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Title: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on March 24, 2021, 01:00:59 PM
can be found here:

https://www.diana-airguns.de/fileadmin/Editoren/PDF-Downloads/Publkationen/DIANA_Katalog_2021_web.pdf (https://www.diana-airguns.de/fileadmin/Editoren/PDF-Downloads/Publkationen/DIANA_Katalog_2021_web.pdf)

A FEW comments to start off the conversation:

- The 280 is OFF the catalogue, there may be some remaining in stock, but it has been definitely dropped.
- The 54 Pro is now the Flagship of the "Performance" line (made in Germany).
- The K98 spring version has also been dropped, it is now available ONLY in PCP format under the "Action" line (Made in CHINA).
- The 350 Mag, Classic and Panther remain, as do the 48, 460, and LP-8
- There is a new LP-5 (spring-piston pistol) part of the Action line.
- Stormrider, Bandit, Airbug, Trailscout, Chaser, 240, 250, 260, 21 and Eleven, as well as the Oktoberfest Gewehr round the Action line.
- DIANA now has a RF action, suitable for both lengths of RF 0.22's.

Bunch of fun accessories round up the catalogue.

Hope you find it amusing to peruse.

Keep well and shoot straight!







HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Rick67 on March 24, 2021, 01:05:06 PM
Mr. M, does the D54 AK come only in red laminate?

I am partial to BLUE and FOREST CAMO  ;D

Gracias, Senor!
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Hobbyman2007 on March 24, 2021, 03:23:38 PM
So if I’m reading this correctly  the performance line is made in Germany and the action line is made in China. I hope the quality is up to Diana standards on the MIC stuff.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: triggerfest on March 24, 2021, 04:38:32 PM
Thanks for sharing !

And missing a lot of PCP models, while that is still the direction of the market ?
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: 3 at 8 on March 24, 2021, 04:42:41 PM
Thank you Hector.  :D
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: byhsu on March 24, 2021, 04:48:06 PM
Mr. M, does the D54 AK come only in red laminate?

I am partial to BLUE and FOREST CAMO  ;D

Gracias, Senor!

Forest Camo would be nice to have.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Bimota on March 24, 2021, 05:49:12 PM
No 340 or 350 n-tec, did Diana stop making them?
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: ssbn617 on March 24, 2021, 06:24:54 PM
Thanks Hector.
 Glad the 48 is still there, an amazing rifle to me.
Mitch
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Bill_in_TR on March 24, 2021, 06:46:20 PM
I am glad I got my 280 when I did. I really love this rifle. Does this mean parts will be difficult to get? I suppose so.

It seems Diana has abandoned the modest power levels in springers unless you want one from China. I guess that goes along with the obsession for MORE POWER.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Rick67 on March 24, 2021, 06:56:39 PM
Mr. M, does the D54 AK come only in red laminate?

I am partial to BLUE and FOREST CAMO  ;D

Gracias, Senor!

Forest Camo would be nice to have.

At least we have an excuse for not getting one  ;D
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: byhsu on March 24, 2021, 08:29:12 PM
Mr. M, does the D54 AK come only in red laminate?

I am partial to BLUE and FOREST CAMO  ;D

Gracias, Senor!

Forest Camo would be nice to have.

At least we have an excuse for not getting one  ;D

I don't know but that beech stock looks very nice too. i like the shape of the forearm.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on March 25, 2021, 11:09:58 AM
Thanks, guys!

General replies:

The 340 and 350 NTec have been dropped, BUT NOT THE PARTS. Especially the NTec units (3 parts in the unit) will still be available as a spare part and as an upgrade/change part for the EMS system in the case of the short NTec gas spring.
Please understand that once we have the "Premium" stock for the 34 EMS, there will be almost no aesthetic difference with the past 340 Premium, and the technical and practical advantages will go to the 34 EMS.

