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The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« on: March 24, 2021, 01:00:59 PM »
can be found here:

https://www.diana-airguns.de/fileadmin/Editoren/PDF-Downloads/Publkationen/DIANA_Katalog_2021_web.pdf

A FEW comments to start off the conversation:

- The 280 is OFF the catalogue, there may be some remaining in stock, but it has been definitely dropped.
- The 54 Pro is now the Flagship of the "Performance" line (made in Germany).
- The K98 spring version has also been dropped, it is now available ONLY in PCP format under the "Action" line (Made in CHINA).
- The 350 Mag, Classic and Panther remain, as do the 48, 460, and LP-8
- There is a new LP-5 (spring-piston pistol) part of the Action line.
- Stormrider, Bandit, Airbug, Trailscout, Chaser, 240, 250, 260, 21 and Eleven, as well as the Oktoberfest Gewehr round the Action line.
- DIANA now has a RF action, suitable for both lengths of RF 0.22's.

Bunch of fun accessories round up the catalogue.

Hope you find it amusing to peruse.

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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #1 on: March 24, 2021, 01:05:06 PM »
Mr. M, does the D54 AK come only in red laminate?

I am partial to BLUE and FOREST CAMO  ;D

Gracias, Senor!
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #2 on: March 24, 2021, 03:23:38 PM »
So if I’m reading this correctly  the performance line is made in Germany and the action line is made in China. I hope the quality is up to Diana standards on the MIC stuff.
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #3 on: March 24, 2021, 04:38:32 PM »
Thanks for sharing !

And missing a lot of PCP models, while that is still the direction of the market ?
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« Reply #4 on: March 24, 2021, 04:42:41 PM »
Thank you Hector.  :D
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #5 on: March 24, 2021, 04:48:06 PM »
Mr. M, does the D54 AK come only in red laminate?

I am partial to BLUE and FOREST CAMO  ;D

Gracias, Senor!

Forest Camo would be nice to have.
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #6 on: March 24, 2021, 05:49:12 PM »
No 340 or 350 n-tec, did Diana stop making them?
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #7 on: March 24, 2021, 06:24:54 PM »
Thanks Hector.
 Glad the 48 is still there, an amazing rifle to me.
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #8 on: March 24, 2021, 06:46:20 PM »
I am glad I got my 280 when I did. I really love this rifle. Does this mean parts will be difficult to get? I suppose so.

It seems Diana has abandoned the modest power levels in springers unless you want one from China. I guess that goes along with the obsession for MORE POWER.
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #9 on: March 24, 2021, 06:56:39 PM »
Mr. M, does the D54 AK come only in red laminate?

I am partial to BLUE and FOREST CAMO  ;D

Gracias, Senor!

Forest Camo would be nice to have.

At least we have an excuse for not getting one  ;D
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #10 on: March 24, 2021, 08:29:12 PM »
Mr. M, does the D54 AK come only in red laminate?

I am partial to BLUE and FOREST CAMO  ;D

Gracias, Senor!

Forest Camo would be nice to have.

At least we have an excuse for not getting one  ;D

I don't know but that beech stock looks very nice too. i like the shape of the forearm.
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #11 on: March 25, 2021, 11:09:58 AM »
Thanks, guys!

General replies:

The 340 and 350 NTec have been dropped, BUT NOT THE PARTS. Especially the NTec units (3 parts in the unit) will still be available as a spare part and as an upgrade/change part for the EMS system in the case of the short NTec gas spring.
Please understand that once we have the "Premium" stock for the 34 EMS, there will be almost no aesthetic difference with the past 340 Premium, and the technical and practical advantages will go to the 34 EMS.

The 54 Laminate stock for the time being is only available in red, Perhaps in the future we can offer more variety. DIANA water-based/eco-friendly finish is perfectly "dippable", so any company that does aftermarket camo-ing can get the stock done to the customers' wishes and desires, so no, it is not an excuse to not get one, LOL!
In our market research and focus groups, the red one received the best ratings, then a black/grey variation (tactical), and then an olive / brown / light orange combination (autumn forest) came in third. The 54 is, worldwide, perceived more as a target gun than a hunting gun, so I guess that "colored" (pun intended)  the choices and election results.
The beech stock is really nice and the design is a great offhand/field design. The shape of the forearm will, from now on, be an "identifier" of a DIANA airgun.
We're still WAY BEHIND on the 0.177" cal 54's, so the secondary stock color choices will POSSIBLY happen (IF they happen) next year, and BTW, Blue will possibly never happen, LOL!  ;-)

YES, the Performance line is made in Germany, the Action line is made in China. DIANA has had "boots on the ground" with SnowPeakAirguns for the last 5 years, and I THINK, they are starting to understand. It has been a long, and sometimes frustrating, process. I would imagine the former statement is true for BOTH parties, LOL! BUT I do think there is good will to continue with the "partnership" and that bodes well for specialty items like the Stormrider that is in a class of its own as far as weight/bulk-power combination. It also opens avenues to explore, like the LP-5 that should be a fun platform on which to build nice carbines. We'll see.
In the end, those that want quality for shooting and hunting can get it under DIANA brand, and those that want toys to tinker with can also get them under the DIANA brand.

