisance I'd be inclined to put up some posters or find some farmers. I don't typically go on private land. Leaving a rotten coyote just seems like bad form if it's not my property.
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FWIW,
I have tried most all of the wild game, from MT Lion to Coyote, in one favor or another, Stews thru Jerky,
IMHO, the best is Mt Lion, and in descending order as follow,
Mt Lion, stew/Jerky
Bobcat, stew/Jerky
Beaver, stew/Jerky
Muskrat, stew/Jerky
Rock Chuck, stew/Jerky
Coyote, jerky
Possum, stew = bottom of the barrel choice,
Raccoon, stew = bottom of the barrel choice,
Never tried Quill Pig = Porcupine
Being a life long trapper, and living on a $600 a month salary, family of 5 in the early 60's,
Every thing is edible once you get by the thought/image.......... ;) and cooked properly.
Harry,
You don't have to worry about the Coyote becoming endangered,
it is one critter that will never be endangered, and the smartest critter around.
Tia,
Don
Lol, I with Don. The 80's were good time for trappers bobcat hides brought as much as $300ea in Tx
Mountain Lion, Bobcat are tasty 😋 personally I like coon, and opossum acquired taste I suppose. We did eat coyote a couple of times. Not bad, one guy compared it to duck. I know Native American ate dog on special occasions. Never had Yote jerky but do make Javalina jerky with most Javalina we harvest. Here in Tx when we do Coyote Drives any and all coyotes are hung on the fence. Most Old Rancher says that it's a warning to all other coyotes to leave the country and stay away from their sheep and goats!!!! Lol
I worked for a bunch of Tuff Ol' Coots!!! Lol
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There have also been rumors of sightings on Long Island NY which would not surprise me in the least since there is very limited hunting and an abundant food supply in Suffolk county from an out of control white tail deer population.
Thirty years ago when I lived in Norwalk CT I was driving a delivery route that went from as far south as Greenwich CT up through Pound Ridge NY and as far north as Danbury CT and down to Bridgeport CT. I saw plenty of wild critters and on several occasions saw coyote long before game and wildlife acknowledged there pretense in CT
Don, now it's mountain lion sightings (hundreds) that NY and CT states refuse to acknowledge. They are waiting for someone to get seriously hurt by one to finally admit they planted them in our backyards.
BTW, I worked on King St. in Rye Brook, NY for a few months while going to school in the mid-80's, and across the street was Greenwich, CT. King St. separated NY and CT for a few miles. I was in a spot between Purchase, Port Chester, and Greenwich :) We had beaver, fox and all kinds of animals in the woods behind the building I worked at. There was a lot of wildlife there back then, and that was primarily because most towns in the area (ie: most of Westchester county) did not allow the discharge of firearms, so the pressure from hunters was almost non-existent. Thank god I only worked there.
Harry
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I live on a strip of land between the Intercostal waterway & the Atlantic Ocean. Basically a mile wide. We even have coyotes here. I’ve seen them several times & planned to shoot them. We also had lots of feral cats not too long ago, before the coyotes started showing up. The feral cat population has decreased dramatically in the last 18 mos. since the coyotes started appearing.
I’ll leave the coyotes alone for now. IMO they’re doing a community service. If/when the coyotes start to get out of hand, then it’ll be time to start culling their numbers too.
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Fur buyers buy winter coyote pelts; the fur on arctic parka hood is coyote.
Some places buy skulls, lower jaws, and coyote pups.
Coyote pelts in the past have supposedly been worth as much as $200 for a large one, and more for non-typical colored ones.
Some buyers do it by mail:
http://www.furbuyer.com/ (http://www.furbuyer.com/)
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Here in Michigan our coyote season is all year around, the hides will not be any interest to fur buyers until mid to late October at the earliest. I have killed 53 coyotes since Jan. 1 of this year and since about Feb. I just throw them out of the way and leave them lay, they do not go to waste other animals and eagles and Buzzards will eat them and what they don't eat will make good fertilizer for the ground, nothing go's to waste in nature.
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Coyotes carry rabies, parvo, lymes disease and a host of other diseases. Making coyote jerky for your pets is a sure way to cause health issues and even death of your pet.