The 54 Laminate stock for the time being is only available in red, Perhaps in the future we can offer more variety. DIANA water-based/eco-friendly finish is perfectly "dippable", so any company that does aftermarket camo-ing can get the stock done to the customers' wishes and desires, so no, it is not an excuse to not get one, LOL!
In our market research and focus groups, the red one received the best ratings, then a black/grey variation (tactical), and then an olive / brown / light orange combination (autumn forest) came in third. The 54 is, worldwide, perceived more as a target gun than a hunting gun, so I guess that "colored" (pun intended)  the choices and election results.
The beech stock is really nice and the design is a great offhand/field design. The shape of the forearm will, from now on, be an "identifier" of a DIANA airgun.
We're still WAY BEHIND on the 0.177" cal 54's, so the secondary stock color choices will POSSIBLY happen (IF they happen) next year, and BTW, Blue will possibly never happen, LOL!  ;-)

YES, the Performance line is made in Germany, the Action line is made in China. DIANA has had "boots on the ground" with SnowPeakAirguns for the last 5 years, and I THINK, they are starting to understand. It has been a long, and sometimes frustrating, process. I would imagine the former statement is true for BOTH parties, LOL! BUT I do think there is good will to continue with the "partnership" and that bodes well for specialty items like the Stormrider that is in a class of its own as far as weight/bulk-power combination. It also opens avenues to explore, like the LP-5 that should be a fun platform on which to build nice carbines. We'll see.
In the end, those that want quality for shooting and hunting can get it under DIANA brand, and those that want toys to tinker with can also get them under the DIANA brand.

We are working hard on the PCP's side, but following 130 years of tradition, we want the PCP's to be an innovative extension of existing models. They should "FEEL LIKE A DIANA" and they should "WORK AS A DIANA". So, we are taking our time to test and test and re-test the concepts and the HMI (Human-Machine-Interfase),  so that when we hit the market, people will recognize them for what they are: a DIANA.
Hopefully, next year's catalogue, after IWA 2022 will start bearing the good news.

The 48 is probably the "workhorse" of the Performance line. It ticks many of the boxes that airgunners worldwide look for and it is an incredibly versatile platform. It is also, somewhat inexpensive, given that it is a 100% European gun.
So, yes the 48 will still be there. And yes, it is a great gun.

Parts for the 280 and other dropped model will still be available.  We are still supporting guns that are more than 50 years old so don't worry. Also, the fact that MOST parts interchange with other models and; that we have designed the EMS to incorporate some parts directly without major modifications to the guns, means that, even if the gun is not "collection grade/historically complete" it can still be made to work and provide enjoyment.
Just as a specific example: IF a 280 were to fail 4 years from now, and, for whatever reason, there were no parts to service the T06 trigger, a simple change of piston, trigger block, and steel-spring guide to EMS specs and you're back in business!

Thanks for your comments, thanks for looking!

Keep well and shoot straight!







HM





Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Jshooter71 on March 25, 2021, 12:11:44 PM
Thanks for the update, Hector. I really like the 54s, the Red Lam .22 is on my “Bucket List”... but on my short list is the 350 Panther Magnum .22. Alas, no one has one yet.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Bimota on March 25, 2021, 05:20:42 PM
Thanks Hector. I really like my 340 and am not happy they are dropping it.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: truck driver on March 25, 2021, 07:50:20 PM
Thanks, guys!

General replies:

The 340 and 350 NTec have been dropped, BUT NOT THE PARTS. Especially the NTec units (3 parts in the unit) will still be available as a spare part and as an upgrade/change part for the EMS system in the case of the short NTec gas spring.
Please understand that once we have the "Premium" stock for the 34 EMS, there will be almost no aesthetic difference with the past 340 Premium, and the technical and practical advantages will go to the 34 EMS.

The 54 Laminate stock for the time being is only available in red, Perhaps in the future we can offer more variety. DIANA water-based/eco-friendly finish is perfectly "dippable", so any company that does aftermarket camo-ing can get the stock done to the customers' wishes and desires, so no, it is not an excuse to not get one, LOL!
In our market research and focus groups, the red one received the best ratings, then a black/grey variation (tactical), and then an olive / brown / light orange combination (autumn forest) came in third. The 54 is, worldwide, perceived more as a target gun than a hunting gun, so I guess that "colored" (pun intended)  the choices and election results.
The beech stock is really nice and the design is a great offhand/field design. The shape of the forearm will, from now on, be an "identifier" of a DIANA airgun.
We're still WAY BEHIND on the 0.177" cal 54's, so the secondary stock color choices will POSSIBLY happen (IF they happen) next year, and BTW, Blue will possibly never happen, LOL!  ;-)

YES, the Performance line is made in Germany, the Action line is made in China. DIANA has had "boots on the ground" with SnowPeakAirguns for the last 5 years, and I THINK, they are starting to understand. It has been a long, and sometimes frustrating, process. I would imagine the former statement is true for BOTH parties, LOL! BUT I do think there is good will to continue with the "partnership" and that bodes well for specialty items like the Stormrider that is in a class of its own as far as weight/bulk-power combination. It also opens avenues to explore, like the LP-5 that should be a fun platform on which to build nice carbines. We'll see.
In the end, those that want quality for shooting and hunting can get it under DIANA brand, and those that want toys to tinker with can also get them under the DIANA brand.

