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Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => Target Shooting Discussion Gate => Topic started by: tripiy on October 27, 2020, 04:16:44 PM
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I have been hitting the golf balls consistently 5 out of 4 times at ~20 meters before encountering couple of ricochets followed by extensive read up on hazards of shooting golf balls. So printed approximately 1.5" circular targets (thanks to Wayne52) on 2"x3" paper. Only got 5 out of the 12 shots on the paper, none of them landing in the target circle. So back to the golf ball just to ascertain the gun-scope zero and got it 3 times in 5 attempts.
Maybe this was discussed in one of the threads earlier, but couldn't find it, so any quick suggestions and remediation are welcome.
I'm certain that more practice will improve the hit rate on paper targets, so will keep at it.
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Like shooting Coke cans I want the hole in the "o". What guns are you shooting. I mostly shoot springers and I have a couple of gas rams. On occasion I shoot co2 guns. Only had one PCP, sold it. Go to Walmart and get some targets. I like shooting shoot & see splatter targets because you get immediate feed back. Or any larger target as long as you can see the holes with out having to walk down. A golf ball at 20 yards you should hit that 5 out of 5. But you can't see where the misses went. With a larger paper target you see the hits but also where the misses went. Practice the artillery hold if you shoot springer. You can google that. I hold my springers so loose if I coughed I'd drop the gun. Not really but close to that.
Your goal is to have all 3 or 5 shots close together. (quarter size) Doesn't matter where just so they're close together. When you can do that consistently adjust the sights to your point of aim (POA).
An old saying is: "aim small, miss small". I usually shoot at 25 yards. If I shoot at a 3 inch bulls eye my groups will be so so. If I shoot at a 1 inch bullseye the groups will get smaller. If I put a random pellet one in the target and aim at the pellet hole my groups will really be small. If you want a head shot aim at the eye ball. At 25 Yards with a good springer. An Air Hawk or Optimus or Beeman RS2 or Silent Cat the hole should be at least touching. Of corse you goning have a flyer now and then. Enjoy
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Agreed. Typically at 30 yds or 50 I put a blank piece of card stock, cardboard or a paper plate. I shoot a hole and that is my aimpoint with the hope that that hole does not grow much. sometimes I am successful and some times not, but my groups are always better than when using a 3" bullseye or other large target.
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I have been hitting the golf balls consistently 5 out of 4 times at ~20 meters before encountering couple of ricochets followed by extensive read up on hazards of shooting golf balls. So printed approximately 1.5" circular targets (thanks to Wayne52) on 2"x3" paper. Only got 5 out of the 12 shots on the paper, none of them landing in the target circle. So back to the golf ball just to ascertain the gun-scope zero and got it 3 times in 5 attempts.
Maybe this was discussed in one of the threads earlier, but couldn't find it, so any quick suggestions and remediation are welcome.
I'm certain that more practice will improve the hit rate on paper targets, so will keep at it.
I made up some multiple bull targets using CAD software and I use them to practice my "bucket and sticks" shooting form with my HW break barrels.
(https://i.imgur.com/SHRJFFYl.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/KXFo5Sol.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/qG4o7sJl.png)
The idea is to simply "break the circle" shooting one pellet per bull at upstairs @18 yards "hunter class field target style" (sitting on a bucket resting the gun on cross sticks) ............
(https://i.imgur.com/52UgosUl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/4yOFU4ol.jpg)
Funny thing is that I found when shooting groups is that my groups are normally tighter if I aim at the numbers above the bulls vs trying to aim at the center of the larger "open circles"........
(https://i.imgur.com/yFlQoyLl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Fx8RFOSl.jpg)
I made up a couple different targets so prove the "aim small/miss small". Targets with small "aimimg bull" inside larger bull............
(https://i.imgur.com/IG96lKrl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/g34zl3zl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/eD2RFEnl.jpg)
I haven't shot any of the "aiming spot bull targets" yet but will when I get the urge.
I also found that targets with a printed diamond are easier to align a crosshair to the precise center for shooting groups. Also, aiming "off the point of impact" preserves the "aiming point" so it doesn't get "shot away" like this.........
(https://i.imgur.com/Fx8RFOSl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/6jbM8Jwl.jpg)
Anywhoo.......when aiming at larger bulls I believe that I have a personal difficulty of determining the exact center of an open circle so the aim isn't as fine as when I aim at a smaller "block number".
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I try to use different targets so I don't get in a rut of shooting the same thing over and over, it gets boring after a while. Here are some free printable targets to try. If you still want to shoot golf balls, get the plastic practice ones, they are brightly colored and much safer than the real ones.
(https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse1.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.2xNKhFJaEIA1rDtQux5IGgHaHa%26pid%3DApi&f=1)
http://www.airgunsmith.com/target/free_targets.htm (http://www.airgunsmith.com/target/free_targets.htm)
http://targetz.com/ (http://targetz.com/)
http://printtargets.net/ (http://printtargets.net/) (make your own and print)
http://www.impactdatabooks.com/Target_Downloads_s/78.htm (http://www.impactdatabooks.com/Target_Downloads_s/78.htm)
http://www.arld1.com/images/swfs/fieldtarget2b.swf (http://www.arld1.com/images/swfs/fieldtarget2b.swf)
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After I get zeroed for plinking I like shooting wine bottle corks at 25 yards to test my zero.