We are working hard on the PCP's side, but following 130 years of tradition, we want the PCP's to be an innovative extension of existing models. They should "FEEL LIKE A DIANA" and they should "WORK AS A DIANA". So, we are taking our time to test and test and re-test the concepts and the HMI (Human-Machine-Interfase),  so that when we hit the market, people will recognize them for what they are: a DIANA.
Hopefully, next year's catalogue, after IWA 2022 will start bearing the good news.

The 48 is probably the "workhorse" of the Performance line. It ticks many of the boxes that airgunners worldwide look for and it is an incredibly versatile platform. It is also, somewhat inexpensive, given that it is a 100% European gun.
So, yes the 48 will still be there. And yes, it is a great gun.

Parts for the 280 and other dropped model will still be available.  We are still supporting guns that are more than 50 years old so don't worry. Also, the fact that MOST parts interchange with other models and; that we have designed the EMS to incorporate some parts directly without major modifications to the guns, means that, even if the gun is not "collection grade/historically complete" it can still be made to work and provide enjoyment.
Just as a specific example: IF a 280 were to fail 4 years from now, and, for whatever reason, there were no parts to service the T06 trigger, a simple change of piston, trigger block, and steel-spring guide to EMS specs and you're back in business!

Thanks for your comments, thanks for looking!

Keep well and shoot straight!







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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #12 on: March 25, 2021, 12:11:44 PM »
Thanks for the update, Hector. I really like the 54s, the Red Lam .22 is on my “Bucket List”... but on my short list is the 350 Panther Magnum .22. Alas, no one has one yet.
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« Reply #13 on: March 25, 2021, 05:20:42 PM »
Thanks Hector. I really like my 340 and am not happy they are dropping it.
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #14 on: March 25, 2021, 07:50:20 PM »
Thanks, guys!

General replies:

The 340 and 350 NTec have been dropped, BUT NOT THE PARTS. Especially the NTec units (3 parts in the unit) will still be available as a spare part and as an upgrade/change part for the EMS system in the case of the short NTec gas spring.
Please understand that once we have the "Premium" stock for the 34 EMS, there will be almost no aesthetic difference with the past 340 Premium, and the technical and practical advantages will go to the 34 EMS.

The 54 Laminate stock for the time being is only available in red, Perhaps in the future we can offer more variety. DIANA water-based/eco-friendly finish is perfectly "dippable", so any company that does aftermarket camo-ing can get the stock done to the customers' wishes and desires, so no, it is not an excuse to not get one, LOL!
In our market research and focus groups, the red one received the best ratings, then a black/grey variation (tactical), and then an olive / brown / light orange combination (autumn forest) came in third. The 54 is, worldwide, perceived more as a target gun than a hunting gun, so I guess that "colored" (pun intended)  the choices and election results.
The beech stock is really nice and the design is a great offhand/field design. The shape of the forearm will, from now on, be an "identifier" of a DIANA airgun.
We're still WAY BEHIND on the 0.177" cal 54's, so the secondary stock color choices will POSSIBLY happen (IF they happen) next year, and BTW, Blue will possibly never happen, LOL!  ;-)

YES, the Performance line is made in Germany, the Action line is made in China. DIANA has had "boots on the ground" with SnowPeakAirguns for the last 5 years, and I THINK, they are starting to understand. It has been a long, and sometimes frustrating, process. I would imagine the former statement is true for BOTH parties, LOL! BUT I do think there is good will to continue with the "partnership" and that bodes well for specialty items like the Stormrider that is in a class of its own as far as weight/bulk-power combination. It also opens avenues to explore, like the LP-5 that should be a fun platform on which to build nice carbines. We'll see.
In the end, those that want quality for shooting and hunting can get it under DIANA brand, and those that want toys to tinker with can also get them under the DIANA brand.

We are working hard on the PCP's side, but following 130 years of tradition, we want the PCP's to be an innovative extension of existing models. They should "FEEL LIKE A DIANA" and they should "WORK AS A DIANA". So, we are taking our time to test and test and re-test the concepts and the HMI (Human-Machine-Interfase),  so that when we hit the market, people will recognize them for what they are: a DIANA.
Hopefully, next year's catalogue, after IWA 2022 will start bearing the good news.

The 48 is probably the "workhorse" of the Performance line. It ticks many of the boxes that airgunners worldwide look for and it is an incredibly versatile platform. It is also, somewhat inexpensive, given that it is a 100% European gun.
So, yes the 48 will still be there. And yes, it is a great gun.

