Hey there all,I hope that in the midst of all this we can keep track of the big picture. I don't know anyone that doesn't have some event in their life they wish they could take back. It's so easy to armchair quarterback a situation without considering the other person(s) and what they are going through. If we want understanding, grace, and mercy in our times of trouble, it starts by extending it to others in theirs. As a guy that's been working on "guns" (both firearms and airguns) for the past 15 years, I can say personally that it's not "if" you'll have an event, but "when." You hope and pray that nobody is hurt and nothing's damaged, but if you handle guns long enough, you will have something happen that you did not expect. I could share some stories but will spare you all the unnecessary details. It's one thing to learn from our own mistakes, it's far better when we can with compassion learn from the mistakes of others. I would hope that in the midst of all the discussion folks take a moment to consider how they would handle the situation if faced with the same horrific circumstances. Maybe take some time to lift all the parties involved up in your prayers and pray they find peace and not rather look for vengeance. Anyway, it's a good reminder to always assume your gear is live and loaded and to always check your stuff before you pull the trigger.CheersRick
Quote from: Nomadic Pirate on October 25, 2021, 01:33:36 PMQuote from: subscriber on October 25, 2021, 08:32:08 AMHow does one capture this scene safely? The gun is clearly not "off axis". Perhaps it is a replica, or is made from plastic or rubber, or has a plugged barrel/chamber? Or a short firing pin...From the movie The Juror: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Juror,_TheYeah, I worked on a couple Hollywood sets and guns are pointed at people ....a lot, so that aspect of gun safety is off the windowIt's not the job of the actor to check the gun, they get given a gun from armorers/props departments and it's their job to deliver a safe instrument.If you have worked on a set you quickly realize actors are just that they play a part, they most likely have no idea how a gun works, how certain vehicles operate, heck they don't even know how to handle a surfboard .......can keep going on and on.They are given a tool and play pretend, those that prep and handle those tools NEED to be spot on even in the chain of custody.Over the years I have heard countless numbers of stories of actors "researching" characters they then pretend to be, it is logical for actors to also FULLY research and learn all dangerous items they are going to pretend with! It is also logical if they want to look like they know what they are doing with a handgun that they would just seek out knowledge/training so that they can do their job effectively and safely. I would not put 100% blame on Alec or absolve him of his share either, with the "facts" I have heard. It sounds like there were a whole host of issues that should not have been allowed to go on. It is a shame and tragedy that safety was not taken seriously.
Quote from: subscriber on October 25, 2021, 08:32:08 AMHow does one capture this scene safely? The gun is clearly not "off axis". Perhaps it is a replica, or is made from plastic or rubber, or has a plugged barrel/chamber? Or a short firing pin...From the movie The Juror: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Juror,_TheYeah, I worked on a couple Hollywood sets and guns are pointed at people ....a lot, so that aspect of gun safety is off the windowIt's not the job of the actor to check the gun, they get given a gun from armorers/props departments and it's their job to deliver a safe instrument.If you have worked on a set you quickly realize actors are just that they play a part, they most likely have no idea how a gun works, how certain vehicles operate, heck they don't even know how to handle a surfboard .......can keep going on and on.They are given a tool and play pretend, those that prep and handle those tools NEED to be spot on even in the chain of custody.
How does one capture this scene safely? The gun is clearly not "off axis". Perhaps it is a replica, or is made from plastic or rubber, or has a plugged barrel/chamber? Or a short firing pin...From the movie The Juror: http://www.imfdb.org/wiki/Juror,_The
2 days? I waited a week. And that was after a week waiting for my CCW.
Souza said they were setting up a shot that required Baldwin, who plays an outlaw in the film, to cross-draw the weapon and point it at the camera. While demonstrating what he would do, the gun, which wasn't supposed to be loaded, went off, the warrant states.So the gun just "went off". BS It went off when balDwin pulled the trigger. The gun is in your hand. It's your responsibility to see if it's loaded.You never take someone's word for it.
Quote from: Bimota on October 26, 2021, 09:52:06 AMSouza said they were setting up a shot that required Baldwin, who plays an outlaw in the film, to cross-draw the weapon and point it at the camera. While demonstrating what he would do, the gun, which wasn't supposed to be loaded, went off, the warrant states.So the gun just "went off". BS It went off when balDwin pulled the trigger. The gun is in your hand. It's your responsibility to see if it's loaded.You never take someone's word for it.Sadly, this is not the case on a movie set, only the armorer checks the weapon, actors just act.
I think if this had happened to someone else, perhaps a celebrity that enjoys using guns and/or isn't hated by the community, the vitriol would be a little more restrained.
Quote from: Spacebus on October 26, 2021, 11:01:13 AMI think if this had happened to someone else, perhaps a celebrity that enjoys using guns and/or isn't hated by the community, the vitriol would be a little more restrained. If it had been someone who enjoys fire arms it wouldn't have happened because he or she would have checked the weapon to see what was loaded or empty.
Quote from: Madd Hatter on October 26, 2021, 12:05:22 PMQuote from: Spacebus on October 26, 2021, 11:01:13 AMI think if this had happened to someone else, perhaps a celebrity that enjoys using guns and/or isn't hated by the community, the vitriol would be a little more restrained. If it had been someone who enjoys fire arms it wouldn't have happened because he or she would have checked the weapon to see what was loaded or empty.Let's not pretend like accidents don't happen. There are plenty of stories of well trained firearm users accidentally shooting themselves or others. It even happens in the military and police. A friend of mine died when a friend of his accidentally shot him with his own gun. The guy that died was a veteran I served with and apparently the guy that accidentally shot him was trained in firearm use. This kind of thing happens to even the best trained individuals. The vitriol is almost entirely due to Alec Baldwin being involved. I'm not saying he has no responsibility or shoulders no blame in this incident. Simply that he is a human being that makes mistakes like the rest of us.
Quote from: Spacebus on October 26, 2021, 12:19:06 PMQuote from: Madd Hatter on October 26, 2021, 12:05:22 PMQuote from: Spacebus on October 26, 2021, 11:01:13 AMI think if this had happened to someone else, perhaps a celebrity that enjoys using guns and/or isn't hated by the community, the vitriol would be a little more restrained. If it had been someone who enjoys fire arms it wouldn't have happened because he or she would have checked the weapon to see what was loaded or empty.Let's not pretend like accidents don't happen. There are plenty of stories of well trained firearm users accidentally shooting themselves or others. It even happens in the military and police. A friend of mine died when a friend of his accidentally shot him with his own gun. The guy that died was a veteran I served with and apparently the guy that accidentally shot him was trained in firearm use. This kind of thing happens to even the best trained individuals. The vitriol is almost entirely due to Alec Baldwin being involved. I'm not saying he has no responsibility or shoulders no blame in this incident. Simply that he is a human being that makes mistakes like the rest of us. Accidents do happen. It is very likely, though, that someone who is a big gun advocate and enthusiast, who has had at least a modicum of training, will be safety conscious, almost to a fault. The vitriol makes no difference at all. It is merely an emotional reaction to his past actions and words.
Just out this morning. The gun was used that morning for plinking. WHY WAS LIVE AMMO EVEN ALLOWED AT THE LOCATION!!!