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Adam L.
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Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 01, 2021, 09:24:51 PM »
So i got these two airguns today at a sale, Paid $75 for the both plus a box of super old .22 pellets.
The first one i am pretty sure is a Crossman Model 102 since its a .22 with feed tube says the pat is from Oct, 28 1924
Seems to be missing a cam plate for the reloading mech and seems to have a leak or stuck valve as when i pump it hisses out from the chamber.
The other i am not sure seems to be around the same time as it uses a similer cocking mech but has no markings on it. Also the trigger is vary basic seeming....
Seems to be a .177 cal.
Looking for any other info on these, also looking for the cam plate for the first one....
Pictures of what i think is the 102:
Pictures of the other rifle:
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Hatsan BT65SB QE | .25
Gamo "Bone Collector" Bull Whisper | .177
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Re: Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 02, 2021, 12:47:56 AM »
The first one is a 102 if it is 22 cal.. Did you pull back on the cocking knob before pumping?
The second gun looks to me to be a Rochester.
Pat
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Adam L.
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Real Name: Adam
Re: Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 02, 2021, 09:53:59 AM »
Thank you for replying, The 102 is a .22 and if i pull the cocking thing before pumping there is a LOT more hissing, well more like its just pushing the air out.... O-ring maybe?
The other DOES look to be a Rochester! Thank you was so hard trying to figure out what it was!
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Geneva, New York
Hatsan BT65SB QE | .25
Gamo "Bone Collector" Bull Whisper | .177
Crossman DPMS
(x2) Crossman 357 | .177 | 2", 4", 6"
Air Courtesy Of:
Yong Heng 110V 4500PSI "Set Pressure" Compressor
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Re: Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 02, 2021, 11:05:06 AM »
Adam, it was no problem. I have had a dozen of The Crosman 100 series guns. All of them except the 103 and the CG. I think they are great.
The 102 has mostly flat seals. Not super hard to work on if you have the tools to remove the seals.
There are several folks around that will reseal it for you. Try Rick Wellnecker at Precision Pellets for parts of repairs.
The Rochester is basically a copy of the Crosman 100 series but from what I have read is harder to work on. I have never had one so cannot speak from experience.
Probably worth spending either the time and effort to reseal yourself or the money to have it done professionally.
Pat
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Re: Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 03, 2021, 09:25:40 PM »
The 102 also appears that it may be a pre-war model as the pellet loading mechanism looks to be made of steel and not brass which is found on post war versions. I did not notice any checkering on the stock which was found on the early models (1927-1930). I could not tell if the forearm was wood or rubber. The rubber forearm was introduced as the "Clickless" version in about 1938. However, wood forearms were also produced as well.
I have been researching the Rochester rifles in hopes of finding one in the future. Based on my initial research the Rochester can be challenge to reseal due to the pump tube being solderd to the air chamber. However, this can be overcome with Teflon tape during a reseal.
Rick at Precision Pellets is a wealth of knowledge when it comes to these great old rifles.
Again great rifles.
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Montana, USA
.177:
2 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78); (80/81);R7 Santa Rosa; HW77 (1984); BSF 55N; BSF 35; BSF S60; Crosman 100 – 1948 x 2; 113 - 50-55; 147 BP - 1968; Diana Model 25A 20's-30’s; EM-GE Krone DRGM 1936; Feinwerkbau Sport; B3-1; Marksman 70; Colt Commander; Weihrauch HW55MM; Winchester XSU 1100
.20:
Beeman R1 Santa Rosa; Sheridan Model C “BS” (52/53); Model C "SS” (53/54)
.22:
Beeman San Rafael FWB 127 Sport; Benjamin 132 1946; 312 - 40's; 312 - 1956; Crosman Model 99 X 2; 101 – 1930-38 Disc Logo; 101 - 1925-29 Straight Logo X 4; 102 - 1929 Checkered Stocks x 3; 114 - 1950-55; 140 1st var thumb cock; 140 2nd Var; 120; 362; 362 - 100 year Anniversary Edition; 1322 Phase II; Diana 34 T06; 35; Falke Model 70; Hatsan Model 95; Haenel Model III DRP 10/1927; Model I DRP 1-12-1935; Rochester - DT Fletcher; Ruger Impact Max Elite; Sig Sauer ASP20; S & W 77A ; Winchester 427
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Hatsan Model 125 Sniper
c801tfd
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Re: Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 04, 2021, 09:23:26 AM »
I missed in my description oh the 140, 1400 comparison- outward appearance the S&W 77A share similar design lines. The 140 and 1400 are not lever actions like the 77A.
