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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #20 on: March 05, 2021, 01:01:11 PM »
Ernie, one of my neighbors raised pigeons in a cage in his backyard.  Once, he gave me a couple that were fresh dressed.  They were delicious.  Ever since that time, I have been looking for a place to harvest some wild ones for comparison.  I also have eaten the Eurasian Collared Doves which taste very similar to Mourning Doves, just larger. 
A friend here in Tennessee told me he had some pigeons roosting in his tractor shed for a while.  But his cat solved his problem before I had a chance to get any.  :(
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #21 on: March 05, 2021, 01:28:57 PM »
I've run across people who can't believe others actually eat squirrels. They just can't seem to believe it's good meat. It takes a change of mindset. I guess that's where I'm at with pigeons....shudder. LOL
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #22 on: March 05, 2021, 02:13:48 PM »
Allan, bringing back this old thread is a good thing.
I hunted Mourning Doves in South Louisiana where/when the 1st Season started on Labor Day.  And back then, the open/shooting time was Noon.  Doves were taken all afternoon and placed in the game bag with no refrigeration.  Often the air temperature was in the mid-90s or higher.  After dark, when we got home after the hunt, we would sit under the carport light and clean our Doves, wash them at the back faucet, and bring them inside to be refrigerated until my mother could cook them.  Many seasons followed that same scenario.  I have eaten Doves prepared that way many times.  And I am here to tell the story.  You might check my profile to see how many years I have.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #23 on: March 05, 2021, 03:08:46 PM »
kinda curious.. when I first got to Alaska and was being told how to prepare grouse I thought they were joking. Stand on the wings and pull the feet and you get all the guts separated from the breasts and wings. Does this work on smaller birds like pigeons too?

I’ve done a pigeon once. Would do it again, just never got around to it.

Had phone google on one side and dead bird on other. First set of instructions said pluck feathers to cook bird in skin- the end result was taking a LONG time and making a big mess.

Looked for different instructions. Faster instructions said cut the belly open, pull skin to side and cut the breast out.
Much better and faster.
Like a miniature chicken with dark purple breast.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #24 on: March 05, 2021, 03:12:32 PM »
I'm new to this. Bear with me.... 😊


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I'm very interested in this topic as well, since Rock Pigeon is one of the very few edible game I can shoot year-round.  (That, and Woodchuck.)

I typically hike through the mountains for a few miles before I get to the legal hunting areas, since I can do that bt walking from my house.  So carrying an ice chest is not very convenient.  I've though about some smallish dry ice container,  but I'd still like to know if there's a "hard" answer to this question.

I’d put one or two frozen water bottles in a back pack. Put game in backpack with frozen water bottles. Problem solved.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #25 on: March 05, 2021, 03:46:29 PM »
Backpack idea is a good one. I'd use a gallon size (optimistic on number of kills) zip lock bag and just breast them out and put in backpack with frozen bottles. That would keep the meat fresh and the pack clean.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #26 on: March 05, 2021, 05:28:18 PM »
I have hunted doves countless times. But I've never heard of anyone actually eating pigeons. I've wondered how much different than a dove they would be, but I just never knew anyone really ate them. They always seem to be in such dirty places it seems.

They're the same family.

Columbidae is a bird family consisting of pigeons and doves. It is the only family in the order Columbiformes. These are stout-bodied birds with short necks, and short slender bills that in some species feature fleshy ceres. They primarily feed on seeds, fruits, and plants.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #27 on: March 05, 2021, 08:18:26 PM »
Allan, bringing back this old thread is a good thing.

I hunted Mourning Doves in South Louisiana where/when the 1st Season started on Labor Day.  And back then, the open/shooting time was Noon.  Doves were taken all afternoon and placed in the game bag with no refrigeration. 
Often the air temperature was in the mid-90s or higher
After dark, when we got home after the hunt, we would sit under the carport light and clean our Doves.
Many seasons followed that same scenario.  I have eaten Doves prepared that way many times.  And I am here to tell the story.  You might check my profile to see how many years I have.

