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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Hunting Gate => Topic started by: Nomadic Pirate on October 24, 2014, 08:38:14 PM
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Lets start with a saw I took last year with my AR6 .22
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/009_zps10e60ea4.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/009_zps10e60ea4.jpg.html)
Best case scenario would be to wait for a hog to lower the head to the ground and place the shot at the intersection of an X drawn from the hears to the eyes.
But this saw was coming towards me and I was standing leaning on a tree shooting offhand so I had to place the shot a little lower.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/photo_zps60555fd1.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/photo_zps60555fd1.jpg.html)
Next is the Boar I took a few weeks back with my Stormpup .25
I was up the mountain hunting last week and took the skull back.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF1006_zpsc4f124f1.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF1006_zpsc4f124f1.jpg.html)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-04nDd9ac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-04nDd9ac)
This time the shot was equidistant between the eye and ear
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF1076_zps6d59ed2a.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF1076_zps6d59ed2a.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF1077_zps19b620e0.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF1077_zps19b620e0.jpg.html)
I tried to reproduce the shot on my training skull to see exactly what part of the brain was impacted
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF1078_zps26eb8efa.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF1078_zps26eb8efa.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF1079_zps46167d62.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF1079_zps46167d62.jpg.html)
In the next future I want to go and retrive the 2 Skulls of those Boars I shot with my .357
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This is exactly the kind of info that I feel should be shared in an air rifle hunting gate for critters taken at 12 fpe on up...
the more you know about the anatomy of your prey the better.
these are great for showing brain case thickness and angles for those that have never seen them... a very good guide for go no go shot choices IMO...
Thanks, educated hunters is what will do the most to advance Air rifle Hunting...
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Good post Manny.
Richard
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Thanks for this very helpful & educational post Manny.
But I have a couple questions.
What's the muzzle energy on that evanix?
What was the approximate range at which this boar was taken, & what's the furthest distance you have taken hogs with this AG?
Thanks again for the info.
Very nice entry & exit holes BTW
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Well, the exit hole is only there because that is my training dry Skull, there's no exit hole in the Boar skull from the video.
I try to keep my shots in the -/+ 30 yards and the Boar was about 28 ?
the Saw I think was about 25 ?
The .25 is a 55-60 FPE gun
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Thanks for the feedback Manny. Very much appreciated.
Somehow I feel as though you might still be able to stretch the range out by quite a bit more. Assuming H&N 31 grains at approximately 940 fps, I would think with 55-60 fpe at the muzzle you'd be able to stretch it to 50 yards for 45fpe at POI or up to 70 yards for 40 fpe at POI if you so desired. Providing that BC for those pellets is at least 75% accurate that is.
I'm looking forward to more of your postings.
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Thank you for the info Manny
Very informative and always great to see your hunts.
Dave
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When I started down this avenue of Hunting Wild Hogs with airguns there wasn't really any Info on Headshots, it was all big Bore Heart and Lungs shots, my experiance was in Bow Hunting and that was all body shots too.
I did a lot of testing and anatomical research before even trying my fist boar, and still after 6 years continue to try learn as much as I can on those subjects,.....we never know enough :) :)
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Thanks for the feedback Manny. Very much appreciated.
Somehow I feel as though you might still be able to stretch the range out by quite a bit more. Assuming H&N 31 grains at approximately 940 fps, I would think with 55-60 fpe at the muzzle you'd be able to stretch it to 50 yards for 45fpe at POI or up to 70 yards for 40 fpe at POI if you so desired. Providing that BC for those pellets is at least 75% accurate that is.
I'm looking forward to more of your postings.
50-70 yards would not be a Problem at all with this power IMO, that king of distance for a shot practically never presents itself here so I focus and have my guns ready to take the -/+ 30 yards shot because in reality that is all I get,
easier to have a 10 yard shot than a 40 here :) :) :)
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Yeah I figured as much Manny. As hunters we only get to take the shots that we are presented with.
Long distance shots are more fun tho. It takes a lot more focus & skill to make a clean kill past 60 yards with an AG. And that's exactly why I personally prefer the longer shots when I'm hunting. I usually let game go if it's anything closer than 20 yards.