We are working hard on the PCP's side, but following 130 years of tradition, we want the PCP's to be an innovative extension of existing models. They should "FEEL LIKE A DIANA" and they should "WORK AS A DIANA". So, we are taking our time to test and test and re-test the concepts and the HMI (Human-Machine-Interfase),  so that when we hit the market, people will recognize them for what they are: a DIANA.
Hopefully, next year's catalogue, after IWA 2022 will start bearing the good news.

The 48 is probably the "workhorse" of the Performance line. It ticks many of the boxes that airgunners worldwide look for and it is an incredibly versatile platform. It is also, somewhat inexpensive, given that it is a 100% European gun.
So, yes the 48 will still be there. And yes, it is a great gun.

Parts for the 280 and other dropped model will still be available.  We are still supporting guns that are more than 50 years old so don't worry. Also, the fact that MOST parts interchange with other models and; that we have designed the EMS to incorporate some parts directly without major modifications to the guns, means that, even if the gun is not "collection grade/historically complete" it can still be made to work and provide enjoyment.
Just as a specific example: IF a 280 were to fail 4 years from now, and, for whatever reason, there were no parts to service the T06 trigger, a simple change of piston, trigger block, and steel-spring guide to EMS specs and you're back in business!

Thanks for your comments, thanks for looking!

Keep well and shoot straight!







HM
So has the T06 trigger as we know been dropped from the line of new guns and the Ntec trigger the new trigger replacement?
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: RedFeather on March 25, 2021, 08:37:09 PM
Good to know that the Ntec power plant continues. Diana put a LOT of excellent R&D into that system. It really is a cut above. And also nice that, having missed out on the AMO3 Stealth, I can get one down the road without worrying about parts if needed. Now, can we get a 12 ft/lb piston? That would be a nice alternative to be able to swap in and out.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: splitbeing on March 25, 2021, 09:27:49 PM
Thank you, Hector!
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: byhsu on March 27, 2021, 12:37:00 AM
Hector:

I see the 4.4mm lead ball rifle still in the catalogue.  Does that mean they are going to bring that to the US?

And it seems that now you can also shoot it with Steel BBs. Easier to source that 4.4mm lead balls.

Thanks
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on March 28, 2021, 01:31:15 PM
OK, some more answers:

IF you  like a model in the catalogue, then write to the major wholesalers to let them know there is a demand for that model/variation.
Now that the company that does the importation is a different company than the one that does the wholesaling, it is more feasible to bring in a 5 count box of something special or different. But you do need to let the large retailers know.

The 340 is being completely replaced by the 34 EMS on the functional side with some advantages to the EMS' users, you may miss the 340 NTec for a year, but the Premium stock (the one in the higher level 340's) will MOST probably be available in the future.

The T06 trigger has ALWAYS had two variations: The NTec one and the steel spring one. There are guns where you cannot substitute the NTec for the Steel Spring T06, like the 48, 54, and 460, so that trigger will continue in production until we can change those models to the EMS philosophy (if it is well received by the public).

The NTec gas spring is a good system, but it does not work well at low pressures, no gas spring works well at very low pressures, as it is the internal pressure itself the one that guarantees the seals' proper operation. The thing we are working on is an ADJUSTABLE version that will allow you to go from 12 to 20 ft-lbs (max depends on caliber), AND that is user re-buildable.
Once we know how much the market appreciates the EMS concept, we can move forward, or not.