Donkeys will kill coyotes and carry them around in their mouth before making them look like road kill that has had a convoy of 18 wheeler's run over the coyote. They then tear them to shreds.
Some states do not allow taking the hides without a trappers license. If pesting some states require that the animal not provide any benefit to the one who took it and therefore the animal and ALL its parts are wasted.
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Perhaps, skinning it, soaking carcass overnight in a brine with copious amounts of garlic and onion. Then smoke it for about 8 hours low and slow. Then dig a hole in the backyard and bury it. 8)
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Perhaps, skinning it, soaking carcass overnight in a brine with copious amounts of garlic and onion. Then smoke it for about 8 hours low and slow. Then dig a hole in the backyard and bury it. 8)
That would bring in the feral pigs for sure and they ARE good to eat. lol
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Perhaps, skinning it, soaking carcass overnight in a brine with copious amounts of garlic and onion. Then smoke it for about 8 hours low and slow. Then dig a hole in the backyard and bury it. 8)
Oooo..........Kalua 'yote! :o
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Here in Michigan our coyote season is all year around, the hides will not be any interest to fur buyers until mid to late October at the earliest. I have killed 53 coyotes since Jan. 1 of this year and since about Feb. I just throw them out of the way and leave them lay, they do not go to waste other animals and eagles and Buzzards will eat them and what they don't eat will make good fertilizer for the ground, nothing go's to waste in nature.
Exactly! It will be broken down and put back into the system.
Guess what is actually organic, used to be in the system, and gets broken down and returned to productive natural use?
Crude oil.
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Around here we just bury them, they're flea infested and carry Canine Distemper, so it's important to bury them far away from any dogs, my buddy lost 3 dogs to coyote's carrying canine distemper, the dog's contracted the Distemper from fleas from the Coyotes.
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Donkeys will kill coyotes and carry them around in their mouth before making them look like road kill that has had a convoy of 18 wheeler's run over the coyote. They then tear them to shreds.
Yup, a mature adult male donkey can be a very territorial and dangerous animal. And they can be very quick to react given their slow lazy appearance. Between the bite, the kick or the stomp, they can inflict some serious damage real fast, & the worst thing they can do to you is bite you. If you think a pitbull can really hangs on to a bite, you ain't seen nuthin yet
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I was on a reservation once and they would simmer the meat for hours and hours and hours and then make a stew out of it. They only ate the back strap areas. If you Google it there is a lady that talks about preparing it that way
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I've eaten more than a few apex predators, but if given the option I'll respectfully pass on eating coyote. & that's only because I personally have my own reasons for not eating it. I don't look down my nose upon those that do opt to try it one time or consume it on a regular basis. It's a personal choice. Eat what you're comfortable eating if/when/how you want to.
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Don, now it's mountain lion sightings (hundreds) that NY and CT states refuse to acknowledge. They are waiting for someone to get seriously hurt by one to finally admit they planted them in our backyards.
BTW, I worked on King St. in Rye Brook, NY for a few months while going to school in the mid-80's, and across the street was Greenwich, CT. King St. separated NY and CT for a few miles. I was in a spot between Purchase, Port Chester, and Greenwich :) We had beaver, fox and all kinds of animals in the woods behind the building I worked at. There was a lot of wildlife there back then, and that was primarily because most towns in the area (ie: most of Westchester county) did not allow the discharge of firearms, so the pressure from hunters was almost non-existent. Thank god I only worked there.
Harry
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My aunt's neighbor has one on his trail camera in a field across the street. But people think he just faked the picture (I am in Oswego county) she has been advised by him to keep the dogs on leashes and stay out with them. He also suggested to keep a gun handy since they do live outside of town limits.
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I mean, you expect to see coyotes in rural areas, but actually here in the Los Angeles area it's been in the NEWS lately for several days that a pack of 5 to 7 coyotes has been roaming the culver city area taking out pets. Culver city! downtown los angeles! skyscraper, concrete, freeways.. and a pack of coyotes. maybe the latest fires have driven them into the populated areas.
M
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PBS did a show about coyotes, or maybe red wolves, and how they got around using train tracks in the Chicago area and others. They had film on them walking down the middle of the streets in neighborhoods raiding pet dishes, etc. They also talked about the pack in Central Park. These are heavily populated areas. The fires may have sped up the process of them moving into LA, but I'm willing to bet there were a few already there before the fires started.