But still, meat on the table is meat on the table, & I doubt the critters care about how far away we are when we pull the trigger.
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Amazing...
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Excellent, VERY informative !!
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This has to be one of the best real shot placement pictures i've seen. now can you super impose red or green crosshairs on a picture of a hog in different positions to show where "you" would aim?
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well...thanks everyone
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This has to be one of the best real shot placement pictures i've seen. now can you super impose red or green crosshairs on a picture of a hog in different positions to show where "you" would aim?
That would be a good Idea, but I have not the Know how to do it,
Maybe I need to find someone that could do that for me :)
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Thanks Manny,
for taking the time to share your hunts, and even more for sharing your knowledge.
It would be a great honor to someday share a hunt with you... though I know I would never be able to measure up.
Keep up the good work, and keep doing what you do so well.
I for one, have benefited greatly from your insights and experiences.
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That's awesome Manny!
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This has to be one of the best real shot placement pictures i've seen. now can you super impose red or green crosshairs on a picture of a hog in different positions to show where "you" would aim?
That would be a good Idea, but I have not the Know how to do it,
Maybe I need to find someone that could do that for me :)
if you have mspaint on your system you could put a red dot on the pigs head where you could shoot using the paintbrush tool. not quite what he asked for but who really needs to see the cross hairs as long as they have a dot where to shoot ?
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excellent shooting skills. that temple shot was picture perfect.
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let me try this... Manny how does this jive with your thoughts?
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needs to be 2" towards the eye
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got ya. i thought i was pretty close to halfway there
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ok, hopefully this one is more clear. Manny, i know these 3 dots are close together. But with the precision of today's rifles, Which color dot would YOU pick on a perfect side profile shot?
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On that Hog because is slightly quartering to me I would go definitely Yellow
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On that Hog because is slightly quartering to me I would go definitely Yellow
Manny,
assuming that is a 200 -250-ish Lb hog, what would you imagine the minimum effective caliber/fpe (at POI), would be on the yellow dot?
Also, what would be your thoughts on Domed. vs. Ultra Shock HP's, vs. Plastic or Steel tipped pellets?
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Pelletwise I like Harder lead domes like the Benjamin, Baracuda in .25 and the domed 28gr EunJin and the Pointed 32gr EunJin in .22 cal
I would never,ever consider taking a shot at that Hog with any Hollowpoint or tipped Pellet, I want immediate and further possible penetration.
That particular shot on that size Hog I would comfortably take with a 60 FPE either in .22 or .25 using the above mentioned pallets, I would stay in the 30-40 yards max range.
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Thanks Manny,
Wow, I would have thought that 60 FPE for a side skull/brain shot,
might be a lot more than necessary to effectively put that down at 30 yds.
(maybe even excessive amount of power)
Not trying to debate it, or argue at all.
I just didn't think the side of the skull would be nearly that tough to get through.
I understand what you are saying in you would be comfortable with 60FPE, and certainly I would also.
I'd just have guessed that a considerably less, (maybe even 25 or 30 FPE), would be enough to penetrate the side of the skull.
(especially when using a heavy domed pellet)
I'd like to see a comparison of how thick the side of the skull is, vs. how thick the top of the skull is (just for a comparison), on the large black boar in your video.
I like to see/do the comparison between that one you shot, and the thick noggin on the one we butchered a couple of weeks ago.
Would it be possible to get a measurement of skull thickness from your hog at both the top of the skull, vs. the side at point of entry ?
I did notice on your dried practice skull,... it seemed to have considerable more "air pockets" it the top (forehead) part of the skull bone mass, than my hogs skull had.
My hogs nogging was hard as a rock and 1 1/2"+ thick. (I still think it was Strangely thick in that area for it's age)
HMmmmmm,.... interesting.
Great Thread, learning a lot.
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I think you are right, a 40 FPE gun would most likely suffice, but I rather error on the extra power side,
as I mentioned several times in the past, when I had my Marauder .25 shooting the 45 FPE maxed out tune I never felt comfortable in taking it to hunt hogs, I was significantly more comfortable with my 55 FPE Rainstorm .22.
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I just want to understand this, Ron.... Are you saying that about 25-30 FPE should be enough to penetrate through 1.5" of solid bone with enough energy left over to fully penetrate the brain?....