There is one 4.4 mm's repeater in the catalogue, and yes, that will still be available, that one is made in China by SPA and, while it has had some "teething" problems, it is so much fun and has a dedicated following that it was kept. For the Germans it is the equivalent of the Red Ryder.
There was TALK of making a special BB (0.172") version under the Air Venturi brand for the US, but AFAIK, it never did come to a reality, so NO, even if the catalogue says "BB" it means the 4.4 mm's "RundKugeln"
Ammo is not complicated to source, and if you go to the accessories sections (page 33)  you will see the ammo, as well as the "targets" that traditionally are ceramic stars.
Again, if you are interested in this write to your favorite purveyor.
OUTSIDE the catalogue, DIANA STILL manufactures the "Modell 30" or "Kirmesse" gun, but with modern materials, methods and procedures to make the guns last into the tens of millions of rounds the price is around €900-00
So, you are either a stand operator in Germany that goes from town to town earning a living, or a VERY dedicated collector.  ;-)

Thanks for the continued interest!







HM



Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: byhsu on March 28, 2021, 06:12:26 PM
OK, some more answers:

There is one 4.4 mm's repeater in the catalogue, and yes, that will still be available, that one is made in China by SPA and, while it has had some "teething" problems, it is so much fun and has a dedicated following that it was kept. For the Germans it is the equivalent of the Red Ryder.

There was TALK of making a special BB (0.172") version under the Air Venturi brand for the US, but AFAIK, it never did come to a reality, so NO, even if the catalogue says "BB" it means the 4.4 mm's ndKugeln"Ru"


Ammo si not complicated to source, and if you go to the accessories sections (page 33)  you will see the ammo, as well as the "targets" that traditionally are ceramic stars.

Again, if you are interested in this write to your favorite purveyor.

OUTSIDE the catalogue, DIANA STILL manufactures the "Modell 30" or "Kirmesse" gun, but with modern materials, methods and procedures to make the guns last into the tens of millions of rounds the price is around €900-00
So, you are either a stand operator in Germany that goes from town to town earning a living, or a VERY dedicated collector.  ;-)

Thanks for the continued interest!

HM

So then this is a typo:

Optional können auch cal. 4,5mm Stahlrundkugeln genutzt werden. Optionally you can also use cal. 4,5mm (.177) steel BB´s
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Yogi on March 28, 2021, 10:18:08 PM
Hector,

Do you anticipate a Lexus version of the 34EMS.?  The hogsback stock it too nice not to continue... :-[

-Y
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: phoebeisis on March 29, 2021, 07:52:27 AM
Hector-so the K98 spring version is cancelled

I ordered one-bargain $269+Tax+ shipping-about $310 a month or so ago-but changed my mind-I prefer .22 to .177(easier for old hands to load)

BELOW A HUGE ASIDE-

I am old-70-and the K98  really caught my eye(still on sale Numrich-clearing them out I guess)

-as a kid-I watched LOTS of westerns- many set near the US Mexico BORDER(still watchthem-Magnificent 7 with a  German  actor playing a mexican peasant turned gun man)-COOL MOVIES

They were usually turn of century 1890-1910

The federales (sic)  and the bandidos (sic?) ALWAYS had  bolt action Mausers(early iterations but dead ringers for 98s)- with cool looking  cross chest bandoleeros  with those very long

cartridges-the Gringoes had Winchesters and revolvers

Funny I thought the Gringos had the Bandidos and Fed police OUTGUNNED because the Winchesters(pistol bullets) were quicker shooting and held maybe 9-12 rds

I had no idea just how outgunned they were against a modern military rifle-smokeless powder-

but they was how it was portrayed-and the Gringos never seemed to grab the Mausers when they had the chance-bet those Mausers-98 or earlier-were very pricy-Mexico did get a license

to build them-but still would have been expensive-forged receivers-hard to machine-pricy barrels hard to machine -fiddly little steel parts

-the gringos were usually bandits escaping justice by hiding south of the border-

The bandidos-the leader were really fancy dressed--big sombreros     big silver belt buckles     polished spurs  crossed bandoleers-the Federales-were just scruffy  soldiers -with those french looking caps

I always picture the Mauser 98 with the Federales or the Bandidos-not with WW1 WW2 germans -not sure why USA outlaws never grabbed one when they had a chance(ammo harder to get?)

Maybe I will spend some of my COVID 19 money on one





Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on March 29, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
OK, some more answers:

There is one 4.4 mm's repeater in the catalogue, and yes, that will still be available, that one is made in China by SPA and, while it has had some "teething" problems, it is so much fun and has a dedicated following that it was kept. For the Germans it is the equivalent of the Red Ryder.

