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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #20 on: February 27, 2021, 05:10:32 PM »
Fact.. everyone is being lied to.
Fact.. no one is forced to read these threads  if the topic is bound to give you child like fits over what another person said concerning their beliefs and their 1st hand experiences
That is actually what I was referring to when I mentioned the other thread being derailed...
One person was sharing their first-hand experience; and others took it over with those child-like fits that you describe... ;)
This is turning into the "you sound angry" argument, LOL...
But; you do have a point-nobody has to read it. 
Carry on;
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #21 on: February 27, 2021, 05:14:28 PM »
+1,... stay within the rules and all should be good/allowed.

Divisive as what it may be,.. good to see opinions and links so that we can dig a bit further and come to our own conclusion. Personally I like the discussion and links. A whole lot of information in one place,.. which is better than searching all around the net and coming up with who knows what.

Still,.. it is tuff to know what to believe. That is an honest opinion.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, Chris. I will say this. I'm a member of a social media news group (not facebook or twitter, btw). At that newsgroup, I have 3K followers.

They follow me because I post 100% real news. Just the facts. The truth. They trust me to post whats real. They know I am not going to lie to them.

Does that mean that everyone at that news group who doesn't follow me trusts me? Or, likes me? No, of course not. Some of them really hate me.

Yeah, its tough to know what to believe. Especially w/ the MSM now claiming 500,000 people have died from Covid.

Problem is, that number includes people that tested positive, but fell down a flight of stairs, choked on a chicken sandwich, got hit by a bus...

Dawn Wells (Mary Ann on Gilligan's Island) passed away at the age of 82. Cause Of Death was Covid.

In a normal year, the flu causes 60-80,000 deaths.There was hardly any flu this past year. Almost 0 deaths from the flu.

Has Covid killed off the flu? Experts pose the intriguing question as influenza cases nosedive by 98% across the globe
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8875201/Has-Covid-killed-flu.html

Of course the flu hasn't gone away. It just has a new name now, as does pneumonia. Care to take a wild guess as to what the new generic name is?

.Here’s how the media is misreporting COVID-19’s death toll in America
https://nypost.com/2020/10/17/how-the-media-is-misreporting-covid-19s-death-toll-in-america/

I don't wear a mask and will never wear a mask, Chris. Nor will I ever get the jab.

Ask me how many times I've had 'covid' this past year? Or, the flu. Or, even a cold.
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #22 on: February 27, 2021, 06:00:39 PM »
Longbob,

Well, it is tuff to know that what you, or I, or (anyone) pulls up is in fact a fact and not manipulation of some sort. If I search something,.. how do I know that what I am looking for has not been buried 10 pages down? Or,.. has not be deleted entirely? Am I being steered in one direction? What happens when the other half of the story no longer exists? Erased? Canceled?

You know what I am talking about and so do many others. No politics. None. Really,.... it is getting really hard to trust anything or anyone (opinion? facts?) and that is (exactly) why this thread (and others similar) carry on the way they do. Can anyone really trust a search anymore? Simple as that. That is the question.

I applaud all who have the tenacity to do endless digging. Me? I am a bit tired of it all and still do not know what to believe despite each side presenting their so called facts.

In the end, I appreciate the open and respectful discussion to look at any and all sides of a topic.
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #23 on: February 27, 2021, 06:03:17 PM »
Fact.. everyone is being lied to.
Fact.. no one is forced to read these threads  if the topic is bound to give you child like fits over what another person said concerning their beliefs and their 1st hand experiences

The President of Tanzania didn't like being lied to either. He used the Covid 19 test on a goat, a papaya, and a quart of used motor oil. The goat and papaya tested positive for the virus. The motor oil came out negative. I've been wondering what the test result might have been had they used a fresh quart of motor oil instead of a used quart.