Bob
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I just want to understand this, Ron.... Are you saying that about 25-30 FPE should be enough to penetrate through 1.5" of solid bone with enough energy left over to fully penetrate the brain?....
Bob
Bob, no,... absolutely not. That is not what I was saying, as was clearly evident in the results of my recent complete failure to humanely put down one of our hogs.
What I was asking is, if that would be enough energy to penetrate into the brain cavity from the side of the skull, (at the diagramed yellow dot).
I'm assuming that the reason Manny prefers to take a profile side shot to the brain, is because the side would be thinner and have less bone mass.
Just trying to learn from more experienced shooters, and make ethical choices.
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So where is the skull over 1.5" thick?.... (colour me confused).... Has anyone ever tested different FPE levels on the skull of a hog at different USABLE entry points?.... I don't hunt hogs (none around here) but I like to learn what works and what doesn't....
Bob
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So where is the skull over 1.5" thick?.... (colour me confused).... Has anyone ever tested different FPE levels on the skull of a hog at different USABLE entry points?.... I don't hunt hogs (none around here) but I like to learn what works and what doesn't....
Bob
Bob,
maybe you missed our recent discussion where I had put a few of our domestic hogs down for butchering.
I had no problem humanely dropping a 5 month old pig through the top of the skull at approx. 3/8" thick using a RS2 springer at point blank range. (no I would never use that rifle on a hog at normal hunting ranges).
It produced full skull penetration and instant death.
A couple weeks later, I tried the same thing on a 8 month old pig, and the results were far from desirable.
This pig was only 3 months older, and the skull was over 1 1/2" thick at the same spot.
so in only 3 months, the skull had thickened at an unexpected rate, and the results were far from what I had anticipated or counted on.
here is a link to that thread
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=76576.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=76576.0)
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To make something clear.
By far my favorite choice of shot is the top of the forehead, it's a more flat surface and there's no meat to go through before getting to the bone, I want instant skull penetration, yes the skull on the side is thicker but there's plenty meat before you reach the skull and there's more curves and sticking out bones, a little off and it's all over.
Definitly, top of the forehead is my all time 1st choice.
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yes the skull on the side is thicker but there's plenty meat before you reach the skull and there's more curves and sticking out bones, a little off and it's all over.
Definitly, top of the forehead is my all time 1st choice.
Wow, I would never have thought that the skull on the side is Thicker.
Guess it just goes to show that I have all of my thoughts messed up on this.
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I'm still trying to warp my head around a pellet being able to penetrate 1.5" of bone when it won't go through a 2x4, which is also 1.5" thick.... WOW!!!
Bo
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I think he meant thinner but mistyped thicker Ron.
Bob, to my understanding the difference between 1.5" of wood & 1.5" of bone is that wood though a little more dense does have a lot more give/flex than bone, thus being able to absorb the shock better than bone w/o allowing a pass through.
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As usual Manny, good information!
Now if only I could go piggy hunting in lovely California with my Sumatra or a 909s or ?
Steveoh
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I'm still trying to warp my head around a pellet being able to penetrate 1.5" of bone when it won't go through a 2x4, which is also 1.5" thick.... WOW!!!
Bo
Keep in mind the materials you are comparing. Wood is fibrous and densely packed, being made from interlocking protein chains. It slows and stops the pellet by stretching and tearing. Bone is honeycombed and more friable, being made from a flaky metal held together with glue. It slows and stops the pellet by using crumple zones, much like how cars are designed. Trees are built to withstand the forces of nature, i.e. wind, weight of snow or water; bone is built to support the rest of the animal and the skull to protect the brain from impacts. The cross section of the pellet and the speed at which it is traveling determines how far it penetrates. Also, a 2x4 is dead, processed wood with compacted cells, while the skulls being discussed are still living material with expanded voids. Both will react in different ways.
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Hey Manny, have you ever shot a pig in the head and it got away?
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yes the skull on the side is thicker but there's plenty meat before you reach the skull and there's more curves and sticking out bones, a little off and it's all over.
Definitly, top of the forehead is my all time 1st choice.
Wow, I would never have thought that the skull on the side is Thicker.
Guess it just goes to show that I have all of my thoughts messed up on this.
