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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #20 on: September 26, 2020, 12:42:52 PM »
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It is not possible to mix bottles unintentionally. Thread is totally of different size. It is also impossible in gas company cause they cannot fix the wrong bottle to oxygen filling line

I would agree with this statement, and it should be kept foremost in the thoughts of everyone following, and certainly those involved with and investigating, what happened....

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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #21 on: September 26, 2020, 12:53:39 PM »
No Texan valve from us or Jeremy at AAO has  BLOWN UP ! The person Picked up a bottle that was supposed to be full of helium from his local welding shop and they mistakenly gave him a bottle of oxygen instead.  Some people need to wait to hear the facts before they start blaming products or people in the industry for what has happened


So, reading comments from experts this isn't possible,

.......so why the dissinformation ?
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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #22 on: September 26, 2020, 01:36:24 PM »
No Texan valve from us or Jeremy at AAO has  BLOWN UP ! The person Picked up a bottle that was supposed to be full of helium from his local welding shop and they mistakenly gave him a bottle of oxygen instead.  Some people need to wait to hear the facts before they start blaming products or people in the industry for what has happened


i didn't read anything in the op that laid the blame on anything or anyone. 
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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #23 on: September 26, 2020, 01:46:50 PM »
No Texan valve from us or Jeremy at AAO has  BLOWN UP ! The person Picked up a bottle that was supposed to be full of helium from his local welding shop and they mistakenly gave him a bottle of oxygen instead.  Some people need to wait to hear the facts before they start blaming products or people in the industry for what has happened


i didn't read anything in the op that laid the blame on anything or anyone.
Agreed.... matter of fact, the only blame I've read here was placed directly on the weld shop which has been reported to be impossible. That's why I say.... I hope that we get ALL the FACTS.
Either way... thoughts and prayers go out to the injured and his family.
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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #24 on: September 26, 2020, 02:12:34 PM »
It would definitely be a very valuable lesson for anyone into HPA guns to know. I'm sure the facts will be presented once everything is sorted out. Once again prayers to the shooter and their loved ones.
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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #25 on: September 26, 2020, 02:22:55 PM »
No Texan valve from us or Jeremy at AAO has  BLOWN UP ! The person Picked up a bottle that was supposed to be full of helium from his local welding shop and they mistakenly gave him a bottle of oxygen instead.  Some people need to wait to hear the facts before they start blaming products or people in the industry for what has happened


i didn't read anything in the op that laid the blame on anything or anyone.
Agreed.... matter of fact, the only blame I've read here was placed directly on the weld shop which has been reported to be impossible. That's why I say.... I hope that we get ALL the FACTS.
Either way... thoughts and prayers go out to the injured and his family.

100% agree too.  I also find it disturbing that the vendor posted that and didn't even once mention will wishes for the injured.  They won't be getting my business, that's for darn sure.
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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2020, 07:47:20 AM »
It is not possible to mix bottles unintentionally. Thread is totally of different size. It is also impossible in gas company cause they cannot fix the wrong bottle to oxygen filling line.

Maybe it wasn't a "Welding" shop, maybe it was a "Dive" shop? Maybe he wasn't trying to get Helium, maybe just compressed air? Guessing you've never heard of Nitrox? or any of the other gas "Mixes" for diving? Nitrox has double the O2 content as Air.

No Texan valve from us or Jeremy at AAO has  BLOWN UP ! The person Picked up a bottle that was supposed to be full of helium from his local welding shop and they mistakenly gave him a bottle of oxygen instead.  Some people need to wait to hear the facts before they start blaming products or people in the industry for what has happened


So, reading comments from experts this isn't possible,

.......so why the dissinformation ?

Maybe it's that some of the "Experts" are actually providing some of the dis-information since it appears some might not know as much as they think
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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2020, 08:12:12 AM »
I am no expert but I know for a fact that you cant connect flammable gas reg to inert gas line or oxygen to air or nitrogen line. Not without jerry rigging the connection one way or the other so not possible by accident.
How do I know this, well I have manufactured the fitting for Linden group / AGA some years back.

We also made hydrogen containers for shipping hydrogen. And I have pretty good idea what fits where.

So do enlighten us what do you thing is the dis-information you accuse some of us providing?

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« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2020, 08:32:28 AM »
I am no expert but I know for a fact that you cant connect flammable gas reg to inert gas line or oxygen to air or nitrogen line. Not without jerry rigging the connection one way or the other so not possible by accident.
How do I know this, well I have manufactured the fitting for Linden group / AGA some years back.

We also made hydrogen containers for shipping hydrogen. And I have pretty good idea what fits where.

So do enlighten us what do you thing is the dis-information you accuse some of us providing?

Marko

So are you an "Expert" or not? In first sentence you say NO, but then you want me to enlighten us as to the dis-information some of "us" are providing, indicating you are including yourself among the experts. Remember that an OB/GYN is generally considered an "Expert" but I would not necessarily want one doing open heart surgery on me.

