Ancient Chinese Philosopher: "One measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions."It's hard to quantify your power level by recoil/sound/feel. Get yourself a chronograph!
Have Pyramyd Air catalogs mailed to your neighbors, they may take a look and get educated
Quote from: Phoebe on February 25, 2024, 11:38:26 PMAncient Chinese Philosopher: "One measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions."It's hard to quantify your power level by recoil/sound/feel. Get yourself a chronograph!Phoebe--- Totally agree with that statement. I would say that my 95 is probably shooting at or close to max Vortex power levels though... Cocking effort is still high (that's GOOD in this case ) and the shot I made on that red squirrel was at a range finder measured 36 yards. So pretty sure the power is still there. The sad part is I DO HAVE a chronograph, I've just been too lazy to get it set up (that's BAD in this case) . I really need to get the proper lighting setup so I can easily use this in my basement with the airguns. It's a longer story about not using it with an outdoor setup in my "city dweller" environment/situation. Thing is, if any of my close neighbors got a look at me "trapesing" (is that a word?) around in my back yard toting the 95, or even worse, that new Gamo Hunter Extreme Pro I just picked up (with scopes on both, they look like "sniper rifles" to the uniformed, especially that Gamo because of that huge Fusion suppressor mounted up front) they would probably just freak out (GUN!!!!) and call the cops, and I just don't need THAT aggravation. I know were talking airguns here, and logic should prevail, BUT, I refer back to the aggravation part. At any rate--back to the chrono. Our own MikeyB has commented in these pages that he rigged something up he purchased from Amazon that worked great for indoor use. I need to revisit that thread and get busy on that. Or just don't be so cheap, and simply buy the "factory" lighting strips for the chrono (about $60).
Quote from: H95Kidd on February 26, 2024, 08:51:51 AMQuote from: Phoebe on February 25, 2024, 11:38:26 PMAncient Chinese Philosopher: "One measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions."It's hard to quantify your power level by recoil/sound/feel. Get yourself a chronograph!Phoebe--- Totally agree with that statement. I would say that my 95 is probably shooting at or close to max Vortex power levels though... Cocking effort is still high (that's GOOD in this case ) and the shot I made on that red squirrel was at a range finder measured 36 yards. So pretty sure the power is still there. The sad part is I DO HAVE a chronograph, I've just been too lazy to get it set up (that's BAD in this case) . I really need to get the proper lighting setup so I can easily use this in my basement with the airguns. It's a longer story about not using it with an outdoor setup in my "city dweller" environment/situation. Thing is, if any of my close neighbors got a look at me "trapesing" (is that a word?) around in my back yard toting the 95, or even worse, that new Gamo Hunter Extreme Pro I just picked up (with scopes on both, they look like "sniper rifles" to the uniformed, especially that Gamo because of that huge Fusion suppressor mounted up front) they would probably just freak out (GUN!!!!) and call the cops, and I just don't need THAT aggravation. I know were talking airguns here, and logic should prevail, BUT, I refer back to the aggravation part. At any rate--back to the chrono. Our own MikeyB has commented in these pages that he rigged something up he purchased from Amazon that worked great for indoor use. I need to revisit that thread and get busy on that. Or just don't be so cheap, and simply buy the "factory" lighting strips for the chrono (about $60). OK Folks, this will be an add-on the the above post. I decided to get the chrono out (I made a "stealth" outdoor setup, don't ask) and get some data for the review/scrutiny of the GTA brethren. Tested two pellets, the JSB 15.89 gr and the H&N Hornets 16.2 gr. Five shot strings for each. Also, I shot BOTH the Hatsan 95 Vortex AND my recently obtained Gamo Hunter Ext Pro. First up the Hatsan: JSB numbers are 743, 744, 746, 744, 748 for an average velocity of 745. H&N Hornets are 745, 742, 750, 742, 746 for an average of 745. Exactly the same average (745 fps) for BOTH pellets---VERY interesting.Now for the Gamo PRO: JSB numbers are 877, 877, 880, 877, 876 for an avg velocity of 877. H&N numbers are 855, 852, 849, 852, 850 for an avg of 849 fps. It was VERY interesting to me that the Hatsan shot BOTH pellets to the same exact avg velocity, while the Gamo "lost" about 28 fps with the H&N's. Not exactly sure WHAT to make of that.... Also, the Gamo did come through on power, easily running 105 -132fps faster overall than the Hatsan. OK experts--feel free to comment on any of the above. For Pheobe: Is the 95 making sufficient power for a Vortex gas ram?