The program is under their Nature series and can be seen on their website.
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I mean, you expect to see coyotes in rural areas, but actually here in the Los Angeles area it's been in the NEWS lately for several days that a pack of 5 to 7 coyotes has been roaming the culver city area taking out pets. Culver city! downtown los angeles! skyscraper, concrete, freeways.. and a pack of coyotes. maybe the latest fires have driven them into the populated areas.
M
They were already there. I've seen coyotes a few times in Lakewood (1,500sqft homes on 5,000sqft lots, cookie cutter post WWII developed).
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I mean, you expect to see coyotes in rural areas, but actually here in the Los Angeles area it's been in the NEWS lately for several days that a pack of 5 to 7 coyotes has been roaming the culver city area taking out pets. Culver city! downtown los angeles! skyscraper, concrete, freeways.. and a pack of coyotes. maybe the latest fires have driven them into the populated areas.
M
they've been there for decades, you just never see them, most people in the city can't tell the difference between a dog and a Coyote so they never report it, My Uncle lived there in Culver city back in the early 70's, he had them going through his back yard at night, they were eating all the cats, I bet if you stay up late enough and go downtown, you will see all sorts of critters poking around, Raccoons use the sewers to travel along with the Rats, and Possums use the utility lines and brick walls as their super highway, did you know that in the middle of Riverside off Tyler and California st, there is a hill that has a Cougar Den, my brother seen a female with cubs there, the locals know about them and they call it Cougar hill.
here's a picture of a coyote my game camera caught in my back yard, I live in a very populated area of Vista ca, north San Diego county, they are all over the place, I do warn neighbors but most don't listen.
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I don’t warn neighbors. I’ve driven by a pair of yotes, then driven by the sheeple walking their tiny dog one block down. I chuckled to myself.
Once society goes so far into willful ignorance about fatherhood, gender dysphoria, zero sum wealth... no point.
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The coyotes I have around don't bother me as I enjoy hearing them at night, plus they keep my rabbit population in check. I do wonder if coyotes are known to eat hogs or young hogs. If I killed a coyote I'd leave it in the woods for other coyotes to eat but hogs and many other critters will eat them too.
Interesting posts about donkeys since I didn't know that about them. My neighbor has a couple of them along with some cattle and horses where I always giggle when I hear them braying.
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The coyotes I have around don't bother me as I enjoy hearing them at night, plus they keep my rabbit population in check. I do wonder if coyotes are known to eat hogs or young hogs. If I killed a coyote I'd leave it in the woods for other coyotes to eat but hogs and many other critters will eat them too.
Interesting posts about donkeys since I didn't know that about them. My neighbor has a couple of them along with some cattle and horses where I always giggle when I hear them braying.
They do, with a preference for the young ones primarily. Too much risk & work involved in trying to take down a full grown boar for a lone songdog or even a pair to try it.
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Do coyotes only attack small hogs by themselves or will they also attack small hogs when the sow is there to help defend? I've never heard of let alone seen footage of coyotes attacking hogs but I'm sure glad to hear they do because hogs do a lot of damage to my place at times. I've heard coyotes yelling excitedly sometimes as if celebrating around their kill. If so I hope it was hogs that I heard them sounding so happy about.
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I don't think the coyote's would go anywhere near a small/young hog with the sow around, unless it was so small they can sneak up on them, snatch it with one bite, and run away with it. The thing is the baby hog would squeal loudly and the sow would give chase, and other hogs might join her too, in which case the coyote would probably drop it. From the many videos I 've watched on youtube wild hogs seem to have pretty good stamina.
Harry
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I'd tend to agree with that as it makes sense. Yes they can run up to at least 30mph for short bursts and they're migratory with good memories remembering honey hole spots and traveling up to 20 miles a day during migration I've heard. What I don't like is them staying on my property for a couple months at a time tearing it up before leaving elsewhere. Nothing quite brings such pleasure as hearing one squealing during death from being shot because of it. I hate them with a passion after all the ground I've had to fix because of them plus they get people killed on the roads in collisions and near misses. Dude got killed right in front of my home swerving to miss one and crashing in the ditch last year. More people need to hunt hogs.