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Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« on: September 14, 2020, 07:22:34 PM »
2000fps is often quoted as the magic number for exploding targets (e.g., Tannerite).  Are there PCPs capable of getting projectiles to 50+ yards with at least 2000fps?

If not, what are the highest muzzle velocities and retained velocity at ~100 yards that can be found in PCP rifles?
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #1 on: September 14, 2020, 07:26:42 PM »
 Short answer...NO
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #2 on: September 14, 2020, 07:58:08 PM »
2000fps is often quoted as the magic number for exploding targets (e.g., Tannerite).  Are there PCPs capable of getting projectiles to 50+ yards with at least 2000fps?

If not, what are the highest muzzle velocities and retained velocity at ~100 yards that can be found in PCP rifles?


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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 08:05:52 PM »
My first thought,... is X fps required or is X fpe required?
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2020, 08:40:42 PM »
2000fps is often quoted as the magic number for exploding targets (e.g., Tannerite).  Are there PCPs capable of getting projectiles to 50+ yards with at least 2000fps?

If not, what are the highest muzzle velocities and retained velocity at ~100 yards that can be found in PCP rifles?

Busy hunting unicorns are we?  lol

I suspect  2000 fps at 50 yards can be done,  but you will need quite a few things to  get there.
A small caliber gun with a VERY LARGE dump valve on a HUGE RESERVOIR and a barrel at least 6' long, shooting a 3 grain bullet with a  bc of no less than 4.99. You'll also need to come to some sort of an agreement with the air in the atmosphere as well as gravity and the laws of physics.

If your question is because you want to shoot reactive targets and  that's what they require, it'll be a lot easier to get your kicks if you used something that required lower velocities and energy more in line with what airguns are capable of producing.

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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #5 on: September 14, 2020, 09:06:52 PM »
Might want to try firebird targets if you want to use an air rifle.

https://www.firebirdtargets.com/firebird-targets-videos

But why not just use a firearm? You're obviously not needing to keep things quiet.
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #6 on: September 14, 2020, 09:11:31 PM »
You need PRESSURE and the WHY FOR only the pressure created by a propellant ( As in gun powder ) is practical for such purposes.
6K nitrogen and a barrel in vacuum ? ... maybe ???
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #7 on: September 14, 2020, 09:13:53 PM »
2000fps is often quoted as the magic number for exploding targets (e.g., Tannerite).  Are there PCPs capable of getting projectiles to 50+ yards with at least 2000fps?

If not, what are the highest muzzle velocities and retained velocity at ~100 yards that can be found in PCP rifles?
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #8 on: September 14, 2020, 09:24:28 PM »
2000fps is often quoted as the magic number for exploding targets (e.g., Tannerite).  Are there PCPs capable of getting projectiles to 50+ yards with at least 2000fps?

If not, what are the highest muzzle velocities and retained velocity at ~100 yards that can be found in PCP rifles?

Busy hunting unicorns are we?  lol

I suspect  2000 fps at 50 yards can be done,  but you will need quite a few things to  get there.
A small caliber gun with a VERY LARGE dump valve on a HUGE RESERVOIR and a barrel at least 6' long, shooting a 3 grain bullet with a  bc of no less than 4.99. You'll also need to come to some sort of an agreement with the air in the atmosphere as well as gravity and the laws of physics.

If your question is because you want to shoot reactive targets and  that's what they require, it'll be a lot easier to get your kicks if you used something that required lower velocities and energy more in line with what airguns are capable of producing.

Just my opinion,  do with it that which you wish.

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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2020, 09:40:42 PM »
2000fps is often quoted as the magic number for exploding targets (e.g., Tannerite).  Are there PCPs capable of getting projectiles to 50+ yards with at least 2000fps?

If not, what are the highest muzzle velocities and retained velocity at ~100 yards that can be found in PCP rifles?


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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2020, 09:50:05 PM »
watch what you guys wish for .. ;D  ... he might be smok-en rocks !  :P
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #11 on: September 14, 2020, 09:52:47 PM »
How about a DIESELING, super-magnum .177 cal spring rifle shooting ultra-light alloy pellets.  A 4.00gn pellet traveling at 2000 fps = 35.5 fpe.  I doubt that it can be done.

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« Reply #12 on: September 14, 2020, 11:44:45 PM »
David,

The question is probably meant in the context of off the shelf PCPs.  In that case no PCP set up for conventional "diabolo" (waisted) pellets shoots much over 1000 FPS at the muzzle.  The ones that do, do not perform well at longer ranges.

Even PCPs set up for shooting slugs at longer ranges are rarely tuned for much over 1000 FPS.

Now, if you are talking laboratory set-up to explore what is even possible, the Bob Sterne has broken 2000 FPS muzzle velocity "barrier".  Here is a long thread exploring the question of max PCP velocity:  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=94054.0

That said, I don't see the point of setting off Tannerite with an air rifle.  Any place you can legally and safely set off Tannerite, you can use a centerfire rifle.     

To expand further, I don't see the point of shooting Tannerite at all.   Sure, it is a type of spectacular firework, with potential to do damage.   

Perhaps you can explain the point of your question, or else imaginations are likely run rampant about nefarious purposes.  Even if not nefarious, forming an association between airguns and binary explosives simply has no upside for the sport.  If someone has done something that cost them their right to own firearms, we don't want them setting off Tannerite with airguns.  Thank you very much.
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #13 on: September 15, 2020, 01:15:26 AM »
In simple terms, not gonna happen.... To reach 2000 fps takes a projectile with a very low SD, and that means a lousy BC, so there is no way you will still have even close to 2000 fps at 50 yards....

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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #14 on: September 15, 2020, 03:18:05 AM »
Aren't there different velocity requirements for different types of tannerite?  I don't know because my buddy always buys it for us, but it seems like I've heard they have handgun tannerite and rifle tannerite that react at different speeds.  We also shoot ARs so it really doesn't matter for us.
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #15 on: September 15, 2020, 08:11:04 AM »
Just use these.......
http://www.bigblastcaps.com/
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #16 on: September 15, 2020, 09:25:46 AM »
Just use these.......
http://www.bigblastcaps.com/

Probably not a great idea with half the Western US already on fire! :( dave
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« Reply #17 on: September 15, 2020, 09:42:29 AM »
Probably not a great idea with half the Western US already on fire! :( dave

The suggested "caps" work with compressed air.  A look at the link provided makes that obvious. 

If you are concerned about starting fires, do you have any concerns about Tannerite?
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« Reply #18 on: September 15, 2020, 10:40:47 AM »
Probably not a great idea with half the Western US already on fire! :( dave

The suggested "caps" work with compressed air.  A look at the link provided makes that obvious. 

If you are concerned about starting fires, do you have any concerns about Tannerite?

It wasn't me who suggested Tannerite!  8) dave
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Re: Rifles capable of 2000fps?
« Reply #19 on: September 15, 2020, 10:44:03 AM »
It's really a moot point.... if you send a pellet downrange at 2000 psi. you'll be lucky to hit anything.
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