Both the black and red squirrels were dispatched with a JSB Exact 15.89 gr pellet. For some reason, my 95 shoots these very accurately.
Quote from: H95Kidd on February 26, 2024, 04:04:32 PMQuote from: H95Kidd on February 26, 2024, 08:51:51 AMQuote from: Phoebe on February 25, 2024, 11:38:26 PMAncient Chinese Philosopher: "One measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions."It's hard to quantify your power level by recoil/sound/feel. Get yourself a chronograph!Phoebe--- Totally agree with that statement. I would say that my 95 is probably shooting at or close to max Vortex power levels though... Cocking effort is still high (that's GOOD in this case ) and the shot I made on that red squirrel was at a range finder measured 36 yards. So pretty sure the power is still there. The sad part is I DO HAVE a chronograph, I've just been too lazy to get it set up (that's BAD in this case) . I really need to get the proper lighting setup so I can easily use this in my basement with the airguns. It's a longer story about not using it with an outdoor setup in my "city dweller" environment/situation. Thing is, if any of my close neighbors got a look at me "trapesing" (is that a word?) around in my back yard toting the 95, or even worse, that new Gamo Hunter Extreme Pro I just picked up (with scopes on both, they look like "sniper rifles" to the uniformed, especially that Gamo because of that huge Fusion suppressor mounted up front) they would probably just freak out (GUN!!!!) and call the cops, and I just don't need THAT aggravation. I know were talking airguns here, and logic should prevail, BUT, I refer back to the aggravation part. At any rate--back to the chrono. Our own MikeyB has commented in these pages that he rigged something up he purchased from Amazon that worked great for indoor use. I need to revisit that thread and get busy on that. Or just don't be so cheap, and simply buy the "factory" lighting strips for the chrono (about $60). OK Folks, this will be an add-on the the above post. I decided to get the chrono out (I made a "stealth" outdoor setup, don't ask) and get some data for the review/scrutiny of the GTA brethren. Tested two pellets, the JSB 15.89 gr and the H&N Hornets 16.2 gr. Five shot strings for each. Also, I shot BOTH the Hatsan 95 Vortex AND my recently obtained Gamo Hunter Ext Pro. First up the Hatsan: JSB numbers are 743, 744, 746, 744, 748 for an average velocity of 745. H&N Hornets are 745, 742, 750, 742, 746 for an average of 745. Exactly the same average (745 fps) for BOTH pellets---VERY interesting.Now for the Gamo PRO: JSB numbers are 877, 877, 880, 877, 876 for an avg velocity of 877. H&N numbers are 855, 852, 849, 852, 850 for an avg of 849 fps. It was VERY interesting to me that the Hatsan shot BOTH pellets to the same exact avg velocity, while the Gamo "lost" about 28 fps with the H&N's. Not exactly sure WHAT to make of that.... Also, the Gamo did come through on power, easily running 105 -132fps faster overall than the Hatsan. OK experts--feel free to comment on any of the above. For Pheobe: Is the 95 making sufficient power for a Vortex gas ram?Mod95 is "in reality" a 21 (+/- 3) fpe air rifle. One should expect to see ~18fpe-24fpe. This is heavily dependent on factory tolerances, caliber, and pellet mass. IMO this is a NORMAL variance based on the cost & quality of these air rifles.Grains Velocity FPE15.89 745.00 19.6 mod95 (yours is fine!)16.20 745.00 20.0Gamo Pro, I think, is more of a MAGNUM springer and should be comparable to the Hatsan Mod125.Grains Velocity FPE15.89 877.00 27.1 gamo pro (nice!)16.20 849.00 25.9I don't own that Gamo but I have many Mod125 rifles. They are 31 (+/-3) fpe air rifles. One should expect to see ~28fpe-34fpe on a Mod125.The Gamo Pro should be compared to the Mod125.You may be able to get the Mod95 shooting 27+ fpe but it will be an unpleasant experience and will stress rifle parts beyond what the manufacturer designed/intended.
