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sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« on: February 01, 2021, 12:37:34 PM »
Measure 110 passed and today is the first day of hard drug possession being decriminalized.

User amounts under Measure 110:
Less than 1 gram of heroin.
Less than 1 gram, or less than 5 pills, of MDMA.
Less than 2 grams of methamphetamine.
Less than 40 units of LSD.
Less than 12 grams of psilocybin.
Less than 40 units of methadone.
Less than 40 pills of oxycodone.
Less than 2 grams of cocaine.
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https://www.koin.com/news/oregon/user-amounts-of-drugs-now-decriminalized-in-oregon-measure-110/

That's a LOT dope, any of those substances, to have on-person! $100 fine or counseling. W T F?

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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #1 on: February 01, 2021, 01:50:54 PM »
State of would be / could be junkies ... not good
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #2 on: February 01, 2021, 02:04:20 PM »
State of would be / could be junkies ... not good

I agree Scott. Marijuana is legal, fine, but meth. Crazy.

Weed is bad enough and I know cuz I smoked bales of it when much younger. It's not good for kids!

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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #3 on: February 01, 2021, 02:09:28 PM »
The writing is on the wall.

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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #4 on: February 01, 2021, 02:12:06 PM »
Portland had 14 shootings in a 24 hour period. Scary so I carry. ;) ;) ;)

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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #5 on: February 01, 2021, 02:18:06 PM »
I had heard that. For some reason I thought it was already done. It is sad to say the least. As for pot,.. each to their own. My main gripe with that is people driving and the cops not being able to confirm DUI like they can with booze. That puts innocent people at risk.

I only drink now and that is all I want. When younger,..... well,..........  ;)

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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #6 on: February 01, 2021, 02:27:06 PM »
Well the ones that commit crimes still get arrested.  The ones that don't saves you tax $ .   

A guy wants to try his brain and lay in a ditch that's his choice .  I assume no one twisted his arm to start using.   

Heck a poor kid gets popped with some pot could get more prison time then a robber or murderers.  To me was a issue. 

Don't get me wrong I'm not hip on that meth ¢rap or man made chemicals drugs .   I have no kind feelings to them

It's like the old saying " g0d made weed man made whiskey , who do you trust? " Kinda thing
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #7 on: February 01, 2021, 02:45:49 PM »
playing devils advocate, maybe they figure by legalizing it the number of drug deaths will skyrocket, hence a population cleanse.. They know dam well phentanyl is in most street drugs now , and this will lead to thousands of overdose deaths quickly.
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #8 on: February 01, 2021, 03:58:59 PM »
It is complicated, that's the only thing I'm certain of.  Some buddies of mine who had issues with drugs definitely would not have been helped by time in the slammer.   They avoided that by avoiding the law and then managed to move on and recover.  Nice guys making stupid choices.  Regardless of how I feel about the politics of all this I can't imagine my friends being better off in jail, and they were not violent and they weren't hurting anybody.  But it's complicated. Because of course their cash may have been funneled to dangerous types.  But there are folks who would lock 'em up for smoking some weed and I think THEY need to chill the ^%%** out.  But where do you draw the line to do the least harm?
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #9 on: February 01, 2021, 04:07:49 PM »
...It's like the old saying " g0d made weed man made whiskey , who do you trust? " Kinda thing

Yup.

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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #10 on: February 01, 2021, 04:51:23 PM »
Think about what I'm about to say and reach your own conclusions. I spent 13 years as a firefighter/EMT, in those yrs I've lost count of the number of body recovers and multiple injury accidents I had to make due to drunk drivers. I think if I did remember them all I would go insane. I made 2 accidents that the driver had smoked pot. Both were single vehicle accidents with no or minor injuries. I don't drink and I don't smoke anything. Just putting something out there for thought.
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #11 on: February 01, 2021, 05:12:59 PM »
As far as I'm concerned, the left coast has lost their *&^%'n minds. Free this & that for illegals, no cash bail, legalizing hard core drugs, etc. Now Biden has appointed a bunch of left coasters to key positions. He wants to make the rest of the country into Kalifornia. Over & out.
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #12 on: February 01, 2021, 05:37:39 PM »
playing devils advocate, maybe they figure by legalizing it the number of drug deaths will skyrocket, hence a population cleanse.. They know dam well phentanyl is in most street drugs now , and this will lead to thousands of overdose deaths quickly.

The market always prevails.

The war on drugs directly contributed to phentanyl.
Drugs illegal = Drug entrepreneurs invent or synthesize a more potent drug that is easier to transport/harder to detect.

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3) Get caught with a bag of drugs in your pocket and you’re a drug dealer. Sell a billion worth of OxyContin? That makes you the CEO of Glaxo Smith Klein or Bayer Pharmaceuticals.

Let’s contrast the sentencing of John Kapoor with Ross Ulbricht.
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #13 on: February 01, 2021, 05:45:02 PM »
A more appropriate subject title might be "ANOTHER sad day in Oregon".   These days I am embarrassed to say I live in Oregon, and I was born here in 1951.  This is just another step lower that seems to be happening here at a higher rate every day I get older.  This particular situation is absolutely absurd and they even had to invent a new class for the criminal code.  The penalty for possession of heroin is less than some parking tickets and what's worse is that the court can not even make rehab a condition of sentence anymore - $100 done deal! 

I pretty much support the concept of letting others do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anyone else.  Drug abuse is hardly ever with without harm to others.  Families are often broken up, thefts are often the most common means of supporting habits, and let us not forget the wonderful homeless camps where addicts commit violent crimes on other homeless people.

So send us your unemployed drug addicts apparently the voting majority of this state will be happy to take care of them for. 

Sad times indeed. 
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #14 on: February 01, 2021, 05:49:09 PM »
How many people are sitting around thinking “The reason I’m going to shoot up today is it’s legal.”? None.

Sad that it’s treated the same as a parking ticket? Did you guys really think this was ever about anything other than money or power?
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
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Whole nations, not just a single state, have already decriminalized. Years ago. Rehab, not prison bars.
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #16 on: February 01, 2021, 06:53:08 PM »
Whole nations, not just a single state, have already decriminalized. Years ago. Rehab, not prison bars.

Yep, gotta look at it from a different angle,
obviously the tack taken until now wasn't working,...not one bit.
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2021, 07:00:29 PM »
Whole nations, not just a single state, have already decriminalized. Years ago. Rehab, not prison bars.

Yep, gotta look at it from a different angle,
obviously the tack taken until now wasn't working,...not one bit.

I think like prohibition, it worked to give the “do gooders” some sense of righteousness.

Like prohibition, I don’t think current system working as far as encouraging good will to your fellow man.
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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2021, 07:02:29 PM »
2g, not quite an 8 ball

Legalize it

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Re: sad day in Oregon --- hard drug possession being decriminalized
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2021, 07:27:37 PM »
As far as I'm concerned, the left coast has lost their *&^%'n minds. Free this & that for illegals, no cash bail, legalizing hard core drugs, etc. Now Biden has appointed a bunch of left coasters to key positions. He wants to make the rest of the country into Kalifornia. Over & out.

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