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ER00z
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March 05, 2021, 10:37:30 AM »
I have three Hatsan Alpha's. I find they are highly underrated. One is scoped, one has a weighted stock and the last is in the box waiting to be tinkered with.
I was planning on smoothing out a bit. I'm familiar with the quattro trigger, but not the basic trigger used by Hatsan. Any input on their single stage trigger would be a big help. I just couldn't find any information, and before I tear into it a little info would be appreciated.
As a bit if other information, the first Alpha I received years ago has a very tight bore and is really accurate. The barrel tapers from thick to a bit thinner by the muzzle. The newer ones don't taper down, but are thicker, almost like a bull barrel. Still accurate, but seems to prefer domed pellets, and doesn't need a pellet seater like the tight barrel. On a calm day, both can reach out past 50 yards accurately, but with a lot of drop. These guns were bought directly from Hatsan, intended for informal friends and family target shooting. They were cheap and easy enough for younger shooters to use. Surprisingly adults can still shoulder an shoot without being overly cramped.
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SteveP-52
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Re: Hatsan Alpha questions
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March 05, 2021, 09:14:51 PM »
One Hatsan rifle I've never owned sooo....
Is this the same trigger your Alpha has??
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Re: Hatsan Alpha questions
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March 06, 2021, 01:02:01 AM »
Yes, I believe so. Same as the older striker, I believe. Does it come out in one piece? And does it have to be "set" like the Quattro when putting back together? Thanks in advance.
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March 07, 2021, 10:54:21 AM »
OK...big if here having never seen the Alpha...lol. Receiver from one of my Edge rifles. If they're the same thing and the only difference is the Alpha having a way less powerful spring in it, there will be fins on the trigger pack that slide in underneath where the 2 blue arrows are pointing and the tab on the back is for the lug bolt that holds the trigger pack in place and has internal threading for the rear stock screw.
Take that lug bolt out and the entire trigger pack should just slide/wiggle out. Watch because there should be a small plastic block between that lug and the back side of the trigger pack and it's there to keep the pack from sliding backwards.
As far as "setting" the trigger when you go to reinstall, use a zip tie or similar to hold that lower sear up and out of the way until the pack is back in place and bolted back down. Once it is, take the zip tie off and that lower sear will drop down where it needs to be. That tongue at the tip has to be ON TOP of the cross piece the red arrow is pointing to or you won't be able to cock the rifle.
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Re: Hatsan Alpha questions
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March 07, 2021, 12:05:10 PM »
What Steve said... +
This thread made me curious so last night I pulled my old closeout Alpha ($35 HarvestMoon Camo) from storage and had a look inside. Keep in mind that this was just after working on my Mod135 springer. I blurted out loud "Oh HOW CUTE! Teeny tiny little piston and spring."
Seriously though, the (old) Alpha is an EXCELLENT youth springer or low power adult basement plinker. Overall, the rifle is basically a miniature Edge rifle. Biggest difference, other than size, is the 2-piece cocking link. That actually makes working on the rifle EASIER IMO. Just don't lose the little plastic "U" spacer/glider and roller-guide. You'll know what I'm referring to when they fall on the floor as you disassemble the rifle!
I re-chronographed it last night at ~480 fps with CPHP pellets. This rifle only had about a 100 pellets through it. After a couple warmup shots I made several dime size 10 shot groups at 30' using the open sights. The cocking effort and recoils are so light, I think ANY scope should survive quite nicely on this little springer. For my intended use the open sights are just fine.
The trigger group looks identical to the Edge/Striker series rifles. Initially the trigger pull was long and creepy with an uncertain left-off point. I had added a slightly longer trigger adjustment screw and wound a lighter trigger blade spring to get a long LIGHT first stage followed by a well defined short crisp second stage @ 2.5 lbs that I prefer in all my springers.
What a fun little air rifle!
I believe Hatsan has redesigned the Alpha to be more like a miniature version of the Airtact. See Alpha verses Alpha Youth QE on their website. I HAVE a couple Airtact rifles and they shoot just fine like the Edge/Striker rifles they are descended from. I cannot specifically point to anything BAD in the Airtact design, I'm just not impressed by them and am NOT a fan of the series. IMO Hatsan took the Edge design, removed as much steel as they possibly could, and replaced it with plastic. I'm certain this is a more profitable rifle version for Hatsan, but I prefer more steel than plastic in my air rifles. YMMV
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Re: Hatsan Alpha questions
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March 07, 2021, 03:04:26 PM »
Thanks for the replies. Hatsan rifles tend to make me cuss when working on them. Thanks for the tips, I think less swearing will be involved this time. Haha.
