Just talkin' airguns and airgun stuff - the "airgun world" if you will - I'm not here with a get rich quick or get over real good scheme or master plan. LOL I've gave guns andaccessories/parts away and the stuff I sell is a good deal to a heck of a deal IMO. I know this same thing or way is true more/less of a number of you. Nothing wrong with making a living and a good one but there's something about those folks that are always trying to make a killing that bothers me. Some are ignorant when they put a ridiculous price on this or that but I intuit and often even know way more are very well aware of the details, the value, etc. Oh well - what's new?! I'm just a casual shooter - not a collector, smith, dealer, tuner, competitor and I am not addicted or whatever to AG or any forums so none of this wobbles my foundation. LOL
Quote from: DavidS on December 29, 2014, 11:29:55 PMQuote from: Pappy on December 29, 2014, 10:54:54 PMQuote from: DavidS on December 23, 2014, 10:46:13 AMWhile I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to. So I do not measure the value in cash.For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is). IndeedIt does not take a high dolor AG to do the job. The key is the person behind the gun more than the gun. This sums it up right there. The person behind the gun. I put food on the table and pest with air guns most put their noses down to. My Gamo Big Cat .22 which is not tuned and has the stock trigger kills anything I aim it at, from woodchucks down. My lowly Daisy 880 outperforms all of my Crosmans and also kills whatever it is pointed at, from rabbits on down. The price of the AG does not make it more or less capable. The capability lies in the one holding said weapon. Well said David.
Quote from: Pappy on December 29, 2014, 10:54:54 PMQuote from: DavidS on December 23, 2014, 10:46:13 AMWhile I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to. So I do not measure the value in cash.For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is). IndeedIt does not take a high dolor AG to do the job. The key is the person behind the gun more than the gun. This sums it up right there. The person behind the gun. I put food on the table and pest with air guns most put their noses down to. My Gamo Big Cat .22 which is not tuned and has the stock trigger kills anything I aim it at, from woodchucks down. My lowly Daisy 880 outperforms all of my Crosmans and also kills whatever it is pointed at, from rabbits on down. The price of the AG does not make it more or less capable. The capability lies in the one holding said weapon. Well said David.
Quote from: DavidS on December 23, 2014, 10:46:13 AMWhile I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to. So I do not measure the value in cash.For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is). IndeedIt does not take a high dolor AG to do the job. The key is the person behind the gun more than the gun.
While I will not pay much for an AirGun, that is because I can not afford to. So I do not measure the value in cash.For me the measure of value of an AirGun is:Value=(How_well_it_puts_food_on_the_table + ((2 * enjoyment_provided)/3) + (100 / purchase_price))/3This is not a cash value, it is a true value with nothing to do with money (other than the lower the cost of a rifle for it providing food and enjoyment the better it is).
Ron figure -30% of retail and cross your fingers. Most buyers are of three types tire kickers that are looking for super cheap or bargain hunters who will then post on how cheap they got this excellent rifle for. Then there are those who will negotiate without being insulting and they will usually buy the air gun from you. At that point you both walk away happy
I thought he meant 30% of the retail price as In a Gun that retails for $500 will sell for $150
so this is very subjective and just my opinion: the value of an airgun is approx. = (blue book value) - (10% for being not new in box) - (5% for modifications in any way, excluding sights) - (2% for anything not .177cal) +/- (2% for scope/peep/other sights) = (blue book value) - (up to 15-19%)just my thoughts about what i will pay. (Crosman 13xx and 22xx, may be exceptions...but not immune)correction: what you will part with $-wise is the perceived value. what an owner wants for their gun is not of any consequence if he can not get a buyer to pay the $$$$. if you buy a new car for $50,000 and put $100,00 into parts and then try to sell it for $150,000, buyers will balk all day long about the 3X MSRP junk-bucket that the greedy owner want to unload. if you think your gun is worth 850 but the sales in the market show only sales under 300 you might not have a gun worth 850, like you think. more like 350, as the market dictates. you can hold on til someone gives you 850, but you will likely see inflation eat your profit (over 40 years), or you'll cave-into the lower price. thanks,rob
This has been a very good read and I agree with most of what has been said. I do remember in 1969 I had to save for weeks and weeks to come up with $69.00 and change. Once saved I rushed to Roses Department store in Virginia Beach to purchase a Ruger single six 22LR with the magnum cylinder. I was a Sgt in the Marine Corps and the wife and daughter came first. So it did take weeks. I also regret later not putting the same $69.00 plus into a new Webley Tempest (maybe 1980ish). I still do not have the money to rush out and purchase what I would like to have (Daystate any Daystate, w/beautiful LH wood stock) but I can purchase some of the lesser valued items and enjoye each and every one. I usually get used equipment that way I can purchase more items. I also find that used air guns are mostly well taken care of and in very nice shape. I guess I will always be waiting for the $69 Tempest, a FWB 124 at $189 or that FWB 150 with a Left hand Tyrolean stock for $249. Long time ago a friend of mine told me something, he said "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get". I find that to be most often the truth.
Quote from: Mike-Nashville on May 24, 2019, 07:41:44 PMThis has been a very good read and I agree with most of what has been said. I do remember in 1969 I had to save for weeks and weeks to come up with $69.00 and change. Once saved I rushed to Roses Department store in Virginia Beach to purchase a Ruger single six 22LR with the magnum cylinder. I was a Sgt in the Marine Corps and the wife and daughter came first. So it did take weeks. I also regret later not putting the same $69.00 plus into a new Webley Tempest (maybe 1980ish). I still do not have the money to rush out and purchase what I would like to have (Daystate any Daystate, w/beautiful LH wood stock) but I can purchase some of the lesser valued items and enjoye each and every one. I usually get used equipment that way I can purchase more items. I also find that used air guns are mostly well taken care of and in very nice shape. I guess I will always be waiting for the $69 Tempest, a FWB 124 at $189 or that FWB 150 with a Left hand Tyrolean stock for $249. Long time ago a friend of mine told me something, he said "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get". I find that to be most often the truth. "success was when you get what you want and happiness is when you want what you get". I find that to be most often the truth. That is a very interesting statement . Thank you for your Service Mike.
- (5% for modifications in any way, excluding sights)Is tuning considered a modification? I would think one that had been tuned would add to it's valve.