Sorry, sorry,...late at nite after bartending and having several drinks :) :) ...thinner, I ment thinner.
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Hey Manny, have you ever shot a pig in the head and it got away?
Once, ...I was shooting a 200 FPE .357,
It was getting late and I rushed the shot, he was quartering towards me with the head raised I tried to shoot just above the eye and obviously the bullet just bounced off :(
Goes to tell you that shot placement is paramount, i took many, many big Hogs with the lowly 60 FPE .25 ........It's all about been patient and waiting for the perfect shot, that last video I waited over 10 minutes because he was just slightly quartering away and I wasn't comfortable, as soon as he when dead broadside it took me no time to squeeze the trigger :)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-04nDd9ac (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-04nDd9ac)
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Looking in my Pictures and I picked this one to show my favorite shot placement
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/004_zps016fee34.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/004_zps016fee34.jpg.html)
This is a pretty Big Boar and was taken with the Rainstorm .22 shoting the 32gr EunJin
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/007_zps219e5277.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/007_zps219e5277.jpg.html)
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Sorry, sorry,...late at nite after bartending and having several drinks :) :) ...thinner, I ment thinner.
dude, wanna trade jobs ;D
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You Nuts ?!?!?!
Surf or Hunt all day, than go talk to chicks all nite,....no thanks I'm good :) :) :) :)
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I thought as much. That's just me & my high hopes with my head in the clouds again :D.
But seriously though, back to the topic at hand.
I've often wondered about what others consider good accuracy for hunting. Not in the general sense of being able to hit a 1" anywhere within a given range, but true precision. I practice for hunting by trying to hit a thumb tack on the head at 10-50 yards in 5 yard increments, usually multiple tacks per station. Once I get past 35 yards it starts to become a challenge, but still not really too difficult. It just requires a bit more focus and a stable position.
I know such precision isn't absolutely necessary since not many animals have brains that small. But I'm a firm believer in the "aim small, miss small" philosophy.
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Absolutely,
A friend of mine was bragging of his 3" groups at 40 yards with his compound when he was getting ready for a Hog hunt, I warned him, That group will be significantly bigger in a real hunting situation, he laughed at me and said his compound is a sure hunting machine, next hog hunt at 20 yards he made a horrible gut shot and never seen the Big Saw again.
Remember that guy that showed up a few months back ?
got himself a Marauder .25 and was going to kill coyotes,.....he was saying that he was getting 1" groups at 20 yards, most of us told him to take his time and practice more, and learn the anatomy of his quarry before starting to sling lead,
What did he do ? ...started to shoot at coyotes and never actually killed one got a bunch of runners with lead stuck somewhere in the head, than he disappeared in thin air.
Practice, practice, practice,......and learn the anatomy of the critter you are tackling
There's never enough of that.
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Thanks for the info! Very informative.
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So today I went up the mountain to retrive the skulls of the 2 Boars I shot a couple months back.
I found one, but only found a couple of pieces of the second.
Not 100% sure witch one of the 2 was the one I found
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF0237_zpsed7851f4.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF0237_zpsed7851f4.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF0235_zps7670cc0c.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF0235_zps7670cc0c.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF0230_zps4f4ce4cb.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF0230_zps4f4ce4cb.jpg.html)
Here is the 2 Videos
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/th_DSCF0233_zps897e926d.mp4) (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF0233_zps897e926d.mp4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bk0wwcojwk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bk0wwcojwk)
Those 2 Boars where shot with my .357
Here the shot placement pictures
some of the skull was missing at the back so I put it side by side with an other skull to give the right prospective of the placement.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1084_zpsc780fe0d.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1084_zpsc780fe0d.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1081_zps8af95734.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1081_zps8af95734.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1080_zpsae7e9b29.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1080_zpsae7e9b29.jpg.html)
the Jaw and 2 pieces from the other skull
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1083_zpsa87366a6.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1083_zpsa87366a6.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1082_zps33788da1.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1082_zps33788da1.jpg.html)
Dave G always gives me &^^& that the .357 Rainstorm isn't as accurate as his guns,.....I don't think I could have put that shot more in the center than that :) :) :)
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Wow! Perfect shot. Do you think the shot blew out the back of the skull or shattered it?