Mike, you are the man! THANKS!  😊

You've given me confidence that I won't have to stop killing and start cleaning, if I want to eat my birds!  👍🏼

The frozen water bottle thing is a good add-on.




🔶 Last year I had one day at the hight of Summer with an incredible amount of pigeons and a new permission.
The birds were so adorably dumb, sticking around as I picked off one after another from their perches. 🤦🏻‍♂️   
They just have a bird brain, what did I expect?! 😄 


Well, that day I was somewhat in a killing frenzy, and could not see myself stopping and dressing pigeons. 💀 
Frankly, I'm still grossed out by it. 🙄 
(Give me another year to numb that feeling down some more).


I don't remember how many hours it took for me to get home with 2 crates of pigeons (yes, I am extremely thankful to have that kind of access!). The first birds I estimate were dead for at least 10 hours, laying in the sun for most of that time.


🔶 When I had all the breasts lines up beside the sink, I did the smell test (that was pre-covid, my nose was working then!)  About a handful did not pass and ended up in the garbage instead of my stomach.



😊  ➔ Thanks to Mike, I now know that I wasn't lucky to have survived those pigeon breast meals. It's just that the meat does not go bad that quickly. 👍🏼 

Matthias


PS:  On bird brains and dumb pigeons:
Yeah, about that. I feel dumb for underestimating those pigeons. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 
A few more visits to that sight, and the pigeons recognize my car. And they recognize that I'm aiming my rifle at them.
And they don't wait around anymore for me to fill up two crates with their dead bodies. 😖 
Now I need to build elaborate hunting blinds to at least get a few of the less smart ones...! 😄
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #28 on: March 05, 2021, 08:22:20 PM »
I have hunted doves countless times. But I've never heard of anyone actually eating pigeons. I've wondered how much different than a dove they would be, but I just never knew anyone really ate them. They always seem to be in such dirty places it seems.

Counter to that?

How many people do you know have poor diets yet still live into their 70’s?

My experience is both ECDs and Pigeons love millet.
I like millet also, but mine is dehusked.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #29 on: March 05, 2021, 10:31:41 PM »
Allan, bringing back this old thread is a good thing.

I hunted Mourning Doves in South Louisiana where/when the 1st Season started on Labor Day.  And back then, the open/shooting time was Noon.  Doves were taken all afternoon and placed in the game bag with no refrigeration. 
Often the air temperature was in the mid-90s or higher
After dark, when we got home after the hunt, we would sit under the carport light and clean our Doves.
Many seasons followed that same scenario.  I have eaten Doves prepared that way many times.  And I am here to tell the story.  You might check my profile to see how many years I have.

Mike, you are the man! THANKS!  😊

You've given me confidence that I won't have to stop killing and start cleaning, if I want to eat my birds!  👍🏼

The frozen water bottle thing is a good add-on.




🔶 Last year I had one day at the hight of Summer with an incredible amount of pigeons and a new permission.
The birds were so adorably dumb, sticking around as I picked off one after another from their perches. 🤦🏻‍♂️   
They just have a bird brain, what did I expect?! 😄 


Well, that day I was somewhat in a killing frenzy, and could not see myself stopping and dressing pigeons. 💀 
Frankly, I'm still grossed out by it. 🙄 
(Give me another year to numb that feeling down some more).


I don't remember how many hours it took for me to get home with 2 crates of pigeons (yes, I am extremely thankful to have that kind of access!). The first birds I estimate were dead for at least 10 hours, laying in the sun for most of that time.


🔶 When I had all the breasts lines up beside the sink, I did the smell test (that was pre-covid, my nose was working then!)  About a handful did not pass and ended up in the garbage instead of my stomach.