Tanzania: Testing kits report goat, papaya Covid-19 positive, presidential probe ordered
https://www.msn.com/en-in/news/world/tanzania-testing-kits-report-goat-papaya-covid-19-postive-presidential-probe-ordered/ar-BB13Aplf

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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #24 on: February 27, 2021, 06:17:22 PM »
Chris, Have you read the article that is the subject of the OP?

It's a LONG read, but well worth the time spent. Plus many of the statements are backed up w/ hyperlinks to where the info was obtained. Were I you, I'd bookmark it for future reference.

Here's another link for it.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-risk-benefit-analysis/5738270

The hyperlinks at that website are more obvious than the link used in the OP.
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #25 on: February 27, 2021, 06:23:46 PM »
quote author=Longbob
Quote from: Artie on Today at 03:46:22 PM
Depends on intent. There is a difference between provocative discussion and a discussion intended to provoke. The former benefits the group while the latter is disruptive and unproductive.

I'm trying to save lives and ensure the future health & safety of my fellow GTA members. I'm sorry you feel this thread is the latter rather than the former.
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I'm unclear who "you" refers to Robert. Hopefully not me because personally I have no emotional attachment to the topic one way or the other and am indifferent to the controversey of covid related so called "news".  Water under the bridge. I do enjoy information gathering and listening to points of view.
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #26 on: February 27, 2021, 06:27:09 PM »
Found 1,095 cases where Vaccine targets COVID-19 and the Patient Died

https://www.medalerts.org/vaersdb/findfield.php?EVENTS=on&PAGENO=91&PERPAGE=10&ESORT=&REVERSESORT=&VAX=(COVID19)&VAXTYPES=(COVID-19)&DIED=Yes

100 pages of people w/ underlying conditions dying right after they get the vaccine.

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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #27 on: February 27, 2021, 06:38:15 PM »
Chris, Have you read the article that is the subject of the OP?

It's a LONG read, but well worth the time spent. Plus many of the statements are backed up w/ hyperlinks to where the info was obtained. Were I you, I'd bookmark it for future reference.

Here's another link for it.

https://www.globalresearch.ca/synthetic-mrna-covid-vaccines-risk-benefit-analysis/5738270

The hyperlinks at that website are more obvious than the link used in the OP.

To be honest, I have not. I assume,.. we,.. as a bunch here,.. are not a bunch of blithering idiots and can thus make intelligent statements (with or without links). [I start from that.] What I do see is people firmly on both sides. How does that happen? Where does that come from? How is that possible? Is a fact not a fact? What is skewed? What is not?

Thus my original question as to what can you trust (in a search) these days?
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #28 on: February 27, 2021, 06:44:40 PM »
CDC: 929 Dead 15,923 Injured Reported Following Experimental mRNA COVID Injections

https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/cdc-929-dead-15923-injured-reported-following-experimental-mrna-covid-injections/

The CDC has done another data dump today into the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS), a U.S. Government funded database that tracks injuries and deaths caused by vaccines.

The data goes through February 12, 2021, with 15,923 recorded adverse events, including 929 deaths following injections of the experimental COVID mRNA shots by Pfizer and Moderna.

Besides the recorded 929 deaths, there were 3451 visits to Emergency Room doctors, 316 permanent disabilities, and 1869 hospitalizations.
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #29 on: February 27, 2021, 07:22:23 PM »
Top doctor sparks row with claim virus 'no longer exists' in Italy
https://news.yahoo.com/top-italian-doctors-claim-virus-no-longer-exists-090145986.html

Global experts go head-to-head over claims the coronavirus ‘no longer exists clinically’
https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/02/claim-coronavirus-no-longer-exists-provokes-controversy.html

CDC admits COVID-19 ‘positive result’ just means you’ve previously contracted the “common cold”
https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/cdc-admits-covid-19-positive-result-just-means-youve-previously-contracted-the-common-cold/270529

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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #30 on: February 27, 2021, 07:26:00 PM »
To be honest, I have not. I assume,.. we,.. as a bunch here,.. are not a bunch of blithering idiots and can thus make intelligent statements (with or without links). [I start from that.] What I do see is people firmly on both sides. How does that happen? Where does that come from? How is that possible? Is a fact not a fact? What is skewed? What is not?

