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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: mann on June 01, 2018, 02:13:03 PM
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So I decided to order some parts to make my talondor 25 a slug shooter. I ordered a .250 unchoked 24 in lw heavy barrel . A shroud from talon tunes 14 inch . Then I ordered a extreme valve gen 2 from PCP tunes. I also ordered slugs from nielson ammo a sample pack . I got a acecare carbon fiber bottle coming any one have any experience with PCP tunes extreme valve or ace care bottles . I'm hoping it will be a fun build and that the valve will work
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Looking for suggestions also thanks
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Ace care bottle won't be here for awhile so I ordered a bottle from talon tunes for 3625 psi . I'll use the acecare on a different valve I guess
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I can't say that I've had experience with parts from PCP Tunes... But I would either send the gun to Talon Tunes for work, or I would get an R&L valve if they're still selling them. I just don't trust those cloner valves... JMO. Again, I don't have direct experience with those PCP Tunes valves, but w/3k psi, I want to be sure of the quality of the valve...
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I have 2 Acecare Bottles. Work fine, good quality. Can't go wrong for the $110 each cost me delivered. I also use an R&L Extreme Valve but it is shortly to be replaced by a Noble Valve!
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I talked to rl airguns and they aren't doing the extreme valve any more that's why I decided to order a PCP tunes valve . I hope it works
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How much FPE do you want? The new factory Condor valves are making a lot of power. My stock gun is making 118fpe with 65 grain Bob’s Boattails.
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I have a new condor hi flow but was hoping that the PCP tunes valve will do better than that
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How fast are you able to get the 65 gr to go
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"IF" you can get a Noble valve, it will be far and away the more powerful valve. I have his older, les powerful .25 valve in a .257, and It can be pushed to 200 fpe. I normally shoot it at 170 fpe with 80 gr NOE Ranch Dog Bullets. 8)
Knife
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I'd like to get one of Doug's valves but don't know how to get ahold of him
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Go to Dyotat100 here on the GTA forums. ;)
Knife
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His message box is full won't let you send anything
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How fast are you able to get the 65 gr to go
920fps is where it tops out on a 3000psi fill. Power wheel is in the middle. I get about 6 shots above 900fps. .50-.75 groups at 50 yards. My barrel is factory. The 65 gr come out of the mold oversized for my bore. I have been shooting them as is. I have a sizer I’m going to try tomorrow to make them .250.
If you’re talking 170-200fpe, then no you won’t get there stock. I remember the days when people strained to get their Condors to 120fpe, so I’m tickled mine can do it stock except with a TT tophat. All I have to do is drop in a restricter screw and I’m back to a 920fps tune with Kings.
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Thats good for stock wow
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Who all makes slugs that .250 and aren't that expensive
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How fast are you able to get the 65 gr to go
920fps is where it tops out on a 3000psi fill. Power wheel is in the middle. I get about 6 shots above 900fps. .50-.75 groups at 50 yards. My barrel is factory. The 65 gr come out of the mold oversized for my bore. I have been shooting them as is. I have a sizer I’m going to try tomorrow to make them .250.
If you’re talking 170-200fpe, then no you won’t get there stock. I remember the days when people strained to get their Condors to 120fpe, so I’m tickled mine can do it stock except with a TT tophat. All I have to do is drop in a restricter screw and I’m back to a 920fps tune with Kings.
Although the AirGunning community wouldn't agree in general, you really gotta love the AirForce Condors for their versatility. Really, nothing beats them! ;)
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They are nice . Easy to mod to
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Who all makes slugs that .250 and aren't that expensive
The cheapest slugs are the ones you make yourself, like anything else. If you are buying ammo, diabolo pellets are the cheapest ammo to shoot.