Parts for the 280 and other dropped model will still be available.  We are still supporting guns that are more than 50 years old so don't worry. Also, the fact that MOST parts interchange with other models and; that we have designed the EMS to incorporate some parts directly without major modifications to the guns, means that, even if the gun is not "collection grade/historically complete" it can still be made to work and provide enjoyment.
Just as a specific example: IF a 280 were to fail 4 years from now, and, for whatever reason, there were no parts to service the T06 trigger, a simple change of piston, trigger block, and steel-spring guide to EMS specs and you're back in business!

Thanks for your comments, thanks for looking!

Keep well and shoot straight!







HM
So has the T06 trigger as we know been dropped from the line of new guns and the Ntec trigger the new trigger replacement?
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #15 on: March 25, 2021, 08:37:09 PM »
Good to know that the Ntec power plant continues. Diana put a LOT of excellent R&D into that system. It really is a cut above. And also nice that, having missed out on the AMO3 Stealth, I can get one down the road without worrying about parts if needed. Now, can we get a 12 ft/lb piston? That would be a nice alternative to be able to swap in and out.
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« Reply #16 on: March 25, 2021, 09:27:49 PM »
Thank you, Hector!
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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2021, 12:37:00 AM »
Hector:

I see the 4.4mm lead ball rifle still in the catalogue.  Does that mean they are going to bring that to the US?

And it seems that now you can also shoot it with Steel BBs. Easier to source that 4.4mm lead balls.

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Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2021, 01:31:15 PM »
OK, some more answers:

IF you  like a model in the catalogue, then write to the major wholesalers to let them know there is a demand for that model/variation.
Now that the company that does the importation is a different company than the one that does the wholesaling, it is more feasible to bring in a 5 count box of something special or different. But you do need to let the large retailers know.

The 340 is being completely replaced by the 34 EMS on the functional side with some advantages to the EMS' users, you may miss the 340 NTec for a year, but the Premium stock (the one in the higher level 340's) will MOST probably be available in the future.

The T06 trigger has ALWAYS had two variations: The NTec one and the steel spring one. There are guns where you cannot substitute the NTec for the Steel Spring T06, like the 48, 54, and 460, so that trigger will continue in production until we can change those models to the EMS philosophy (if it is well received by the public).

The NTec gas spring is a good system, but it does not work well at low pressures, no gas spring works well at very low pressures, as it is the internal pressure itself the one that guarantees the seals' proper operation. The thing we are working on is an ADJUSTABLE version that will allow you to go from 12 to 20 ft-lbs (max depends on caliber), AND that is user re-buildable.
Once we know how much the market appreciates the EMS concept, we can move forward, or not.

There is one 4.4 mm's repeater in the catalogue, and yes, that will still be available, that one is made in China by SPA and, while it has had some "teething" problems, it is so much fun and has a dedicated following that it was kept. For the Germans it is the equivalent of the Red Ryder.
There was TALK of making a special BB (0.172") version under the Air Venturi brand for the US, but AFAIK, it never did come to a reality, so NO, even if the catalogue says "BB" it means the 4.4 mm's "RundKugeln"
Ammo is not complicated to source, and if you go to the accessories sections (page 33)  you will see the ammo, as well as the "targets" that traditionally are ceramic stars.
Again, if you are interested in this write to your favorite purveyor.
OUTSIDE the catalogue, DIANA STILL manufactures the "Modell 30" or "Kirmesse" gun, but with modern materials, methods and procedures to make the guns last into the tens of millions of rounds the price is around €900-00
So, you are either a stand operator in Germany that goes from town to town earning a living, or a VERY dedicated collector.  ;-)

Thanks for the continued interest!







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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2021, 06:12:26 PM »
OK, some more answers:

There is one 4.4 mm's repeater in the catalogue, and yes, that will still be available, that one is made in China by SPA and, while it has had some "teething" problems, it is so much fun and has a dedicated following that it was kept. For the Germans it is the equivalent of the Red Ryder.

There was TALK of making a special BB (0.172") version under the Air Venturi brand for the US, but AFAIK, it never did come to a reality, so NO, even if the catalogue says "BB" it means the 4.4 mm's ndKugeln"Ru"


Ammo si not complicated to source, and if you go to the accessories sections (page 33)  you will see the ammo, as well as the "targets" that traditionally are ceramic stars.

Again, if you are interested in this write to your favorite purveyor.

OUTSIDE the catalogue, DIANA STILL manufactures the "Modell 30" or "Kirmesse" gun, but with modern materials, methods and procedures to make the guns last into the tens of millions of rounds the price is around €900-00
So, you are either a stand operator in Germany that goes from town to town earning a living, or a VERY dedicated collector.  ;-)

Thanks for the continued interest!

HM

So then this is a typo:

Optional können auch cal. 4,5mm Stahlrundkugeln genutzt werden. Optionally you can also use cal. 4,5mm (.177) steel BB´s
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