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Xraycer:
I'm really on the fence with this gun. I'm really surprised it has taken the airgun industry this long to utilize airsoft technology (AEG) that's been around for a long, long time.
What's holding me back?
1. A premium all metal, high end electronics, high end component airsoft rifle is in the neighborhood of around $400. The price of the 400e is just very steep for an unproven, first generation product.

2. In airsoft, the magazine capacity starts at 120 rounds. These magazines are probably the same design used by the 400e. So, why isn't it at a higher capacity? Why 50 round on full auto is fun, 120-150 rounds on full auto is significantly more fun!

3. ?Parts availability?

I love my M4/AR platform, but I think I'm going to wait, and listen to feedbacks on long-term reviews before pulling the trigger.

Turbinator:

--- Quote from: Xraycer on June 06, 2022, 04:58:09 PM ---I'm really on the fence with this gun. I'm really surprised it has taken the airgun industry this long to utilize airsoft technology (AEG) that's been around for a long, long time.
What's holding me back?
1. A premium all metal, high end electronics, high end component airsoft rifle is in the neighborhood of around $400. The price of the 400e is just very steep for an unproven, first generation product.
--- End quote ---

I hear ya.  However, what made me decide to act is pretty much what you outlined above - the tech and design has been around for a long time.  If they're leveraging what already exists, then in truth, the design is already proven through years of Tokyo Marui (and others) engineering.  I don't know that the 400e leverages existing designs however, so I am only speculating.

As for the price being steep, I paid over $500 for my first AEG somewhere around 1998 / 1999.  That was a TM MP5A2 imported from Asia with full trades.  I guess I didn't consider $350 to be too steep.


--- Quote ---2. In airsoft, the magazine capacity starts at 120 rounds. These magazines are probably the same design used by the 400e. So, why isn't it at a higher capacity? Why 50 round on full auto is fun, 120-150 rounds on full auto is significantly more fun!
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The spring & follower fed airsoft magazines I have aren't at 120 rounds.  The reservoir + spring tensioned design mags I have do hold more than 120 bb's, sure.  However, coming from a place where I am currently shooting 1 shot at a time through 1377's or repeater style through my 2100, having 50 rounds semi or full auto is a huge improvement.


--- Quote ---3. ?Parts availability?
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Granted, unknown at this point.


--- Quote ---I love my M4/AR platform, but I think I'm going to wait, and listen to feedbacks on long-term reviews before pulling the trigger.

--- End quote ---

Fair enough.  I will be one to help give feedback :)

Turby

Xraycer:

--- Quote from: Turbinator on June 07, 2022, 12:45:47 PM ---
I hear ya.  However, what made me decide to act is pretty much what you outlined above - the tech and design has been around for a long time.  If they're leveraging what already exists, then in truth, the design is already proven through years of Tokyo Marui (and others) engineering.  I don't know that the 400e leverages existing designs however, so I am only speculating.
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I'm not confident of anything that's first generation regardless of how long the technology has been around.


--- Quote from: Turbinator on June 07, 2022, 12:45:47 PM ---
As for the price being steep, I paid over $500 for my first AEG somewhere around 1998 / 1999.  That was a TM MP5A2 imported from Asia with full trades.  I guess I didn't consider $350 to be too steep.
--- End quote ---
I suppose this is just like TV technology. I remember when 27" flat panels were a few thousand bucks. Today, you can a 70" screen for under $1K.


--- Quote from: Turbinator on June 07, 2022, 12:45:47 PM ---
The spring & follower fed airsoft magazines I have aren't at 120 rounds.  The reservoir + spring tensioned design mags I have do hold more than 120 bb's, sure.  However, coming from a place where I am currently shooting 1 shot at a time through 1377's or repeater style through my 2100, having 50 rounds semi or full auto is a huge improvement.


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I've owned the Crosman DPMS SBR for a few years now, and the 25round mag on full auto hardly even qualifies as a tease.

Geo Schoonmaker:
Your speculation is correct, a high percentage of parts can be taken from airsoft gearboxes and used in our gearbox. The primary difference between the two is the amount of force our gearbox was designed to withstand long term. This gives the possibility of adjusting your power, rate of fire, etc. at the expense of voiding your warranty. Springs, guides, pistons, piston heads, cylinders, cylinder heads can all be swapped between the two. If you really know your gearboxes, other gearsets and motors can be used to help you achieve your desired tuning goals.

I agree about the magazine capacity. Unfortunately, steel BBs don't feed as effortlessly as airsoft BBs do. The 50 rounds combined with the ROF we achieved is nice, much better than my CO2 full auto BB guns, but I still want more. It will come. Compared to my previous favorite BB gun (Daisy model 35), 50 rounds in semi auto is great. In the meantime, I've been testing the limits of the platform so we can offer the best balance between magazine capacity and life of the AEG. The 120 to 150 rounds mentioned does indeed seem feasible.

We are working on stocking spare parts for all of our products. This has been a bit of a challenge between port congestion and the gun control laws in the countries we manufacture in (some parts can't be airmailed), so it will be some time before I'm happy with our levels in that regard. We have no problem taking care of any warranty repairs, but having enough on hand for the incurable tinkerers like myself is an ongoing challenge. Luckily for this one, there are a ton of existing parts from the airsoft world that can scratch that itch for me.

Xraycer:
Great info, Geo!

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