Thus my original question as to what can you trust (in a search) these days?

Doesn't help much when the official 'experts' keep flip flopping.

FAUCI SAYS CDC MAY REQUIRE WEARING TWO MASKS TO FIGHT VIRUS

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1356618131490435074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1356618131490435074%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4700987/pg1

Oh really?
CDC Study: Face Masks Don't Work.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

And Dr. Fauci agrees:


And the Surgeon General agrees as well:
https://imgur.com/BMxloj1
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #31 on: February 27, 2021, 08:10:11 PM »
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Sticking to the facts?  Very few deaths according to Fox News, eh Don? 929 reported deaths from the vax isn't exactly a few deaths.

Oh and btw? Fox can claim its 500,000 all they want to. Since we're sticking to the facts and all....
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #32 on: February 27, 2021, 08:59:30 PM »
Question how many millions of shots have been given vs the 900 deaths from a reaction to the injection you are fortunate to be among the group with the highest expectation of survival of the Covid 19 virus. At the end of the day whether you receive the vaccine or abstain, it is not mandated so to vacinate of not is still a personal choice

Oh, its a lot more than 900 deaths, Don. That was just one link.

CDC WITHOLDING INFORMATION! 1,170 DEAD Following COVID Injections: Almost Twice as Many Deaths as Found in VAERS
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/cdc-witholding-information-1170-dead-following-covid-injections-almost-twice-as-many-deaths-as-found-in-vaers/

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #33 on: February 27, 2021, 09:06:36 PM »
International Alert Message about COVID-19. United Health Professionals
The lockdown « a global scientific fraud of unprecedented proportions »
https://www.globalresearch.ca/international-alert-message-about-covid-19-united-health-professionals/5737680

We bring to the attention of our readers, this important international statement by health professionals, medical doctors and scientists,  which has been sent to the governments of thirty countries. See here for list of governments to which the letter was sent.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VGiArDJQC7KXjzWv0j9F5R5ONf20nsQK/view

Below is the complete text which was sent to the governments.

Link to original document: Very Urgent : International Alert message about COVID-19
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1oztJ-gAVd1fvSrmAfObb1tBdIbNGh5v7/view

The text includes quotations from prominent scholars and health professionals
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #34 on: February 27, 2021, 09:46:34 PM »
Hmm, hard to keep up with this stuff...let me target a few claims cited so far to emphasize the need for caution about information and conclusions. One can't just pounce on anything as proof of what others told you.

...
CDC admits COVID-19 ‘positive result’ just means you’ve previously contracted the “common cold”
https://fromthetrenchesworldreport.com/cdc-admits-covid-19-positive-result-just-means-youve-previously-contracted-the-common-cold/270529

This one is particularly noxious because of the highly suspect and divisive post it cites. While the link above includes a link to the CDC statements (more on that in a moment), the tweet it sources isn't a hyper link. However, it is easy to get to and does indeed make the claim. But, it also shows a screen shot of the supposed CDC statement with the "common cold" comment circled. Looks convincing? Well, yes, except that if you go to the actual statement by following the link to the CDC you get a different statement, which admits that a positive antibody test is not conclusive of COVID and that other tests should be used to whether or not COVID was the reason for the positive. Which suggests either the tweet is a fabrication or the CDC has revised a comment. Given the reliability of tweeted information, I'll conclude other information from fromthetrenchesworldreport.com is highly suspect.

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Doesn't help much when the official 'experts' keep flip flopping.