We make slugs for most popular airguns and mostly swage slugs which are the most consistent method possible for a similar price as a lot of commercial cast slugs for sale.
https://nielsenspecialtyammo.com/
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I cast for my 357 recluse and probably will for this later . I want to see what weights it likes before I get the molds . I know the slugs are going to cost more than the pellets.when I was looking at a couple different sights one was twice the price of the other site . I'm not going name sites
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How fast are you able to get the 65 gr to go
920fps is where it tops out on a 3000psi fill. Power wheel is in the middle. I get about 6 shots above 900fps. .50-.75 groups at 50 yards. My barrel is factory. The 65 gr come out of the mold oversized for my bore. I have been shooting them as is. I have a sizer I’m going to try tomorrow to make them .250.
If you’re talking 170-200fpe, then no you won’t get there stock. I remember the days when people strained to get their Condors to 120fpe, so I’m tickled mine can do it stock except with a TT tophat. All I have to do is drop in a restricter screw and I’m back to a 920fps tune with Kings.
Although the AirGunning community wouldn't agree in general, you really gotta love the AirForce Condors for their versatility. Really, nothing beats them! ;)
I'm coming around to that line of thinking. The Condor is the easiest gun I have to quickly run between being a pellet and a bullet shooter. All I have to do is change the flow thru the tophat by dropping in or removing a screw and I jump from 45fpe to 120fpe. My unregulated Flex was also easy to run between 80fpe for pellets and 110fpe for slugs by just turning the hammer spring a set number of turns, but since I regulated it and lightened the hammer it requires a spring change to get to 100fpe.
I bought my Condor used and it was a booger to get shooting accurate for several months. I finally learned its mechanical quirks (worn-out plastic breech, valve shipped to me not screwed in all the way, thin rail requires ultra tight mounts, ect.), and I had to improve my shooting form as its very easy to jerk the long gun. It is now a sub-one inch gun at 100 yards with Kings and it digests anything I put down the barrel, from odd HP pellets to my poorly cast bullets.
So yeah, its becoming my favorite of the "mid-range" guns.
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I was thinking about using my mrod 25 for slugs and I got to thinking it would be easier just to leave that and use my talon and ill be able to get the power I want out of it . I'll just leave my mrod around 50 ftlbs and save the slugs for the talon
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I'm hoping for more long range and that's why I want to go to slugs my mrod can get out to 60 to 90 yards with the mk 2 34 gr pellets so that's my med range . I like some thing that would be able to drop a coyote out to a 150 if I need to
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I was thinking about using my mrod 25 for slugs and I got to thinking it would be easier just to leave that and use my talon and ill be able to get the power I want out of it . I'll just leave my mrod around 50 ftlbs and save the slugs for the talon
I think you have the right plan. By the time I was done with with power modding my Mrod, I was getting 98fpe with 43 gn Eunjins. But it was only really practical for shot count and sound at 80fpe, and I eventually rebuilt it (after a hard drop) back into a quiet, efficient, 40fpe gun. Running the Mrod hot had me constantly going inside it to maintain it or retune it. Keeping it in the lower power levels is definitely easier on the gun.
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Yeah and it seems to be accurate at that power level 40-50 ftlbs . I'm switching it to the ss valve so it isn't such a bear to cock
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Got slugs today 39 gr threw 59 gr to try . Nielsen ammo shipping is fast and package well . I'm pleased and will use them again . Barrel and valve are supposed to be here tomorrow can't wait to get started on the talon build
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59 gr left 55 gr right
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Well I got PCP tunes extreme flow valve it looks just like the air Force valves I took it apart and did some measurements the throat is 5/16 same size as I punched out my high flow valve the intake is about .025 larger hole. The top hat is longer than the one piece I have in my high flow it also had a .040 larger hole threw it than what's in my hi Flo . It comes with a heavier hammer spring a 110 gram hammer and a rebuild kit seems to be well made also only thing I'm going to do to it is polish the bottom port
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Let us know how it performs!