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Next week after the election go around your neighborhood and collect some of those campaign signs they stick in the ground by the road. They're great for mounting paper targets. I just tape them on or some have adhesive.
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Next week after the election go around your neighborhood and collect some of those campaign signs they stick in the ground by the road. They're great for mounting paper targets. I just tape them on or some have adhesive.
those sign frames are also good for bending spoon handles around to make spinners
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Thank you everyone for the suggestions. I shoot offhand with RWS 48 using a fixed 4x scope. I have tried higher magnification but that only creates more movement in my offhand style shooting.
Biggest take away so far seems to try shooting at smaller (& solid targets like dots or numbers) as against bigger circular targets.
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I like the reactive targets with circles that spin when you hit them.
No resetting required, just shoot, shoot, shoot.
This one is FUN!
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Do-All-Outdoors-Airgun-Pro-Auto-Reset-Target/26959470 (https://www.walmart.com/ip/Do-All-Outdoors-Airgun-Pro-Auto-Reset-Target/26959470)
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Might be partly psychological.
Golf balls are casual fun, a paper target is serious.
The other is lighting on the target, and color of the target.
Black recticle on a black target is not as easy to center as black recticle on a white golf ball.
Try reversing it with a target that has a white bull, and the outer rings are black.
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For a good, free reactive target I use wine corks. I tie about 6” of string, or fishing line to them, then staple the other end of the string to a 2’long 2x4. You can line up a bunch on the same 2x4, then set em up, and knock em down. When that gets too easy, cut them in half. The other day i shot 8 half corks with 9 shots from my 853 at 30 yds, using a scope. If you have enough corks, don’t tie them down, watch those suckers fly!
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i can shoot paper targets off hand relatively accurate with all my rifles, but put me in the woods shooting squirrels and all that accuracy disappears. :o
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Don't shoot golf balls, especially at 20 yards. I have shot a few at 50 yards in the woods, but can say that is risky as well.
Paper shooting is for sure more challenging. I like the challenge of shooting 1/4" dots at 50 yards. I figure if I can hit those, I am good for hunting game. It's not something I can do with every shot, but the practice does help a lot to hone my skills.
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As any experienced airgunner knows paper targets are an instrument of the devil. I can nail antacid tablets at 30 yards all day, head shoot five squirrels in an afternoon, and blast misselto out of oak trees by hitting the twiggs. But paper is cursed! :P
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For a good, free reactive target I use wine corks. I tie about 6” of string, or fishing line to them, then staple the other end of the string to a 2’long 2x4. You can line up a bunch on the same 2x4, then set em up, and knock em down. When that gets too easy, cut them in half. The other day i shot 8 half corks with 9 shots from my 853 at 30 yds, using a scope. If you have enough corks, don’t tie them down, watch those suckers fly!
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I drink lots of wine, I'm gonna start saving corks!
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When I read paper targets this was the first thing that came to mind...
https://youtu.be/6QqBvy_yO_M
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These are excellent targets that I stick several onto a large cardboard box.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-Pcs-Stickers-Shooting-Targets-Diameter-7-5Cm-Reactive-Splatter-Target-Stick/402364650139?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/250-Pcs-Stickers-Shooting-Targets-Diameter-7-5Cm-Reactive-Splatter-Target-Stick/402364650139?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649)
(https://i.imgur.com/PG2YAcYl.jpg)
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Thank you everyone for the suggestions. I shoot offhand with RWS 48 using a fixed 4x scope. I have tried higher magnification but that only creates more movement in my offhand style shooting.
Biggest take away so far seems to try shooting at smaller (& solid targets like dots or numbers) as against bigger circular targets.
You're still moving but at 4X you don't notice it as much. Try shooting off a bench and a bag some. I seldom shoot off hand, shake too much. But all I do is punch paper. I have a friend shoots PB AR's. He loves to bust full soda or beer cans. I want the hole in the 'o' at the bottom of the 'd' in Bud Lite.
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I made up some multiple bull targets using CAD software and I use them to practice my "bucket and sticks" shooting form with my HW break barrels.
Ed, those targets you made are great! Are they available for download as a PDF or Word Doc?
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I made up some multiple bull targets using CAD software and I use them to practice my "bucket and sticks" shooting form with my HW break barrels.
Ed, those targets you made are great! Are they available for download as a PDF or Word Doc?
I have a few in pdf format.
They were created in the standard 8 1/2" 11" letter format.
email me at ncedxyz27572@hotmail.com and I reply with some attachments. (delete xyz)
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I think the hang up with paper is it’s ability to document your miss. And that can nag at a shooter…
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I think the hang up with paper is it’s ability to document your miss. And that can nag at a shooter…
Yep, like this...........