FAUCI SAYS CDC MAY REQUIRE WEARING TWO MASKS TO FIGHT VIRUS

https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1356618131490435074?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1356618131490435074%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message4700987/pg1

Oh really?
CDC Study: Face Masks Don't Work.
https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/26/5/19-0994_article

And Dr. Fauci agrees:


And the Surgeon General agrees as well:
https://imgur.com/BMxloj1

Discounting the screen shot of a year old tweet (last link), the first link is just simply copying a headline that was news earlier this month (more on that in a moment). Is there a contradiction with previous policy? Not really.

The Youtube video is from February 2020 (a year ago folks, when this was still an really new problem!) and though Fauci initially plays down the wearing of masks in public, we get the context of his position at the end: save the supplies for front-line workers.

Likewise, the link to the "CDC study" is not an announcement from the CDC, but simply a May 2020 paper from a group in Hong Kong in the Emerging Infectious Disease journal on the CDC website. Like any journal, papers and studies are posted and go into the body of knowledge. Some turn out to be good stuff and some don't. It does not necessarily reflect the position of the CDC. In fact, if you go to the journal, you will find this article in the forthcoming April 2021 journal, which in fact shows masks work:

https://wwwnc.cdc.gov/eid/article/27/4/20-4800_article

So, as of February of this year, the conclusion is that two masks can be effective, if done appropriately. A CDC spokesperson did an interview on NPR about it, sharing that the CDC was basing its conclusion on research--like that April article above, I'll point out. Here is the transcript:
https://www.npr.org/2021/02/10/966500929/two-masks-are-better-than-one-cdc-says

So again, use caution before repeating what you (Bob and everybody) saw on the web. That's not to be taken as a personal attack to anybody that has posted so far, though I do wish to deliver it as a scolding in this context.

Or think of it as a complaint: too many of the links given in this thread are for useless tweets and webpages that I and others wouldn't consider to be reliable sources--you have to get to the original source and context to confirm that the information being presented by others accurately reflects the sources they claim to use! Being snowballed by one claim after another riles my cautious mind and hurts whatever case you are trying to make to me.

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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #35 on: February 27, 2021, 09:52:59 PM »
Doctors Around the World Issue Dire WARNING: DO NOT GET THE COVID VACCINE!!

https://healthimpactnews.com/2020/doctors-around-the-world-issue-dire-warning-do-not-get-the-covid-vaccine/

What could possibly motivate these doctors, nurses, scientists, and other health professionals to make such an impassioned plea? What do they have to gain by taking the time to educate the public on the hidden dangers of a new class of vaccine about to be inflicted upon the citizens of countries around the world?

They have NOTHING TO GAIN, and much to lose, including their careers, and possibly even their lives.

So why are they doing this? Why are these doctors and professionals being censored so much if the new COVID vaccines are in fact “safe and effective”? What is it that the media and the government are hiding that they don’t want the public to know?

They are doing this because they are doctors and scientists who actually understand the REAL science here, and who know the devastating potential consequences of those who choose to get this very toxic and dangerous vaccine, and they are trying to save as many people as possible from the damage this vaccine is going to cause, which will include DEATH, brain injuries, life-long autoimmune disease, infertility, and more.
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #36 on: February 28, 2021, 08:03:19 AM »
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #37 on: February 28, 2021, 11:18:15 AM »
Another Covid nurse speaks up and totally lays out the covid scam.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GnqA29uUsuQm/
Some strong language in this video, but deserves your viewing..

She pulls no punches and calls anyone who believes in corona stupid for not doing any research to see it is fake, goes over how the flu vanished, explains how the PCR tests are phony, explains how the virus was never isolated, calls people retards and swears in a manner that is appropriate for this con job. Quite surprising to see a nurse this mad. And more: She's obviously a very smart nurse.
http://82.221.129.208/.us1.html
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #38 on: February 28, 2021, 12:11:26 PM »
;) Here are two reports from the flip side of the Corona Virus debate and both state that the benefits greatly outweigh the risks 

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-01-18/what-to-know-about-vaccine-related-deaths-allergies-quicktake

https://www.dw.com/en/fact-check-no-links-found-between-vaccination-and-deaths/a-56458746

DW is German media. Why is that significant you might ask?