😊  ➔ Thanks to Mike, I now know that I wasn't lucky to have survived those pigeon breast meals. It's just that the meat does not go bad that quickly. 👍🏼 

Matthias


PS:  On bird brains and dumb pigeons:
Yeah, about that. I feel dumb for underestimating those pigeons. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 
A few more visits to that sight, and the pigeons recognize my car. And they recognize that I'm aiming my rifle at them.
And they don't wait around anymore for me to fill up two crates with their dead bodies. 😖 
Now I need to build elaborate hunting blinds to at least get a few of the less smart ones...! 😄

Also depends on the bird.
Crows figure that stuff out immediately. And they’ll remember you killed their brother forever.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #30 on: March 05, 2021, 11:08:00 PM »
I’ve carried dove and quail around in a game pouch for three or four hours without ill effect.   My younger brother uses a field cleaning technique that is a little gross but highly efficient.  Pull both wings back with one hand.  Insert the index finger of the other hand into the bird’s anus.  Push up until your finger is under the breast bone then pull up to rip the breast completely out.  The thin skin splits easily and the breast comes out quickly and cleanly.  Once you learn the technique it is surprisingly easy.  He carries a ziplock bag for the dressed birds.  I prefer quail to dove for flavor but feral pigeon is not bad at all when it is prepared well.  Any recipe for “Squab” will work.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #31 on: March 06, 2021, 12:41:53 AM »
Allan, bringing back this old thread is a good thing.

I hunted Mourning Doves in South Louisiana where/when the 1st Season started on Labor Day.  And back then, the open/shooting time was Noon.  Doves were taken all afternoon and placed in the game bag with no refrigeration. 
Often the air temperature was in the mid-90s or higher
After dark, when we got home after the hunt, we would sit under the carport light and clean our Doves.
Many seasons followed that same scenario.  I have eaten Doves prepared that way many times.  And I am here to tell the story.  You might check my profile to see how many years I have.

Mike, you are the man! THANKS!  😊

You've given me confidence that I won't have to stop killing and start cleaning, if I want to eat my birds!  👍🏼

The frozen water bottle thing is a good add-on.




🔶 Last year I had one day at the hight of Summer with an incredible amount of pigeons and a new permission.
The birds were so adorably dumb, sticking around as I picked off one after another from their perches. 🤦🏻‍♂️   
They just have a bird brain, what did I expect?! 😄 


Well, that day I was somewhat in a killing frenzy, and could not see myself stopping and dressing pigeons. 💀 
Frankly, I'm still grossed out by it. 🙄 
(Give me another year to numb that feeling down some more).


I don't remember how many hours it took for me to get home with 2 crates of pigeons (yes, I am extremely thankful to have that kind of access!). The first birds I estimate were dead for at least 10 hours, laying in the sun for most of that time.


🔶 When I had all the breasts lines up beside the sink, I did the smell test (that was pre-covid, my nose was working then!)  About a handful did not pass and ended up in the garbage instead of my stomach.



😊  ➔ Thanks to Mike, I now know that I wasn't lucky to have survived those pigeon breast meals. It's just that the meat does not go bad that quickly. 👍🏼 

Matthias


PS:  On bird brains and dumb pigeons:
Yeah, about that. I feel dumb for underestimating those pigeons. 🤦🏻‍♂️ 
A few more visits to that sight, and the pigeons recognize my car. And they recognize that I'm aiming my rifle at them.
And they don't wait around anymore for me to fill up two crates with their dead bodies. 😖 
Now I need to build elaborate hunting blinds to at least get a few of the less smart ones...! 😄

Matthias,

Did you do the B3 post for Tom Gaylord a long time ago? It was a good post. I might be remembering wrong who wrote it.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #32 on: March 06, 2021, 02:56:35 AM »
Sam, 😊
thanks for the cudos, but no, I haven't written that article for Tom Gaylord's blog....
Nice that you're going on Tom's websites: 👍🏼 
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I've never met Tom, but he has helped me so much when I was getting started into airgunning!!  Just amazing what he knows and how he writes it all out, easy to digest! 👍🏼 

I finally contacted him to tell him, and he was super nice! 😊



🔶Anyhow, seems like this hobby has attracted some real gems of people (and of course, scum is everywhere, even in AG... 😄).   