Please answer this - How do dive shops get Trimix (which contains Helium) or Nitrox (with contains a higher content of O@) into a Din 300 equipped tank? Once you answer this you will realize that it IS possible to put Helium or Oxygen into different or similar tanks.

How about we just wait till all of the "facts" come out before we offer our own "expert" opinions as to what might have happened. Wouldn't that be best for those "involved"?
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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2020, 08:38:41 AM »
Maybe it wasn't a "Welding" shop, maybe it was a "Dive" shop? Maybe he wasn't trying to get Helium, maybe just compressed air? Guessing you've never heard of Nitrox? or any of the other gas "Mixes" for diving? Nitrox has double the O2 content as Air.
Quess what? I used to be a diver on yonger age. Nitrox can contain almost any amount of oxygen up to somtehing like 60%. Maybe it was Heliox? Or maybe poor guy was visiting NASA instead of dive shop and got 600 bars pure oxygen? Maybe.

Anyway it is not that plausible because if you dive with gas mix you don't know exactly, it could be even more fatal than gun explosion. No dive shop should ever fill the tank that is not oxygen cleaned with enriched mix.

If you have some additional information about this particular case, please do inform us.
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« Reply #30 on: September 27, 2020, 08:57:56 AM »
Maybe it wasn't a "Welding" shop, maybe it was a "Dive" shop? Maybe he wasn't trying to get Helium, maybe just compressed air? Guessing you've never heard of Nitrox? or any of the other gas "Mixes" for diving? Nitrox has double the O2 content as Air.
Quess what? I used to be a diver on yonger age. Nitrox can contain almost any amount of oxygen up to somtehing like 60%. Maybe it was Heliox? Or maybe poor guy was visiting NASA instead of dive shop and got 600 bars pure oxygen? Maybe.

Anyway it is not that plausible because if you dive with gas mix you don't know exactly, it could be even more fatal than gun explosion. No dive shop should ever fill the tank that is not oxygen cleaned with enriched mix.

If you have some additional information about this particular case, please do inform us.

Should and could are different things. If I take my Nitrox labeled tank and have it filled at a shop that has no mixes will they fill it with compressed air? Sure they will. Then I take it back to the other shop with mixes, will they fill it with Nitrox? Sure they will, as long as I tell them it's still clean, right?

BTW-I have no additional info, just trying to "correct" some of the dis-information like stated. Apparently some don't like being told they are wrong, so I'll stop
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« Reply #31 on: September 27, 2020, 09:11:35 AM »
Cant read or don't understand what was written?
I was talking about accidentally filling a wrong bottle with oxygen, and tank threads. Sure you can get different gas mixes in to any bottle but not by accident. It is on purpose from someones demand, not by accident.

But as you said some of us and as us I mean this forum members, not some as you call experts.

Starting to feel it was a bad idea to inform anyone of anything, starting to feel all the real experts have left this forum for a reason.

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Re: Texan explosion.
« Reply #32 on: September 27, 2020, 09:15:30 AM »
Ok, let's all back it down a notch or two. Virtually everything in the previous postings are based on the word of the poster.
Sadly, even the original report is even based on a social media posting. I don't find any of if worth one GTA member disrespecting another.
We've experienced this here before and lost some great members over it.
How about we just wait and see if we get some real provable facts?
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« Reply #33 on: September 27, 2020, 09:17:08 AM »
Cant read or don't understand what was written?
I was talking about accidentally filling a wrong bottle with oxygen, and tank threads. Sure you can get different gas mixes in to any bottle but not by accident. It is on purpose from someones demand, not by accident.

But as you said some of us and as us I mean this forum members, not some as you call experts.

Starting to feel it was a bad idea to inform anyone of anything, starting to feel all the real experts have left this forum for a reason.

Marko
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« Reply #34 on: September 27, 2020, 09:20:56 AM »
I would like to know how this happened also but I more concerned about the shooter. Has anyone heard an update on his condition?

Remember,  he's one of us. By us, I'm referring to being an airgun enthusiast.
I'm praying for him and his family.

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« Reply #35 on: September 27, 2020, 09:39:45 AM »
About social media reliability, i quess this is one of them...
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« Reply #36 on: September 27, 2020, 10:00:16 AM »
Timo.... I guess it is what we, the members, make it.
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« Reply #37 on: September 27, 2020, 10:38:39 AM »
Should and could are different things. If I take my Nitrox labeled tank and have it filled at a shop that has no mixes will they fill it with compressed air? Sure they will. Then I take it back to the other shop with mixes, will they fill it with Nitrox? Sure they will, as long as I tell them it's still clean, right?

Is this only imaginary option? I am little bit worried now, are you relly doing this? Cause by doing this you risk first fillers life before your own.
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« Reply #39 on: September 27, 2020, 11:33:11 AM »
Waiting for facts, and prayers sent to this unknown victim. :-X
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