Jose,A "springer" that is easy to shoot should sell well.However, making "a better mousetrap" is sometimes not enough. Sometimes it is hard for the target market to accept something that is too different, even if one might get used to it. A case in point is the trigger that pulls away from one's finger on firing:The traditional ways to improve triggers is to lighten the pull weight, make it "crisp", and to limit the overtravel. Your design may have a light pull force, but it effectively has an extra long overtravel - so, potentially perceived as a negative change. Your withdrawing trigger may be an improvement, but it goes against what is known to work for accurate shooting. So, I have a suggestion:Connect the trigger to the sear by means of a short pushrod, rather than directly, or via a captive hinge. This will allow you to set the trigger overtravel against a firm stop, that travels just far enough to trip the sear, plus perhaps 0.5 to 1 mm. Because the trigger of your airgun would not be attached directly to the sear, or trigger mechanism, the trigger mechanism would be free to recoil back 15 mm, as it does now. You can think of this as a trigger disconnector, similar to that used by semi-automatic firearms - except in the case of your free recoiling compression cylinder, its purpose is to enable a short trigger movement, with a positive stop.Now, obviously the balance and feel of any rifle is more important than its weight. That said, with aluminum parts used in place of steel, 8 lb seems slightly "too heavy". Then again, it is significantly lighter than the Diane 54.The above may not put anyone off buying the rifle, or recommending it. So, consider this speculation, with a possible way of improving the rifle, before there is any evidence of a problem.Best of luck with your new product.
you are aiming at the target and you begin to pull the trigger, trigger doesnt move anywhere. When you push trigger more and the airgun fires, is in that moment when the trigger and the rest of the action, goes back.So the feeling is the same until action fires.
Thanks for your comments, mate.Our system helps to minimise the forces that can move the airgun when still pellet is going inside the barrel. So must to be more effective than conventional. You can adjust the trigger to a very short travel and very light to pull. I can’t see the trouble. Il read your comments again tomorrow ( here is 23:40)About stock: there are two main streams: classic wood and polymers. We chose last one because this airgun is focused mainly to hunters and plinkers. I understand some people don’t like this aesthetic but, sincerely, give it a chance to hold and see on the shop. Maybe you can cjange your opinion.We have been working in rhisbproject since 2017: more than 17 different prototypes have been built and tested. Many hours of thinking, designing, building, testing and redesign again and again. We firmly think project has reached an optimum functionality. Hope shooters can appreciate it and airgun can satisfy every shooter that trust on it.Best regards,Jose.
Quote from: lefteyeshot on January 16, 2022, 12:38:09 PMWhat is meant by Massimo 'total guided spring'.The 515 trigger reminds me of the triggers in my Crosman 3100's.Massimo model has two iron guides: one at the end of the spring (inside piston) and another one at the beginning (near trigger). When you cock, one guide inserts into the other, so spring is always guided. No more Norica models has this system.515 trigger is not apprpoopiate for high power models. For low power like Thor or Titan, can be a choice to low the final price, working acceptably. I don´t know too much about corsman models.Greetings!
What is meant by Massimo 'total guided spring'.The 515 trigger reminds me of the triggers in my Crosman 3100's.
I am especially hopeful that the rifle is successful not only because you worked hard to make it a reality but also because new designs will push the sport forward into the future.-Marty
Jose,I appreciate that your recoiling system makes the airgun much easier to shoot accurately. After all, it is in effect using what we call the "artillery hold"; known to help make shooting spring airguns easier. Except that your system does it very consistently, to make it easy for everybody, all the time.My suggestion about the trigger is only to extract all the potential advantage from your recoiling system. Not so much for shooting from a bench rest, but when shooting off hand. Also, my suggestion is for the trigger to feel more like expensive target or field air rifles - throughout the complete shot cycle. You are taking a risk introducing a retracting trigger. I hope it pays off with wide acceptance from your target market.I am glad to hear about the wood stock version. Look forward to seeing it.
Jose,Thanks for joining us and big thanks for coming up with new ideas for spring guns.May I suggest that you and Norica consider producing an entry level 10 meter target rifle.I believe that there could be a huge market for youth marksmanship programs. Most of the current rifles are either old, obsolete, no longer made or cheap PCP's.Good luck in your endeavours,-Yogi
I would hope more for a US retailer to actually climb on board first. All well and good if they have an Importer somewhere that will get the guns here, but with no retailers bringing in the Omnia and other rifles in the Norica line, those rifles will just sit in a warehouse unless the importer plans to sell direct to the end user, namely us....lol.
Quote from: SteveP-52 on January 18, 2022, 12:39:31 PMI would hope more for a US retailer to actually climb on board first. All well and good if they have an Importer somewhere that will get the guns here, but with no retailers bringing in the Omnia and other rifles in the Norica line, those rifles will just sit in a warehouse unless the importer plans to sell direct to the end user, namely us....lol.Not quite the same problem with importers, retailers/vendors. But you can get a wood stock for a Dominator or a carbine looking Proxima without open sights in Europe but not here.
Whether they got friggin cheaper or not has nothing to do with what guns they choose to sell or not sell in the US. Hatsan Arms makes the decision what gunsthey will and won't sell in the US and I highly doubt the state of Turkish currency has anything to do with it.Also totally off the topic of the new ZRS/Norica recoiless rifle system and when or if it even will be seen on US shores. Personally I hope they find an importer/retailer willing to sign on and bring the Norica line of rifles back to the US along with parts and service for all of them.