There was TALK of making a special BB (0.172") version under the Air Venturi brand for the US, but AFAIK, it never did come to a reality, so NO, even if the catalogue says "BB" it means the 4.4 mm's ndKugeln"Ru"


Ammo si not complicated to source, and if you go to the accessories sections (page 33)  you will see the ammo, as well as the "targets" that traditionally are ceramic stars.

Again, if you are interested in this write to your favorite purveyor.

OUTSIDE the catalogue, DIANA STILL manufactures the "Modell 30" or "Kirmesse" gun, but with modern materials, methods and procedures to make the guns last into the tens of millions of rounds the price is around €900-00
So, you are either a stand operator in Germany that goes from town to town earning a living, or a VERY dedicated collector.  ;-)

Thanks for the continued interest!

HM

So then this is a typo:

Optional können auch cal. 4,5mm Stahlrundkugeln genutzt werden. Optionally you can also use cal. 4,5mm (.177) steel BB´s

No, Pablo, it is not a typo.

We're talking of different things.

In the same way that Daisy makes BB guns, and ALSO makes a "special target" BB gun:  https://www.daisy.com/product/daisy-model-499b-champion-competition-rifle/ (https://www.daisy.com/product/daisy-model-499b-champion-competition-rifle/)  they are not the same thing.

4.40 mm's is equivalent to 0.173".
BB's are nominally 0.172"
Rifling depth in these barrels is shallow.

So, yes, you CAN use steel BB's in these barrels, but:
1.- You will be "erasing" the rifling on every shot
2.- It will not be as accurate as a proper smoothbore barrel designed for BB's

The EXCEPTION to the above would be the Excite BB from H&N, or the Dust-Devils from AirVenturi

Like many Crosman and Daisy MSP's that CAN shoot both, I am sure (have not tried this first hand), that they will shoot both.

Now, PERSONALLY, I would really like to use the gun with the ammo it was designed for, and getting the accuracy that a spinning ball has. OR, I would like to have one with a really good smoothbore barrel to use the "Match BB" that are not that expensive/hard to get either.
I have seen some discussion about the difference between the Ground shot and the BB, but the real problem is that manufacturers do not put out solid technical info.

In any case: CAVEAT EMPTOR. I cannot give you more information, I have asked DIANA if there is any advance on a special steel BB ONLY version, I will let you know what I find out.







HM



Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on March 29, 2021, 01:23:33 PM
Hector,

Do you anticipate a Lexus version of the 34EMS.?  The hogsback stock it too nice not to continue... :-[

-Y

Yes, Yogi, a "LUXUS" version more in line with the "Premium" stock that we designed/have been using since the TH/ Premium/ Premium k/ Luxus versions of the 440, 34, and 340. It was contemplated from the beginning.
Problem is:  ¿WHEN?
LOL!

It's just that with all current difficulties and changes, it has taken a lot of time to get things done, BUT . . . at least in principle, it has now coalesced into a UNIFORM "look" for all future DIANA models (even PCP's). The combination of the hog's back cheekpiece and the "organic" forms of the forearm that you find in the "54 Pro" is what will constitute in the future the "signature look".

Patience, my dear Grasshopper . . .

Keep well and shoot straight!





HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on March 29, 2021, 01:46:39 PM
Hector-so the K98 spring version is cancelled

I ordered one-bargain $269+Tax+ shipping-about $310 a month or so ago-but changed my mind-I prefer .22 to .177(easier for old hands to load)

BELOW A HUGE ASIDE-

I am old-70-and the K98  really caught my eye(still on sale Numrich-clearing them out I guess)

-as a kid-I watched LOTS of westerns- many set near the US Mexico BORDER(still watchthem-Magnificent 7 with a  German  actor playing a mexican peasant turned gun man)-COOL MOVIES

They were usually turn of century 1890-1910

The federales (sic)  and the bandidos (sic?) ALWAYS had  bolt action Mausers(early iterations but dead ringers for 98s)- with cool looking  cross chest bandoleeros  with those very long

cartridges-the Gringoes had Winchesters and revolvers

Funny I thought the Gringos had the Bandidos and Fed police OUTGUNNED because the Winchesters(pistol bullets) were quicker shooting and held maybe 9-12 rds

I had no idea just how outgunned they were against a modern military rifle-smokeless powder-

but they was how it was portrayed-and the Gringos never seemed to grab the Mausers when they had the chance-bet those Mausers-98 or earlier-were very pricy-Mexico did get a license

to build them-but still would have been expensive-forged receivers-hard to machine-pricy barrels hard to machine -fiddly little steel parts

-the gringos were usually bandits escaping justice by hiding south of the border-

The bandidos-the leader were really fancy dressed--big sombreros     big silver belt buckles     polished spurs  crossed bandoleers-the Federales-were just scruffy  soldiers -with those french looking caps

I always picture the Mauser 98 with the Federales or the Bandidos-not with WW1 WW2 germans -not sure why USA outlaws never grabbed one when they had a chance(ammo harder to get?)