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I will
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I will be trying the valve in a 3000 psi bottle still waiting for acecare and talon tunes bottle. 24 in lw unchoked barrel also came today so I'll put that in tonight hopefully I'll get some numbers tomorrow
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Waiting to hear how that barrel works out. I have been debating on ordering one from R&L. I wish I could find a .257 barrel, but it doesn't look like anyone is offering a drop-in replacement any more.
I am waiting on Doug to finish up another run of valves as well. I was tempted to order from someone else, but I decided that it was worth it to wait for his.
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I will be trying the valve in a 3000 psi bottle still waiting for acecare and talon tunes bottle. 24 in lw unchoked barrel also came today so I'll put that in tonight hopefully I'll get some numbers tomorrow
I just thought of something- When you finally get your acecare tank, be careful when you're attaching the tank/valve onto the gun- if I remember right, the neck (where the valve threads into) is thicker on the china tanks, than the Talon Tunes tank. So it may hit the two angled rear sections of the frame.
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I'll let you about the accuracy of the .250 barrel and how it does. Yemx what did you so it would fit then if it's thicker
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Well tried the extreme valve and found when I got to about 3000 psi the top hat stem popped out . I don't know if I put a hole in it when I pulled and looked at the stem and reseated it or if there was one there I contacted PCP tunes to see what they will do . Doug said he could fix it and wanted to look at it any way so I shipped it to Doug Noble . I decided to play with my high flow valve to see what it would do with a 110 gram hammer heavy spring . I have a quick change top hat wide open I opened the throat to 5/16 on the valve . Removed the intake / spring retainer and punched it out to .350 and polished it . Power wheel is backed all the way off . At 2500 psi 39 gr slugs where traveling 1.1017 2.1012 3.1007 . Filled bottle up to 3000 psi tried the 59 gr slugs power wheel backed off all the way 1.958 2. 945 3.939 4.934 5. 927. I am topping off my air tank 88 cu ft was down to almost 3000 so shoe box is getting a work out today
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Shoe box got my 88 cu ft tank filled plus 2 fills of 500 cc air Force tank only about 5 hours from 3000 to 4700 psi
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I ordered some peek I am going to try it for the seal on my hi flow valve see what happens I guess
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Acecare bottle came in today looks like it will just barely clear the frame on top and bottom
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PCP tunes valve
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PCP tunes hammer
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I'll let you about the accuracy of the .250 barrel and how it does.
Have you shot the new barrel yet?
I was wondering if you have tried any of the heavier slugs you have?
R&L said the leade was cut in to allow for 45 grain slugs, but couldn't tell me up to what size slugs it will take. I'm interested to see if the larger slugs you have will fit.
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I shot 39 gr and 59 gr the 39 gr went all the way in the barrel 59 gr went in alittle over half way didn't seem to effect velocty though got 958 with it only part way seated with modded hi Flo valve I'll take it out tomorrow and shoot some see how it does I was waiting for my valve to get back from Doug it had a leak and he was going to fix it
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Be very careful of halfway seated bullets. It acts as a barrel obstruction and can blow the breach up in you face! >:(
Been there, done that. Glad I was wearing shooting glasses at the time. ;)
Knife
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True didn't think about that they came spitting sized to .250 probably should use a stronger breech I guess and get the bullets seated all the way
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Made a new breech out of aluminum
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New breech
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Removed the barrel and cut the leade deeper so the 59 gr slugs will seat all the way in now so there not sticking out part way any more
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Well I did some shooting with the 39 gr hollow points from 3000 psi to 2000 I used the 39 gr because I had a 100 of them and had to sight in some what . I'll say it's pretty accurate 50 yards 3 shot group all three touching and I'm not the greatest group shooter with out especially with out a good rest . This was with my hi Flo valve too
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First try of peek poppet for hi Flo valve
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Well I got the peek poppet together it's tapered to .240 so the spring will seat on to it and it goes up to .310 and the front is rounded that goes into the throat area and seals it is about .050 smaller than the original and should be smoother flow around it I would think
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The original poppet
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Talondor .250 with my hawke airmax 30