(https://i.imgur.com/4yOFU4o.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/QtULWrX.jpg)
Here I divided the target into two days shooting without warm-up shots or zeroing the second day while testing Krytox lube and oring sealed piston cap mod...........
(https://i.imgur.com/krGzp2L.jpg)
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I can definitely see a psychological effect on the shooter when it comes to the next shot. Because you’re literally staring at your miss, while trying to make a bull…
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Here I divided the target into two days shooting without warm-up shots or zeroing the second day while testing Krytox lube and oring sealed piston cap mod...........”
Ed, why the double shots on the last target? Economy or something else?
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PAINTBALLS !!!
Go to Walmart and buy a box of paintballs. 2000 of them for $25 <>.
You can probably find them cheaper online or whatever.
They are sooo fun and no clean up... they just go away with the rain.
They are aprox. 1/2" targets and you can just scatter them around or setup up a stationary fixture by drilling 3/8" dimples into a 4x4 so they don't roll around.
They give a satisfying "SPLAT" sound and green snot goes everywhere.
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PAINTBALLS !!!
Go to Walmart and buy a box of paintballs. 2000 of them for $25 <>.
You can probably find them cheaper online or whatever.
They are sooo fun and no clean up... they just go away with the rain.
They are aprox. 1/2" targets and you can just scatter them around or setup up a stationary fixture by drilling 3/8" dimples into a 4x4 so they don't roll around.
They give a satisfying "SPLAT" sound and green snot goes everywhere.
Yep, did that years ago but the PBs were glued to a piece of card stock taped cardboard backing............
(https://i.imgur.com/F0Bcs4s.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/1Re8In4.jpg)
Here is a "bucket and sticks" result under WV field conditions that proved that I had no excuse for shooting squirrels at 50 yards judging how far off some of the misses were.............
(https://i.imgur.com/CyTEDiE.jpg)
Anywhoo.......I stopped doing the PBs simply because it was too much of a hassle!
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Finding the right smallest size target without straining . I find outlined in black squares work better for me , make different sizes for different distances . Scoped and open sights.
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Paper does not lie.
You see EXACTLY how much you missed the point of aim.
For some, that is intimidating.
Like the difference between practice and match scores.
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I made up some multiple bull targets using CAD software and I use them to practice my "bucket and sticks" shooting form with my HW break barrels.
Ed, those targets you made are great! Are they available for download as a PDF or Word Doc?
Email me at xxnced27572xx@hotmailxx.com (delete X's) and I can attach some PGFs to a reply.
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I agree with Lefteyeshot, seems I shoot better groups at small targets. The size of a penny at 50-yards makes me try harder.
Be safe and have a great day,
ThomasT
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Why not just print larger targets and solve the problem ?
Worked for me ;D
Alright, I'm out of here before getting hit by a can on the head.
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PAINTBALLS !!!
Go to Walmart and buy a box of paintballs. 2000 of them for $25 <>.
You can probably find them cheaper online or whatever.
They are sooo fun and no clean up... they just go away with the rain.
They are aprox. 1/2" targets and you can just scatter them around or setup up a stationary fixture by drilling 3/8" dimples into a 4x4 so they don't roll around.
They give a satisfying "SPLAT" sound and green snot goes everywhere.
Bill I don't got to Walmart very often but next time I go there I'll probably be going after some co2 cartridges, I'll definitely remember this because when I'm at the state land I can just sit them on a downfall or something and pick them off. Much easier that putting up pinpups plus I could set my cam up to film it.
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Shooting paper can certainly become boring but when getting serious about groups and details it's the only way to go. I shoot paper a lot primarily because my paper targets are attached to a rubber mulch bin where I can reclaim the lead to recast and go again. I do use steel reactive targets for playtime and relaxation sometimes. I just place those in front of the rubber mulch bin to catch whatever lead it can. Large flat pills of lead around the reactive targets or nearby them are easy to spot too.
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Like shooting Coke cans I want the hole in the "o".
Reminds me of shooting a Crosman mark1 with my dad. He set up pepsi cans and said, "shoot that first P in Pepsi."
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Bill that's exactly the kind of thing I'll do when I'm out in the woods, I'll collect up some shotgun shells, sit those on a log and pick them off 8)
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As Keith pointed out shooting paper can certainly become boring but when I'm serious about tight groups and logging the details about a certain rifle/scope/pellet combination it's the only way to go. I shoot paper primarily to sight in and tweak a scope's zero. Also I shoot paper when determining a favorite pellet for a particular gun.
Mostly I shoot reactive targets, my spinners and little shillottes, they're just fun to shoot. I'll start at 25 yards, then gradually move out to 40 yards. For my more accurate rifles I shoot at 60 yds. It's never boring, if it gets too easy I'll just move the targets back some or shoot at smaller targets.
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After I get zeroed for plinking I like shooting wine bottle corks at 25 yards to test my zero.
I have plenty of wine corks also and they are just a great bio-degradable and challenging target. Sparkling wine corks are my favorite with their weird shape, they are a bit easier to hit and tend to take more shots before falling apart entirely.