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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #33 on: March 06, 2021, 03:15:53 AM »
Sam, 😊
thanks for the cudos, but no, I haven't written that article for Tom Gaylord's blog....
Nice that you're going on Tom's websites: 👍🏼 
▪ http://TheGodfatherOfAirguns.com 
https://www.pyramydair.com/blog     

I've never met Tom, but he has helped me so much when I was getting started into airgunning!!  Just amazing what he knows and how he writes it all out, easy to digest! 👍🏼 

I finally contacted him to tell him, and he was super nice! 😊



🔶Anyhow, seems like this hobby has attracted some real gems of people (and of course, scum is everywhere, even in AG... 😄).   

Matthias

Extremely low amount of bad apples here. In context I only define bad apples as buyers or sellers trying to rip people off or get law involved in victimless game warden violations.

I don’t view political or religious bickering as scum or offensive because I guess we all suffer from some level of indoctrination we are or are not awakening out of.

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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
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I’ve carried dove and quail around in a game pouch for three or four hours without ill effect.   My younger brother uses a field cleaning technique that is a little gross but highly efficient.  Pull both wings back with one hand.  Insert the index finger of the other hand into the bird’s anus.  Push up until your finger is under the breast bone then pull up to rip the breast completely out.  The thin skin splits easily and the breast comes out quickly and cleanly.  Once you learn the technique it is surprisingly easy.  He carries a ziplock bag for the dressed birds.  I prefer quail to dove for flavor but feral pigeon is not bad at all when it is prepared well.  Any recipe for “Squab” will work.
Good morning, Carter.  I hunted Quail (Bob White) with my father and our good friend a few times.  And being a winter hunt, one would have thought there would have been no problem with carrying the dead birds for several hours before cleaning.  But Dad would 'field dress' his kills and bag them in ZIPLOC bags to keep the flavor clean.  Quail have a great flavor and are really tasty when wrapped in bacon.  (But what isn't!)
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #35 on: March 06, 2021, 09:37:53 AM »
I'd make sure you know where there coming from.  You they can thrive in a cespool.   Like can drink the most polluted water like it pigeon champaign and happy fly off unfazed.  You know they can near fly around the world and stop to rest eat drink anywhere clean or toxic.

Not to discourage you on hunting and eating what you kill. But ...

https://preppingplanet.com/can-you-eat-city-pigeons/
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #36 on: March 06, 2021, 11:48:12 AM »
Deeco, thanks for that article. City pigeons is what I think of when I cringe at eating them. Since I've always lived in a city that's what I know of them.
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Re: How long can I wait with dressing and refrigerating pigeons?
« Reply #37 on: March 06, 2021, 12:43:44 PM »
I am late to this thread but, if you havent gutted them by now, better throw them out. Fowl have the stinkiest guts of any animal in my opinion. Quail, pheasant, Grouse, dove, piegon  ect= cut and cool ASAP
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« Reply #38 on: March 06, 2021, 12:55:54 PM »
https://runnermag.ca/2020/04/this-canadian-man-eats-pigeons-for-the-planet/

This guy keeps them and feeds them for awhile.

I heard where dogs are eaten they are fed white rice for a while to clean out their insides before harvest.
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« Reply #39 on: March 06, 2021, 01:03:22 PM »
https://runnermag.ca/2020/04/this-canadian-man-eats-pigeons-for-the-planet/

This guy keeps them and feeds them for awhile.

I heard where dogs are eaten they are fed white rice for a while to clean out their insides before harvest.


My grandpa used to race them.  He tend them in a pen and would let them out and used a long pole and slash it around in the air and the pigeons  follow that  , they could turn on a dime and fast..  he liked to give them a good workout.
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