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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #20 on: October 31, 2011, 03:58:50 AM »
very interesting but how did they pump it and would have been better if he showed him firering the repro. and to get that many shots at such low pressure? i dont believe it because you cant get that out of todays guns. sorry to soind like a skeptic but i am. show mw and ill believe. he was nothing but words
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #21 on: December 12, 2011, 08:24:53 PM »
If any of you are ever in Lexington,  VA, go to the new firearms museum at Virginia Military Institute. They have at least half a dozen antique (read that from the 18th century and maybe before) airguns. I was there at Parents Weekend in October 2010. Most impressive place. Check it out if you get the chance.

The museum had just opened and the PB guns were awe inspiring too.
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #22 on: January 03, 2012, 12:04:35 AM »
Very interesting bit of history thanks for sharing .
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2012, 08:22:01 PM »
Yes great piece of history there.
If any of you from stateside are ever iin the UK then i recommend you spend a day at The Royal Armouries museum in Leeds,Yorkshire.
Its free admission and has a fantastic display of arms and armour and history of all kinds of weapons.
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #24 on: March 04, 2012, 10:09:55 AM »
If at the claimed psi of 800 and 40 shots, could it be that today's technology is over thought? Pushing a large caliber ball down a rifled barrel at low pressure and accurate at 100 yards may not seem feasible to us today but I see no reason for a historian to espouse BS for the sake of BS...I say it's an accurate account until proven otherwise and if it's so then I want to see a reproduction of that rifle available to the masses. Gives the big bore guys some bragging rights and pride of ownership. Maybe the Italians and Europeans were a tad more advanced than given credit for; as well, those are a lot of our roots.
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #25 on: April 24, 2012, 08:43:39 PM »
What amazes me is they did this without rubber or plastics for the seals. I guess they must use leather. The tank is removable too. Maybe you can carry extra tanks.



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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2012, 04:02:36 AM »
So thats what the condor used to look like back in the 1800s lol
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #27 on: June 25, 2012, 04:44:32 PM »
What amazes me is they did this without rubber or plastics for the seals. I guess they must use leather. The tank is removable too. Maybe you can carry extra tanks.





I read that the gunsmiths supplied three butt reservoirs with each rifle. They would use a bicycle-type pump to charge to 800 psi. It took 1,200 stroke to charge to 800 psi. Don't forget, the .46 ball was much larger in surface area than our "normal" pellets. Your force on the ball is "psi X surface area." An 800 psi force on a .50 sq inch is 400 lb force. An 800 psi on a 2 sq in surface is 1,600 lb force.
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2012, 10:50:30 PM »
I was surprised that air rifles were around at that time, but knew air powered weapons have been around since after the death of Christ.  The Romans had an air powered ballista (large crossbow) at the Roman fortress in Saalburg, Germany around 143a.d. for the defense of the fortress. Basically, 2 air pistons, one on each side, for the arms of the ballista. I saw it in 2009 when I visited friends in Germany.
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #29 on: October 01, 2012, 04:35:58 AM »
Here's a non airgun related correction to this video, towards the end of the video the guy says that Lewis and Clark camped on the Potomac.  they were camped at the mouth of the Columbia river.
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #30 on: October 14, 2012, 11:27:39 AM »
If this works, this is a pic of the ballitsa in the Roman fortress at Bad Homburg. In the lower right corner of the photo is the air powered ballista.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/blackdiamondimages/7758124854/#
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Re: PCP History Video 4 you Guys
« Reply #31 on: February 28, 2013, 05:00:32 PM »
I had read somewhere years ago that the pump they used was a foot pump, kinda like a bellows.

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« Reply #32 on: July 30, 2013, 06:11:20 PM »
 assume we are talking about the Girandoni system repeating air rifle that Lewis & Clark took on their journey across America and the territories? It is a fabulous piece of engineering achievement, actually used in some wars of that time period. Each "rifleman" received one air rifle, several tubes of balls, and 2 air reservoirs along with a small hand pump. In battle there would be a wagon nearby with a large pump to fill the partially discharged air reservoirs that runners would bring back and forth. It took over 1500 strokes of the hand pump to fill one air tank,something like that. I read somewhere Cimeron or one of those reproduction companies is thinking about making them if they can get the cost down. Lewis & Clark attribute that air rifle with having never had a serious fight with any indians during their trip across country.
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« Reply #33 on: September 15, 2013, 02:39:13 PM »
Not sure what happened to the OP but I saw this on American Airgunner last week.(no link yet for that) Pretty cool.
More info I found.
http://www.beemans.net/lewis-assault-rifle.htm
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