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There's a possibility,
I finally figured that the one I recovered was from the bigger of the 2 Boars because those other 2 pieces if I try to fit them on this skull are to small,
so that come to my mind too,...did the .358 bullet crack the skulls on those small Pigs ?
:) :) Yeah, when I first saw the hole today I cracked a big smile, can't be more center than that, picture perfect :) :)
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Flawless delivery Manny. Goes to show, placement is everything in this game.
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Absolutely,
A friend of mine was bragging of his 3" groups at 40 yards with his compound when he was getting ready for a Hog hunt, I warned him, That group will be significantly bigger in a real hunting situation, he laughed at me and said his compound is a sure hunting machine, next hog hunt at 20 yards he made a horrible gut shot and never seen the Big Saw again.
Remember that guy that showed up a few months back ?
got himself a Marauder .25 and was going to kill coyotes,.....he was saying that he was getting 1" groups at 20 yards, most of us told him to take his time and practice more, and learn the anatomy of his quarry before starting to sling lead,
What did he do ? ...started to shoot at coyotes and never actually killed one got a bunch of runners with lead stuck somewhere in the head, than he disappeared in thin air.
Practice, practice, practice,......and learn the anatomy of the critter you are tackling
There's never enough of that.
:D LMBO :D
Yep, sure do remember that guy. A "master", for sure... Fine example of poor marksmanship and relying on the "outta the box" expectations, to fulfill the need. Just unboxed it, shot a few times, and was going "hunt'n" ,with no prep or patience. Didn't think that he needed it, until he griped about the misses. He may well have annoyed his neighbors, by being out there at night shooting the PCP...and lost his rifle....who knows.
I do honestly Hope that it was only that harmless. Don't be that guy ;)
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Manny could walk around saying "I'm that guy, who did that thing, in that place"
And be able to back it up.
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Remember that guy that showed up a few months back ?
got himself a Marauder .25 and was going to kill coyotes,.....he was saying that he was getting 1" groups at 20 yards, most of us told him to take his time and practice more, and learn the anatomy of his quarry before starting to sling lead,
What did he do ? ...started to shoot at coyotes and never actually killed one got a bunch of runners with lead stuck somewhere in the head, than he disappeared in thin air.
Yeah, how could we forget that guy.
and he even called himself "YoteMaster".
He loved his cats and liked posting videos.
But we never got one of a culled yote.
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Manny could walk around saying "I'm that guy, who did that thing, in that place"
And be able to back it up.
we all could walk around bragging on what we've done.
the real test is if what we've done was even ever worth doing.
or even worth mentioning.
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Yeah, how could we forget that guy.
and he even called himself "YoteMaster".
He loved his cats and liked posting videos.
But we never got one of a culled yote.
I watched one of his videos and it 10 minutes of him loading Marauder magazines. >:(
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That is one super clean, precise hole. I don't think I could do any better with a drill and vise, and that's hunting a live critter!
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Thanks,
When I found the skull and saw the hole I immediately had the Biggest smile on my face :) :) :) :)
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So today I went up the mountain to retrive the skulls of the 2 Boars I shot a couple months back.
I found one, but only found a couple of pieces of the second.
Not 100% sure witch one of the 2 was the one I found
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF0237_zpsed7851f4.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF0237_zpsed7851f4.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF0235_zps7670cc0c.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF0235_zps7670cc0c.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF0230_zps4f4ce4cb.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF0230_zps4f4ce4cb.jpg.html)
Here is the 2 Videos
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/th_DSCF0233_zps897e926d.mp4) (http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF0233_zps897e926d.mp4)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bk0wwcojwk (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bk0wwcojwk)
Those 2 Boars where shot with my .357
Here the shot placement pictures
some of the skull was missing at the back so I put it side by side with an other skull to give the right prospective of the placement.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1084_zpsc780fe0d.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1084_zpsc780fe0d.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1081_zps8af95734.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1081_zps8af95734.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1080_zpsae7e9b29.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1080_zpsae7e9b29.jpg.html)
the Jaw and 2 pieces from the other skull
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1083_zpsa87366a6.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1083_zpsa87366a6.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Heidy/DSCF1082_zps33788da1.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Heidy/DSCF1082_zps33788da1.jpg.html)
Dave G always gives me &^^& that the .357 Rainstorm isn't as accurate as his guns,.....I don't think I could have put that shot more in the center than that :) :) :)
Great thread! Wish these photos were not missing ! But very informative none the less . Thank you!
