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Author Topic: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?  (Read 11414 times))

Offline Tpatner412

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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #40 on: April 19, 2013, 08:41:22 PM »
You've been given a lot of good advice and instead of listening and responding positively you have turned this into some kind of arguement. Completely unnecessary. You are making what could have been a positive thread for yourself and others into nothing more than a petty arguement over your personal pride.

Why you would ask a question and then ignore the answers given to you is beyond me....why even ask in the first place? 
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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #41 on: April 19, 2013, 08:45:51 PM »


Here's a hypothetical test concerning spring fatigue:

A BB is .177" in diameter and weighs 5.1 grains.

My R-7 barrel is 13.5" long.  13.5/.177=76, the number of BB's that I can roll down the barrel of my new Beeman R-7 Air Rifle, minus the length of a seated 10.5 grain pellet, or about 74 BB's total, right up to the muzzle.

The weight of the BB charge plus the Pellet is 74 x 5.1, or 377.4  grains, plus the pellet's 10.5 grains, for a total projectile weight of 387.9 grains.

I will fire this load at a slight upward angle, so the BB's won't roll out of the barrel.

If the spring doesn't break, then I never have to be concerned about heavy pellets again. 

If the spring DOES break, then what better excuse than to have Steve install a Gas Piston for me, with never a worry about broken springs again!

So you see...either way, I'm a Winner!

Cheers,
HOWL


Doing your test once will most likely not break the spring. I am not saying it not going to hurt your gun.

Do your test 200 or 500 times to see if the spring will break. Nobody has say one shot with a heavy pellet will break the spring. 

By the way gas piston will break also. Yes, they will usually last longer than a spring.

Do your test and let the rest of us know the out come.
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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #42 on: April 19, 2013, 08:54:25 PM »
 
Good point, Tyler!

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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #43 on: April 19, 2013, 08:55:17 PM »

Cool it, Al!

Coming out on top of a discussion is something I always strive for whether right or wrong...it's more of a game than anything else!

Like a Politician, my logic doesn't have to be sound...I just have to be disarming, shocking, and witty, which I usually am!

Cheers, and have a beer on me!

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Hal,
Lets just say these sparring matches you all too frequently post are seen as VERY CHILDISH Behavior.
Frankly if your ego is SO large that your intent is to just get reaction from other members just so you can poke fun, disagree and then trot off on your high horse feeling like its just a Big Game .... I can pretty much guarantee your time here as a GTA member is limited.

The conduct your exorcising is whats called TROLLING.
Let me share the link to this Internet term for you.
Suggest you rear it and catch a clue on what your doing ...  http://us.yhs4.search.yahoo.com/r/_ylt=A0oGdN3J2HFR7nEAf34PxQt.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWgwN285BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMQRjb2xvA3NrMQR2dGlkAw--/SIG=121900pj0/EXP=1366444361/**http%3a//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet)
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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #44 on: April 19, 2013, 08:58:15 PM »
 
HEY GLENN:

Didn't I say at the outset that the test was HYPOTHETICAL?

Re-read my post, Sir!

Of course I wouldn't do such a ridiculous thing!

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« Last Edit: April 19, 2013, 09:06:31 PM by Hal the Elder »
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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #45 on: April 19, 2013, 09:05:24 PM »
 
HEY SCOTT, 

Yep, that's exactly the reason I was banned from two previous Airgun Forums, two Astronomy Forums, and a Classical Music Forum!

I know I'm coming to the end of my stay here, but at least I've made some acquaintances.

Well, have a good Mothers Day anyway!

HOWL
« Last Edit: April 19, 2013, 09:08:06 PM by Hal the Elder »
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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #46 on: April 19, 2013, 09:06:48 PM »
Just a quick basic rundown for those who are new like Arktikos and looking at this thread confused. The rest of ya already know it. I'll try to separate opinion from fact. Feel free to straighten out any errors.




Thanks Paul68 and the others for taking the time out to explain how it all is supposed to work. I'm learning a lot here!  :) I didn't think about the connection with finding the optimal FPE for the most efficiency and thus the least strain on the spring, but instead of just thinking about FPS as well as pellet weight, but not tying the two together.. Too bad these rifles are not sold with FPE ratings.. I invested a fair bit into my new RWS and I really watch what I buy and try to get the most out of it and intend to take care of it to enjoy for years. It would make me sick to ruin something just out of ignorance. I'm so new at this, but very interested to be learning, and how much of this stuff has similarities to what occurs with cast bullet loads shot out of firearms. I can see my chrony isn't going to get any rest just because I am shooting with air instead of powder!

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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #47 on: April 19, 2013, 09:09:09 PM »


If the spring DOES break, then what better excuse than to have Steve install a Gas Piston for me, with never a worry about broken springs again!

So you see...either way, I'm a Winner!

Cheers,
HOWL

Hal, the last two lines of your post implies you are going to do the test or at least that you are thinking of it.
Glenn
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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #48 on: April 19, 2013, 09:15:20 PM »
This thread has become unproductive thanks to Howl.
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Re: HEAVY .177 Pellets.....Your Choice?
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2013, 09:15:56 PM »

HEY SCOTT, 

Yep, that's exactly the reason I was banned from two previous Airgun Forums, two Astronomy Forums, and a Classical Music Forum!

I know I'm coming to the end of my stay here, but at least I've made some acquaintances.

Well, have a good Mothers Day anyway!

HOWL

Hal,
It truly sadden me, it really does that ones gained wisdom with age is so freely discarded.  If your so determined too self destruction tendencies needing to use internet forums as the stage for this activity, Have at it elsewhere because in your own words ....  quoted above
Destiny in at your door.

Best of luck and Regards,
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