Maybe I will spend some of my COVID 19 money on one

Charles;

I am just slightly younger than you, not much. And yes, we all grew up with the "B" and even some "C" Westerns of our time (Do you remember Raquel Welch as the widow that learned how to shoot fast-draw to take revenge?)  ;-)

When I was an adolescent, I also dreamed of Colts and Winchesters, when I turned 16 the gun laws changed in Mexico and it became impossible to have a gun as an "ordinary civilian" (also known as "second class citizens"). So my dreams were about to remain that.
My life changed and I became heavily involved in firearms, but as time passed I also became a history buff.

And here goes an interesting perspective:
ALL true "Revolucionarios" carried TWO guns (there are in fact pictures of this). For some engagements, the Mauser (properly appropriated from a dead "Pelón" -meaning Federal because they had crew-cuts and Pelón means bald or very short-haired-) and a Winchester 94.

The Revolución was fought on TWO completely different settings: The open fields of Celaya, Torreón, Sonoita, etc. And also the urban and semi-urban locations like Churubusco, Chihuahua, Veracruz, etc.
The Winchester '94 was the FIRST ASSAULT rifle of human history. It has never been recognized, but if you look at the AIMED rate of fire, the energy and weight of the ammo, the tactical reloading capabilities, gun's weight and size, the 0.30"-30/160 was not far off the current 7.62X39/AK system.
The Mexican Revolution raged from 1910 till 1921, so it was a long and protracted war.

As all Revolutions, MOST of the definitive engagements were the urban/semi-urban type and so, the image we had was quite the opposite: The good guys (Revolucionarios)  won the battles with speed and cunning over the firepower of the evil Federales.

;-)

So, my personal engagement with the K98 comes more from the military perspective and the history of sniping and sharp-shooting; the hundreds, if not thousands of soldier's lives that have been saved by a well placed "de-capitation" strike.

And so, the two K98's that are in my list of projects are going to end up like that. On purpose, we chose the 0.177" cal because DE-TUNING the 460 powerplant to the ballistic optimum of an 8½ grains pellet will yield a pleasant and stable platform to perfect the techniques and the marksmanship.
Besides it is less expensive to practice a lot.

;-)

So; Claw mounts, low power scope, maybe forward mounted, leather cheekpiece, sling and LDC. JSB, FTT or QYS at 875 fps

Sounds good?

;-)

I am sure the PCP version will also have its followers, it IS a nice gun, much lighter and a very ingenious and UNIQUE system that you will not find in any other SPA gun.

Perhaps we will test that one some day also.

For the time being, let's shoot springers!







HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: phoebeisis on March 30, 2021, 08:12:55 AM
Hector
 
Raquel Welch-not likely to forget HER-Looked it up-Hannie Caulder was the movie-LOADS of BIG NAME actors actresses-even Christopher Lee-of HAMMER FILMS -and James Bond-and maybe

those kiddy wizard movies-fame?

I had COMPLETELY forgotten about the 30-30-I had seen plenty of images of revolutionaries ARMED TO THE TEETH-but usually with the Mauser-

You are dead on-they used everything according to this cut-BUT they could get 30-30 ammo-and as you say-it is dead on(maybe a tiny bit more powerful 130 grain and maybe 2400 fps-vs 123-

about same FPS)-but maybe dead on in older loadings- 1600 ft lbs-4-5 times a pistol-with many many times the effective range.

