I had a very similar thread a while back.I am on my cell phone now but will put a link to it here for you when I am home.Lot of good input there.
Here it is Chris...https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=139012.There was also this one...PS, the AV10 used to be called the Gamo Compact before Air Venture got a hold of the sole distributorship.https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=106548
If you are willing to budget $500, sounds like you are semi-serious.Are you interested in serious competition or just to shoot 10m yourself ?There is nothing wrong with using plastic on an AP, if it is used in the right places.An all metal AP could result in a heavy AP and one that is very font-heavy balanced like the IZH46M.... Are you open to co2? You can get older co2 match pistols close to/around your budget.
Quote from: Hoosier Daddy on January 19, 2019, 12:26:59 AMHere it is Chris...https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=139012.There was also this one...PS, the AV10 used to be called the Gamo Compact before Air Venture got a hold of the sole distributorship.https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=106548I suspected the AV10 was a Gamo rebrand. It looked sneakily familiar!Thanks for the link to those threads, it really helped me a lot. I think I've got some good direction here.Quote from: ac12 on January 19, 2019, 12:11:10 AMIf you are willing to budget $500, sounds like you are semi-serious.Are you interested in serious competition or just to shoot 10m yourself ?There is nothing wrong with using plastic on an AP, if it is used in the right places.An all metal AP could result in a heavy AP and one that is very font-heavy balanced like the IZH46M.... Are you open to co2? You can get older co2 match pistols close to/around your budget.Regarding competition: I'd love to try but I don't know that there's anything around me for that and I couldn't get proper training in my area. There's some casual shoots nearby. I'd mostly just be trying to learn proper 10m competition shooting by myself in my back yard. This is why I'd like a "real" match pistol but why I'm not going crazy on a modern PCP option. If I get good with whatever I buy, then I'll look into PCP and maybe drop a pile of cash on one that can be heavily customized.I understand "plastic in the right places" but I just fear that plastic isn't durable enough. I've had a couple of airguns with plastic on them and it always worried me.At the moment, I think I've settled on the izzy. The weight seems like it would be a benefit to me rather than a problem and they seem easy enough to repair, maintain, and modify. I might have a lead on one when I decide to pull that trigger (ha! ).I don't know if I'm opposed to CO2 or not. The only CO2 guns I've had have been old BB guns and I'm trying to stay away from toys in my shooting (seems like the airgun market is flooded with toys). Some casual sifting through the forum here seems to give the impression that CO2 is generally frowned upon? Why is that? Do people just not like buying up small use cartridges? Is CO2 decent for a "real" match pistol? I'd consider it if it were a valid option.
Don't know your year 'round weather in Arkansas, but below 60 degrees CO2 isn't a good power supply. Here in Indiana my CO2's are used indoors from October until about April. But for a match shooting pistol, that's perfect for me. I like oddities, if I could find one of the old Alpha Proj CO2 pistols, for a low enough price, I'd be on it.Alpha Proj co2 pistol.
There are a couple AP books out there now, so you are better of than I was in the past with no AP books.Go to the Pilkington site and the forum TargetTalk.org, where some of the 10m guys hang out.There are postal matches, where you either mail in your targets, or just post your scores.Actually, you don't customize the match APs much if at all. The main thing that is done is to properly FIT the grip to your hand....CO2, bottles, etc.
There's a Morini 162E in our member classified $400 shipped. They're $1800 new.
Pumping a pistol with a hand pump would be a piece of cake. No bottles or compressors required.Hand pumps on ebay or amazon can be now had for $30-$40. When I got mine, $100 was CHEAP!Don't fear the "Darkside"... if you stay here long enough, resistance is futile.AND...We have Cookies!That said, My next pistol is going to be a Crosman 1701 Silhouette If you buy direct from Crosman and enter the discount code "AGNATION" for 25% off, it is $281.21. and that leaves a whole lotta funds for a hand pump and rear sight of your choice,Plus I am lucky enough to already have a set of thier Cocobolo grips from a previous build.
According to the Crosman sitehttps://www.crosman.com/1701p-silhouette-pcp-pistol-177"Shooting at velocities up to 450 fps, the 1701P is capable of 50 shots per fill."The number of shots is going to be a problem for standard competition, as a standard men's match is 60 shots + warm up. So you are going to have to stop to refill the pistol in the middle of the match, not good.The other potential problem is the bolt and William's sight.The pistol has to fit into a box to be legal. I am concerned about how far to the side the adjustment knobs on the sight, and the bolt stick out. It may fit, I just don't know.This also depends on how fussy the match organizers are to stick to ALL the rules. Some may be happy you showed up to shoot.
Chris - If you go the IZZY route, buy new from Krale. They go in and out of stock, but they are brand new and around $500 shipped (In stock as of this writing).https://www.krale.shop/en/baikal-mp-46m.htmlAnd for Gods sake whatever you do, don't buy one from eBay while Krale has them!! Saw a used 46M go for $680 today!Dennis
My "official" match ignorance was quite evident there, wasn't it. - I did not know of it having to fit in a "box" to be legal for official matches, but I guess that makes sense. I have never held a High end target pistol for size comparison.- Also did not realize 60 shots in a target set. Assumed it was 20 shots with a perfect score being 200 / 20-X"Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain!"
Quote from: ac12 on January 19, 2019, 08:45:19 PMAccording to the Crosman sitehttps://www.crosman.com/1701p-silhouette-pcp-pistol-177"Shooting at velocities up to 450 fps, the 1701P is capable of 50 shots per fill."The number of shots is going to be a problem for standard competition, as a standard men's match is 60 shots + warm up. So you are going to have to stop to refill the pistol in the middle of the match, not good.The other potential problem is the bolt and William's sight.The pistol has to fit into a box to be legal. I am concerned about how far to the side the adjustment knobs on the sight, and the bolt stick out. It may fit, I just don't know.This also depends on how fussy the match organizers are to stick to ALL the rules. Some may be happy you showed up to shoot.Wonderful info! Just how big is the box?
What's the legality of them shipping over here to trailerparkansas?