Whistleblower Video Footage of Forced COVID Vaccines in German Nursing Homes Goes Public – Attorney: “We’re Dealing with Homicide, Maybe Even Murder”
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/whistleblower-video-footage-of-forced-covid-vaccines-in-german-nursing-homes-goes-public-attorney-were-dealing-with-homicide-maybe-even-murder/

Whistleblower: 8 of 31 Residents Dead in German Nursing Home After They Were Forcibly Injected with Pfizer Experimental mRNA COVID Shots Against Their Will
https://healthimpactnews.com/2021/whistleblower-8-of-31-residents-dead-in-german-nursing-home-after-they-were-forcibly-injected-with-pfizer-experimental-mrna-covid-shots-against-their-will/

Problem w/ posting MSM links is that Big Pharma is in bed w/ the MSM.

Big Pharma gives MSM Billions in Ad Revenue
https://www.governmentpropaganda.net/big-pharma-gives-msm-billions-in-ad-revenue/

Used to be MSM was the watchdog of government and corporations.

Nowadays MSM is their ACCOMPLICE.

Accomplice definition, a person who knowingly helps another in a crime or wrongdoing, often as a subordinate.
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/accomplice
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Re: Synthetic mRNA Covid vaccines: A Risk-Benefit Analysis
« Reply #39 on: February 28, 2021, 12:13:45 PM »
Another Covid nurse speaks up and totally lays out the covid scam.
https://www.bitchute.com/video/GnqA29uUsuQm/
Some strong language in this video, but deserves your viewing..

She pulls no punches and calls anyone who believes in corona stupid for not doing any research to see it is fake, goes over how the flu vanished, explains how the PCR tests are phony, explains how the virus was never isolated, calls people retards and swears in a manner that is appropriate for this con job. Quite surprising to see a nurse this mad. And more: She's obviously a very smart nurse.
http://82.221.129.208/.us1.html
In other words; she went completely hysterical? I have a hard time having any faith in a person who supposedly cares so much that they cannot make more than a screaming statement that calls folks retards.... If you really cared, you would prove your point in a calm; intelligent, and open fashion-Mole2017 has done an excellent job of actually fact-checking your own copy-pastes; and it would seem that you are deliberately being misleading with your carefully extracted quotes... In other words; it very much would seem that you are not on a crusade to spread the truth, but rather one where winning at all cost is the quota. You say that you serve as a "news" source on your own media page; if this is an example of your "reporting" than I fail to see how you can call yourself a news source-you do not report on stories; you merely puppet your chosen lines in ways that distort the actual stories that you link too. That is not reporting; it is pushing your own narrative.

And as for the lack of flu; my entire family of five ordinarily would have went through the usual run of three or so colds/flus by now. What do you know-we have not had a single one-almost like the precautions that we are taking (and the majority of the country) are stopping it in it's tracks. I wonder-how many other folks who have been staying out of public places; masking, etc. have not caught anything this year(chime in everybody)? In essence; the lack of cold and flu cases is entirely understandable-it can be explained in a completely rational manner.

Now, a lot of your links seem to revolve around the dangers of getting the vaccine. Is there a risk? Most definitely; for a short period of time all who get the  mRNA vaccines are monitored-for anaphylaxis; a severe allergic reaction-like folks carry Epi pens for. There have also been rare cases of paralysis; which IIRC (and am too lazy to dig up links-it was Israeli data I believe) was connected to a preexisting factor that could be screened for among those who were getting the vaccine. Now I could be wrong on parts of that; look it up for yourself-I only remember for sure that Israel halted vaccinations for a time; and then resumed once they identified what was going on-and could prevent it. So bottom line, there is a risk-but not like is being touted; one can stretch original sources way out of proportion from what they are but overwhelmingly they are safer than catching the virus (IMO YMMV and all that good stuff  8))
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