Yeah-dead on AK 47 7.62 39 ballistics-aimed fire not much advantage for AK since winchester quick loading-and aiming takes most of the time

Oh-this cut says it 1969(age 18)I bought a 7MM Argentine Mauser-fort about $30- price kinda high for the time-took it behind the Mississippi River Levee-shot it-just toilet paper stuffed

in my ears for protection-HUGE BAMMMM-  COOL GUN-I stupidly sold it years ago-ammo was cheap then too-

Shame you have such strict gun laws- ours are not-but you can not mail-order firearms like I did a Winchester 190 .22 in 1964-went to post office to pick up-probably had to get parents

to pick it up-

I read somewhere that below Rio Grande-North America (Mexico 6 Central American countries) and South America- civilians could not buy military caliber guns under any circumstances

so the 38 Super became a favored auto in  1911 Colt--and if you were a connected civilian-you could buy one

Thanks for the K98 springer info-very tempting-a cool looking 460 for just $310 delivered now-Numrich(sic-can not spell)

Thanks

Charlie


Here is the cut-
Bolt-action rifles carried high-powered military smokeless rifle ammunition, including the 7x57mm Mauser, .30-06 Springfield and .30-40 Krag. Even hunting rifle rounds that were scrounged up saw use, including the popular .38-56 Winchester, designed for the 1886 Winchester lever action and employed in the 1895 Marlin lever gun, as well as the various .40, .45 and .50 caliber loads produced for such sporting arms. Other old, but still deadly calibers, including the all-but-obsolete black powder .45-70 Government load, which could be used in 1881 Marlins and 1886 Winchesters, surplus 1873 Springfield “trapdoors” and the like would not be turned away. Except for the .30-30 round, which the revolutionists usually seemed to be able to get lots of, obtaining quantities of other types of sporting ammo was difficult.


Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: phoebeisis on March 30, 2021, 08:26:09 AM
We -USA movie watching public- viewed  the Federals-who we saw as sort of a military unit and police-and kinda scruffy looking

as you say short hair-   no cool Sombreros-sometimes those Kepi hats-no revolvers(just officers maybe and usually to execute some poor civilian or captured Revolutionary)

The Revolutionarys-in movies the Leaders-Villa    Zapata etc  were always impressively decked out-clanging spurs- crossed bandeleros with HUGE(long) looking  cartridges)

Funny our soldiers-USA-and the USA-gringo banditos- Never -in movies-wear crossed  chest bandeleros??Usually they have a cartridge pouch attached to belt-slow to access.

They help PLENTY of readily available cartridges-and would offer some ballistic protection-wonder why USA soldiers and USA bandits-never wore the bandeleros-IN MOVIES??

They seem to make lots of sense-and LOOKED SOOOO COOL-in pictures various revolutionaries wore them cross chest-around waist

and pictures  with 1 rifle at hand another(as you said)  and one strapped around chest(armed too teeth-but no visible knife usually)-why bother with all  those guns)

You are a student of history and firearms-why didn't soldiers of all stripes wear bandeleros??

Thanks

Charlie
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: RedFeather on March 30, 2021, 01:29:02 PM
Mexican Mausers were usually 7mm and of the "small ring" type (the front of the action is not as heavy as on a K98). They are much sought after by shooters and form the basis for some nice custom guns. So, if you want a "Mexican" K98, buy the .177. German, .22.

Hector, are you going to weld claw mounts onto the K98? That would be pretty slick. Looks like there are repro mounts available but I'm not sure if they may work. These first set of rings probably will not as they are likely sized to the action. The side mount may be doable with a base attached to the compression tube.




Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on March 30, 2021, 04:20:35 PM
@ Charlie.- There are a number of reasons why the cross bandolera chested Revolucionarios are in the pictures, while the Federales were not allowed to carry them.

The reason is this:

(https://i1.wp.com/noticieros.televisa.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/11/soldaderas3-portada.jpg?resize=970%2C551&quality=95&ssl=1)

The "Adelitas". Women that followed the Armies and functioned in teams formed by the women of specific squads.
Revolucionarios had no "Quartermaster", there were no field kitchens or designated cooks, all males fought, women provided support. The Revolutionary Army provided protection to the women. Sometimes the whole family went on the war-path.
And, while me may look at it with / through the romantic fog of forgotten hardships and history, casualties were high among women and children that followed the Revolucionarios.

