Does a .25 springer/gasram add any value over a .22 ? And the simple answer is "no".
I have a Hatsan 135 carnivore ! The HW90 cant be as bad as that beast!
Quote from: triggerfest on June 03, 2021, 04:03:25 PM Does a .25 springer/gasram add any value over a .22 ? And the simple answer is "no".Not quite true. Over the past year or so I've gone through the trouble here of providing quotes and links by prominent airgunners who use the .25 cal precisely because it affords value over a .22 cal. I'm not going there again, since no-one listens, anyway. But reports such as jackrabbits at 30 yards dropping dead with a single body shot with a .25 cal springer, or crows at tree tops being killed by .25 cals with a hit anywhere in the torso, or how terminal ballistics, especially in wind, are simply better in the .25 cal, or the fact that those springers that are designed as .25 cal, as opposed to having a .25 cal barrel slapped on a .22 cal powerplant, even shoot several fpe harder in .25 cal than in .22 cal. I haven't had the chance to shoot .25 cals extensively yet, but I will. I would already have a .25 cal Fenix 400, if such replacement barrels had been available a year back (they have been since). I would also have an English Webley Patriot .25 cal, if British gun shops would sell them to me (I've tried). I would also have a .25 cal Walther Falcon Hunter, if a single specimen with that bore had come my way. As it is, I'm in the process of breaking in and sighting in my solo .25 cal, a Hatsan 135. It has oodles of promise, pointing better than my 600-dollar German guns, and based on my history with medium-power, econo-class .22 cals, there is basically zero chance it does not fit my open sight use environment very well. Many .25 cal PCPs do not shoot any faster, flatter or with more KE than this springer. They are simply easier to shoot, as well as uglier and daintier.
Rudy, you speaking to someone who has yrs of experience shooting AG's on small game! Rabbits are soft as cotton just like shooting birds! G-Hogs are harder to kill then rabbits! and I have shot plenty of G-Hogs! at 75yds! with a Diana 460mag! in .22cal with a 14.3gn Crosman pellet! Squirrels are tougher to kill then a rabbit! with a body shot! even with a .22cal rimfire body shot a squirrel will run off up in a tree and die!! where you cannot get it!!! I understand the lure of the .25cal but its for a PCP not a spring gun!
You already have to compensate on longer ranges with your mill dots more than with .22, so if you have to compensate for wind as well... On longer distances, then you probably have to be a world class shooter to do that accurately if you want a clean kill. Trust me, I know some of that class of Hunter Field Target shooters that already suffer on longer ranges (+40yrds)
Quote from: triggerfest on June 03, 2021, 05:57:38 PMYou already have to compensate on longer ranges with your mill dots more than with .22, so if you have to compensate for wind as well... On longer distances, then you probably have to be a world class shooter to do that accurately if you want a clean kill. Trust me, I know some of that class of Hunter Field Target shooters that already suffer on longer ranges (+40yrds)Mill dots, pill dots. Slightly curvier trajectories are very much a scope user problem. I don't use optics on my airguns, and never have. I have zero issues with hitting targets at between 12 feet and 60 yards with open sights, with .25 cal springer velocities. Only when my eyes start to fail with old age will I don a scope. FT isn't hunting, any more than 3D shoots in archery are. They are mere play versions of the real thing, re: obstructions, time pressure, penetration issues etc. What FT shooters use doesn't interest me, as I'm not into that type of airgunning. That sport uses .177 cal and high-power scopes, and them not using .25 cals doesn't prove anything with regards to the field applicability of open sight .25 cal springers.
The only Type of scopes that are going to hold up to a gun like this is good fixed power scope like SWFA Super Sniper! OR a Bushnell and not a cheap 1 either! I only sold that rifle because I'm not interested in the .25cal at all in a spring gun! I have no reason to have a gun like this! Nor do I want a wall hanger, I have had my run with the .25cal in some of the best spring guns out there its not for me, IMO anything a .25cal can do a .22cal can do better, given a same weight pellet and equal power plant, Even a Diana 54 suffers the same scope issues with breakage or not holding zero, When you buy a hard shooting power plant rifle like this these are the things to be expected, it's called a learning experience, and why I try to steer people away from buying guns like this! unless you know what your getting into?