Quote from: H95Kidd on February 21, 2024, 04:05:46 PMBoth the black and red squirrels were dispatched with a JSB Exact 15.89 gr pellet. For some reason, my 95 shoots these very accurately. Well, the basic Exact is among the very best pellets ever produced, with exceptional energy-retaining ability downrange. I've done most of my amazing shots (relatively speaking, of course) with them, across several .22 cal springers. No mystery there.
Quote from: Toxylon on February 27, 2024, 07:59:23 AMQuote from: H95Kidd on February 21, 2024, 04:05:46 PMBoth the black and red squirrels were dispatched with a JSB Exact 15.89 gr pellet. For some reason, my 95 shoots these very accurately. Well, the basic Exact is among the very best pellets ever produced, with exceptional energy-retaining ability downrange. I've done most of my amazing shots (relatively speaking, of course) with them, across several .22 cal springers. No mystery there.Duke, I agree about the JSBs. Light enough for decent velocity, but heavy enough to carry good downrange energy. They certainly worked OK on my backyard groundhogs. Hardly an additional quiver after a headshot from the 95 Vortex. I do plan on dispatching any that show up this spring using the Gamo Hunter Ext. PRO. It does shoot quite a bit harder, as expected, than the 95 (19.6 ft lbs for the 95, versus 27.1 ft lbs for the Gamo using the 15.89 JSBs). Might as well take advantage of that additional power from the Gamo.
Quote from: H95Kidd on February 27, 2024, 09:17:29 AMQuote from: Toxylon on February 27, 2024, 07:59:23 AMQuote from: H95Kidd on February 21, 2024, 04:05:46 PMBoth the black and red squirrels were dispatched with a JSB Exact 15.89 gr pellet. For some reason, my 95 shoots these very accurately. Well, the basic Exact is among the very best pellets ever produced, with exceptional energy-retaining ability downrange. I've done most of my amazing shots (relatively speaking, of course) with them, across several .22 cal springers. No mystery there.Duke, I agree about the JSBs. Light enough for decent velocity, but heavy enough to carry good downrange energy. They certainly worked OK on my backyard groundhogs. Hardly an additional quiver after a headshot from the 95 Vortex. I do plan on dispatching any that show up this spring using the Gamo Hunter Ext. PRO. It does shoot quite a bit harder, as expected, than the 95 (19.6 ft lbs for the 95, versus 27.1 ft lbs for the Gamo using the 15.89 JSBs). Might as well take advantage of that additional power from the Gamo. Yeah, IF you can hit the groundhogs head with the Gammo???-Y
... do you have a thought about how the 95 shot BOTH pellets to the exact same velocity (745 fps), while the Gamo PRO "lost" about 28fps shooting the H&N's? That really didn't make sense to me regarding the 95. I realize the H&N's are about 0.31 gr heavier than the JSB's, so the fact that the Gamo shot the H&N's a bit slower actually DID make some sense. But that logic didn't seem to apply to the Hatsan 95. No biggie though--but sometimes the chrono makes us ask questions we normally wouldn't without access to the data. Generally I was quite impressed with how CONSISTENT both rifles were, shot-to-shot in terms of the extreme spreads in fps. Pretty amazing, although they were only five shot strings. Ten shots for each pellet would have probably been more desirable, and may have yielded a larger difference in ext. spread. I will do this (10 shots per pellet tested) going forward....