I don't like the looks of the QE version of the Alpha, but haven't tried it either. I just noticed the minor differences in the base model. They're a solid little rifle though. Very fun for plinking/target practice.
Honestly, I've used spring oil in one and my concoction similar to "Tune in a tube" in the other. I wanted to do a proper lube tune on the third and compare. The other two smoothed out nicely, but want to see If it can get better with proper lubes.
Thank you for helping, take it easy.
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Re: Hatsan Alpha questions
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March 09, 2021, 01:09:08 PM »
I bught a new older design Slpha for $42 from Amazon maybe a year ago. I like it pretty well. I scped it because my 67 year old eyes don't work on open sights anymore. I'm not a good break barrel shooter. But the Alpha being a 500 fps springer, at least doesn't make as much commotion as a magnum level springer, so I shoot it more. It seems to like RWS Basics. A bargain for $42. Hatsan has redesigned the Alpha, and I like the older model better.
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Re: Hatsan Alpha questions
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March 09, 2021, 03:16:11 PM »
Birdmove, thanks for sharing. The first one I purchased had the stock filled with silicone and old steel shot. Kind of heavy, But very stable during shot cycle. Not that it wasn't before, but even more so now. When scoped, crosshairs stay on target, even at higher magnification.
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Re: Hatsan Alpha questions
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March 09, 2021, 03:52:32 PM »
The triggers in the older ones (like I posted a pic of above) are fairly easy to make tweaks to and quite a bit has been written here about them and are a clone of the older style Gamo triggers.
Behind the trigger you'll find a small phillips head screw. It's metric and an M3x5. You can get a bit more adjustability by changing it out for an M3x8 or M3x10, both of which should be available at either your local Ace or Valu in the hardware aisle and cost maybe .25 cents. I got them with allen heads to make adjusting easier since it's way easier sliding an allen wrench in there once the rifle is back together than it is a phillips head screw driver. Screw it all the way in, then back it out a full turn and a half then start testing. Cock, load, shoot in a safe direction. If you decide to adjust, repeat only bump test by smacking the butt of the rifle on the ground 4 or 5 times with the muzzle pointed in a safe direction to make sure the rifle won't go off by itself. If you don't like the curve of it, it's easily fixed by pulling the trigger, bending it straighter and cutting a 1/4 inch or so off the bottom. Just keep trimming until you like it. Advice from a fellow member who did his that way was once done, put a piece of shrink wrap or even 2 over it to soften things a bit.
Look behind the trigger itself and you should see a spring end and that spring is what pushes the trigger back out after you fire. Couple easy ways to shorten that push, one being just bend the end of that spring backwards a little bit. You could also get a long enough grub screw, drill a hole in the trigger and screw it in. The grub screw pushes the spring end back and set up that way, you could easily adjust that "first" stage any time you want. A third (and I've never tried it) is to make your own spring out of lighter wire. I think both LtDan and mikeyb have done it that way and could suggest what to get or if memory serves, the older Crosman triggers use a spring the same basic style that's already made of lighter weight wire and would just need installed.
Pic of where the above mentioned screw sits behind that trigger should you want to try, just be careful and take your time adjusting. Also a before and after pic of the trigger straightened although I don't remember where it came from to give proper credit for it.
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Re: Hatsan Alpha questions
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April 03, 2021, 03:47:54 PM »
Been shooting my Alpha more and more. I'm really liking this little Springer. For now, I've settled on the 7.4 grain pointed hunter pellets. I have about five of the ones sold in the 1250 round little milk cabins. I'm shooting at 7-8 yards, as that's the distance I go after rats at night in our chicken coop. No artillery hold needed. The last 3 groups I shot yesterday were 1/4" to 5/16". Shot a heavy duty tin can and surprised the Alpha with that Hunter pellet made it through both sides of the can! It won't do that with wadcutters. I have a hard shooting Crosman Phantom, but it's a loud monster, so I don't shoot it much.
I had to remove the front sight, as it interfered with the view from my scope on the Alpha.
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