However they do share the same flat top piston design found in many crosman rifles including the 101, 102, 140 and 1400 and may have some other parts/seals that are similar
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Montana, USA
.177:
2 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78); (80/81);R7 Santa Rosa; HW77 (1984); BSF 55N; BSF 35; BSF S60; Crosman 100 – 1948 x 2; 113 - 50-55; 147 BP - 1968; Diana Model 25A 20's-30’s; EM-GE Krone DRGM 1936; Feinwerkbau Sport; B3-1; Marksman 70; Colt Commander; Weihrauch HW55MM; Winchester XSU 1100
.20:
Beeman R1 Santa Rosa; Sheridan Model C “BS” (52/53); Model C "SS” (53/54)
.22:
Beeman San Rafael FWB 127 Sport; Benjamin 132 1946; 312 - 40's; 312 - 1956; Crosman Model 99 X 2; 101 – 1930-38 Disc Logo; 101 - 1925-29 Straight Logo X 4; 102 - 1929 Checkered Stocks x 3; 114 - 1950-55; 140 1st var thumb cock; 140 2nd Var; 120; 362; 362 - 100 year Anniversary Edition; 1322 Phase II; Diana 34 T06; 35; Falke Model 70; Hatsan Model 95; Haenel Model III DRP 10/1927; Model I DRP 1-12-1935; Rochester - DT Fletcher; Ruger Impact Max Elite; Sig Sauer ASP20; S & W 77A ; Winchester 427
.25:
Hatsan Model 125 Sniper
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Re: Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 04, 2021, 12:20:45 PM »
Moving to the Vintage Gate.
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Re: Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 04, 2021, 02:59:58 PM »
The second gun is definitely a Rochester. Mine has the name and address stamped on the barrel. The serial number is on the front of the receiver, hidden by the pump lever at rest.
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c801tfd
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Re: Looking for information on two old Crossmans, One looks to be a Model Model 102
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May 04, 2021, 04:02:02 PM »
Disregard my post on the S&W 77A it was for a different discussion topic about vintage pumpers
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Montana, USA
.177:
2 Beeman San Rafael FWB 124 Sport Deluxe JNC Stamp (77/78); (80/81);R7 Santa Rosa; HW77 (1984); BSF 55N; BSF 35; BSF S60; Crosman 100 – 1948 x 2; 113 - 50-55; 147 BP - 1968; Diana Model 25A 20's-30’s; EM-GE Krone DRGM 1936; Feinwerkbau Sport; B3-1; Marksman 70; Colt Commander; Weihrauch HW55MM; Winchester XSU 1100
.20:
Beeman R1 Santa Rosa; Sheridan Model C “BS” (52/53); Model C "SS” (53/54)
.22:
Beeman San Rafael FWB 127 Sport; Benjamin 132 1946; 312 - 40's; 312 - 1956; Crosman Model 99 X 2; 101 – 1930-38 Disc Logo; 101 - 1925-29 Straight Logo X 4; 102 - 1929 Checkered Stocks x 3; 114 - 1950-55; 140 1st var thumb cock; 140 2nd Var; 120; 362; 362 - 100 year Anniversary Edition; 1322 Phase II; Diana 34 T06; 35; Falke Model 70; Hatsan Model 95; Haenel Model III DRP 10/1927; Model I DRP 1-12-1935; Rochester - DT Fletcher; Ruger Impact Max Elite; Sig Sauer ASP20; S & W 77A ; Winchester 427
.25:
Hatsan Model 125 Sniper
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