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Mannyback in the ole self bow days I use to read about your mongoose hunting exploits durning your hog hunts. Do you still take a few with your pcps. Iron Hand
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Mannyback in the ole self bow days I use to read about your mongoose hunting exploits durning your hog hunts. Do you still take a few with your pcps. Iron Hand
hey Mike, howzit ?
Funny you ask that, the last 2 weeks I was hunting this new valley and had the chance to take some mongoose but I was carrying my Max-Ml .45 and didn't want to compromise a possible Hog sighting, if I was carrying one of the small bores I would have definitely dropped a couple of them :)
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Manny thanks for the reply. Here in Ca. small game is the only game in town so I make the most of it. Don,y have a pcp yet but saving my pennies. Just made up a 1322 with all the mods which will be my new cottontail ground squirell, starling gun. Kind of a poormans pcp. Have a break barrel but just like the pumpers better. Hope you haven,t given up on building those self bows, you are a pure artist at it. Iron Hand
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Manny thanks for the reply. Here in Ca. small game is the only game in town so I make the most of it. Don,y have a pcp yet but saving my pennies. Just made up a 1322 with all the mods which will be my new cottontail ground squirell, starling gun. Kind of a poormans pcp. Have a break barrel but just like the pumpers better. Hope you haven,t given up on building those self bows, you are a pure artist at it. Iron Hand
Thanks Mike, appreciated.
I'm not making no where near as many bows as I was in the old days, still I try to make some once in a while, working on an Osage flatbow at the moment.
here's a Guava take down I made last year.
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Manny ya still have the touch. @@@ usual looks great. I am going to hunt with a osage self I made this year, sure makes for special hunts whether sucesful or not. Iron Hand
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This is exactly the kind of info that I feel should be shared in an air rifle hunting gate for critters taken at 12 fpe on up...
the more you know about the anatomy of your prey the better.
these are great for showing brain case thickness and angles for those that have never seen them... a very good guide for go no go shot choices IMO...
Thanks, educated hunters is what will do the most to advance Air rifle Hunting...
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Well said, and not fully understood and/or appreciated by way too many so called "hunters." Experience teaches most people all of these important things, so we often have too many "hunters" shooting too small caliber, too light pellets/bullets, at too long a range, with no real skill at shooting where projectile needs to go. For them, it at least helps, if they, for air rifles, are shooting .458 to .510 caliber at around 300 to 500 fpe, rather than a toy smaller caliber air rifle, but even they have to shoot well, and avoid the long distance shots too---LOL.
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I see allot of hunters who dont visualize the target as a 3 dimensional target. Instead they look at it as a flat piece of paper. So they have trouble making clean head shots for example because they dont compensate for the different angles and directions the pellet needs to enter at for a proper brain shot depending on the position of the head.
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I see allot of hunters who dont visualize the target as a 3 dimensional target. Instead they look at it as a flat piece of paper. So they have trouble making clean head shots for example because they dont compensate for the different angles and directions the pellet needs to enter at for a proper brain shot depending on the position of the head.
Very Very true, better to aim for the exit spot than the entry spot
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Where do you put the skulls so scavengers/weather doesn't get to them? I shot one with a .308 about a week ago and want the skull.
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Where do you put the skulls so scavengers/weather doesn't get to them? I shot one with a .308 about a week ago and want the skull.
I just leave them on the forest floor, Mongoose and bugs do all the work and in 2 weeks I can go pick them up.
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Good informational thread here
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Where do you put the skulls so scavengers/weather doesn't get to them? I shot one with a .308 about a week ago and want the skull.
I just leave them on the forest floor, Mongoose and bugs do all the work and in 2 weeks I can go pick them up.
Hey, your boar hunting images are really impressive and exciting.
the other day i saw on youtube Lucky 777 piercing pellets with steel core
I wonder if they could be good hunting pellets ?
with that the chest shots are no problem I guess