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I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« on: May 15, 2021, 08:53:07 PM »
I do not shoot wad cutter type pellets! I know from the past of shooting some they do not over penetrate in some rifles tuned to certain power levels, I'm trying to find a pellet that shoots as good as the Domed pellets Crosman that shoot from my HW rifles! any suggestions? 8)
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #1 on: May 15, 2021, 09:13:45 PM »
My HW30S really likes H&N Finale Match Lights. They are a 7.87 grain wadcutter. I shoot them almost exclusively in that rifle.
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2021, 09:47:00 PM »
RWS R10 Rifle and RWS Supermags are great for close in pests. The Supermags are surprisingly accurate @ 25 yards in several of my German rifles.
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2021, 09:50:18 PM »
I'll second what Bill posted.  The Finales are the most accurate pellet out of my HW30 out to 25 yds. Past that i switch to domes.


They also shoot quite well from my HW100 BP-K.
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2021, 09:55:17 PM »
Another brand I've not personally tried but have been decently spoken of both for price and quality are Vogel pellets. They do some big bucket of bulk pellets and good pricing.

https://vogelusa.com/pellets.html

I've been pretty happy with my JSB match wadcutters.
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #5 on: May 15, 2021, 09:58:33 PM »
Wadcutters are like any other pellet in that you'll have to experiment a bit to find one your gun likes. My10m match pistols love the R10s and Finale and do well with the Meisters, too. The Crosman wad cutters, though, forget it.
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #6 on: May 15, 2021, 10:02:15 PM »
I have yet to receive my first HW at this time, so please take this with a grain of salt. Hopefully this information won't be too redundant.

First off, you may have to cut your range expectations compared to domes. My D350 does exceptionally well with wadcutters (and Crosman destroyers), but only just past 35 yards (38) for "plinking purposes". What I mean by that is 1.5" spinners, tin cans and the occasional HOSP. This is with a 14-15ftlb. tune. As I push out further they seem unable to maintain accuracy. Wind plays a huge factor also, anymore than a light breeze I have to shorten the range. Slower guns(6-10fpe) do seem to do much better with wadcutters, especially if the bore is on the tighter side. I have a 5 fpe gun that could hit tin cans consistently out to 50 yards, but only if there was no breeze (and a lot of drop). It has an extremely tight and even bore.

So to answer your question, RWS Supermags and their 8.2gr siblings are a good place to start. Some like the light 7gr wadcutters (the name escapes me at the moment) but I have yet to try them. Daisy and Winchester seem to do "OK" if the bore is relatively (medium) tight. They're cheap so worth trying. Crosman wadcutters in milk carton do very well if you have a very tight bore as they tend to run on the small side. The Excite wadcutters I have tried were harder lead and do well with medium bores at lower speeds (500-600fps). My overall favorites are the Beeman wadcutters, partially due to their price and they did well with medium and looser bores. With tight bores I needed a pellet seater. All these are in .177, my expirence with .22 wadcutters has not been well with any springers/ram guns. Just pumpers and only ok.

So I guess find a wadcutter that fits the bore snug to tight and don't overdrive them. They destabilise much quicker than domes and are best suited for target to 10-15 yards and plinking beyond, but there are always exceptions.
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #7 on: May 15, 2021, 10:25:44 PM »
My HW30 177 loves the R10s and the inexpensive HN Excites.
My 95 22 loves Meister 14 gr
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #8 on: May 15, 2021, 11:25:06 PM »
HN match rifles are very good, I use to hunt with them.  JSB makes good ones also and RWS.

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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2021, 05:31:54 AM »
Thank you for the feed back, What is good in the HW .22cal barrels? Kurt what are those pellets your talking about? ;D
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2021, 05:45:20 AM »
I've shot thousands of these wad cutters with my co2 pistols, they shoot well from about any c02 gun too, I've used them for getting rid of red squirrels in my back yard on many occasions.
They are on the heavy side and it does take a knack to casting them as well but if you're a doityourselfer these in my opinion are a good option for making your own.



 
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2021, 05:50:40 AM »
Wayne that is just awesome! what all is entailed with that? ;D
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2021, 06:00:20 AM »
Mark I've always kept it simple since I first started casting back in the middle 70's for my muzzle loaders.  I use a 4lb pot, a hooded ladle and pure lead.
Here's a link to pressure pouring that I've always used for casting with lead  https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=179522.0
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #13 on: May 16, 2021, 07:01:09 AM »
Wayne that is just awesome! what all is entailed with that? ;D

Wayne is the one that inspired me to start casting. I started out with a 4lb pot and a ladle too. It really is that simple, and the video he linked shows a master at work.

I've moved up to bigger bottom pour pots now because I'm casting for all my PBs too. I still think the 4lber and ladle is the way to go for small pellets.
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #14 on: May 16, 2021, 07:28:53 AM »
Thank you for the feed back, What is good in the HW .22cal barrels? Kurt what are those pellets your talking about? ;D

https://www.pyramydair.com/product/rws-meisterkugeln-standard-22-cal-14-0-grains-wadcutter-250ct?p=788

They fit nice, although no size listed. My 22 bore seems to need 5.52 - 5.54
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #15 on: May 16, 2021, 07:38:00 AM »
Another brand I've not personally tried but have been decently spoken of both for price and quality are Vogel pellets. They do some big bucket of bulk pellets and good pricing.

https://vogelusa.com/pellets.html

I've been pretty happy with my JSB match wadcutters.
Skip the Vogels. They changed hands and aren't the same pellets anymore. I just bought 5000 of their Green Label Match pellets based on a recommendation and now they are no better than the regular old milk carton Crosman wadcutters. Yesterday my Hw50 was shooting half inch or better with three different dome pellets at 25 yards. The best that the Vogels did was inch and half.
Now I have 80 dollars worth of plinking ammo.  :(
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2021, 07:41:30 AM »
Another brand I've not personally tried but have been decently spoken of both for price and quality are Vogel pellets. They do some big bucket of bulk pellets and good pricing.

https://vogelusa.com/pellets.html

I've been pretty happy with my JSB match wadcutters.
Skip the Vogels they changed hands and aren't the same pellets. I just bought 5000 of their Green Label Match pellets and they are no better than the regular old milk carton Crosman wadcutters. Yesterday my Hw50 was shooting half inch or better with three different dome pellets at 25 yards. The best Vogels did was inch and half.
Now I have 80 dollars worth of plinking ammo.  :(

Have you tried them at 10m? Iíve been tempted by those, but not so much now.
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2021, 09:20:57 AM »
In .177, Academy Sports had RWS R10 on the shelf for like $8 a tin around here. I bought up a bunch and they are excellent pellets. My HW55T likes them well. Worth a look if you have one nearby.

Only one's I've used in .22 were the JSB Exacts in my Ataman pistol.

Excellent pellets, but no idea if they will work in a Weihrauch .22........probably not since ".22 caliber" Weihrauchs are actually .23 caliber  ;D
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Re: I have a question! Which wad cutters?
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2021, 09:43:24 AM »
The RWS-Meisterkugeln shoot the best in any of my guns.
Better than the more expensive R-10.
The H&N Sport are so-so as are the Creedmoore  / Vogels / Eley wadcutters
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« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2021, 10:23:01 AM »
I'm another fan of Meisterkugeln. My Daisy 901 loves them.
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