And here is another:
(https://img.culturacolectiva.com/cdn-cgi/image/f=auto,w=auto,q=80,fit=contain/content/2018/11/20/1542740096438-soldaderas-adelitas-photographs-women-mexican-revolution-7-medium.jpg)

When Adelitas took arms, they became "Soldaderas", like these ones (one with a non '94, the other with a Mauser):

(https://img.culturacolectiva.com/cdn-cgi/image/f=auto,w=auto,q=80,fit=contain/content/2018/11/20/1542739972365-soldaderas-adelitas-photographs-women-mexican-revolution-1-medium.jpg)

or this one, (with the more commonly seen '94):
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1117/1358/articles/Adelita_1024x1024.jpg?v=1556557959)

or this one:

(https://img.culturacolectiva.com/cdn-cgi/image/f=auto,w=auto,q=80,fit=contain/content/2018/11/20/1542740020326-soldaderas-adelitas-photographs-women-mexican-revolution-15-medium.jpg)

It is said that Princess Leia's hairstyle actually was inspired by a famous Mexican "Coronela": Clara de la Rocha, herself the daughter of a "General":

(https://www.snopes.com/tachyon/2016/12/claradelarocha1.jpeg)

Sidebuns were not too common, but I am sure that women, even under those circumstances like to be well presented and "distinct" from all others.

;-)

Now, the Ejército Federal, did have all the food provisioning mechanisms, but regulations called for the carrying of a knapsack (Prussian/German influence was heavy during Porfirio Díaz's regime). And so the crossed "Bandoleras" were not allowed. As any good soldier, some Federales listened to the orders and then went on to do whatever worked in the battlefield.

The Mexican Revolution was, in its time, the most photographed conflict, the most documented in the news (though today we would call some of those reports "fake news").

There was a HUGE influence from the US, that pressured Winchester to supply what was needed.

It IS an interesting sliver of time. What the US and  Mexico became, was in a big part, determined by what happened there and then.

On a personal basis, Charlie, I am now an American Citizen, and enjoy immensely the freedom and liberty that our country allows.

Keep well and shoot straight!





HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on March 30, 2021, 04:23:53 PM
Mexican Mausers were usually 7mm and of the "small ring" type (the front of the action is not as heavy as on a K98). They are much sought after by shooters and form the basis for some nice custom guns. So, if you want a "Mexican" K98, buy the .177. German, .22.

Hector, are you going to weld claw mounts onto the K98? That would be pretty slick. Looks like there are repro mounts available but I'm not sure if they may work. These first set of rings probably will not as they are likely sized to the action. The side mount may be doable with a base attached to the compression tube.

Actually, yes, we are going to use those mounts, not welded, properly glued and using the right screws, not the supplied ones. The curvature of the mount is exactly what is needed, as the 460 "chassis" has ALMOST PRECISELY the same diameter as the small ring mauser, which was ALSO used as the basis of the SSG guns in WWII.

Still some more project to tackle before I REALLY start with those, but they will come.

Keep well and shoot straight!






HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: RedFeather on March 30, 2021, 05:54:59 PM
Looking forward to seeing it.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: phoebeisis on March 31, 2021, 08:04:14 AM
Ahh-so now you can get those items-or updated versions of same

Our TV-1950-1960s really influences me-westerns WW2-LOTTA FIREARMS

Yes Mexican Revolution was the first really WELL PHOTOGRAPHED WAR-live photography and some live video

Our Civil War and Crimean war-were photographed-but film required such LONG EXPOSURES-many many seconds-even minutes

Subjects always "look funny" and the long exposures-meant much of it was STAGED- battlefields rearranged- your Mexican Revolution certainly they understood propaganda-

so staged-but many  actually capture true life-man with wife and toddler-I see he has one of those Kepi type hats-probably more practical than a sombrero-

Yeah women children always suffer-especially in modern wars- and they are usually targeted to get men to quit-

Yeah they had to bring their women children otherwise the Federals would capture them-threaten to murder them-or just murder them

Sure explains the bandeleros gotta carry your ammo-no fancy logistics

So USA gov  twisted-encouraged Winchester to supply Revolution?? Well if the Elite were too close to Europe-GERMANS-Germany-that would sure explain that!

I really had no idea that the Winchesters were so important south of Rio Grande-our movies westerns-usually show Federals-and those described as banditos-with the Mauser

Yeah 30-30 -ballistics-dead ON ak 7.62 39 -I had no idea that the 30-30 played a role-makes sense-drop  a dear certainly will  kill a man

I am a history buff also-but only have TV notions of the Mexican revolution-I did not know that USA GOV covertly/openly  favored Revolution(for USA reasons-European influence not wanted)

Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on April 01, 2021, 05:26:14 PM
OK.-
Back on track, and hopefully, most readers will not have been pushed away by our historical obsessions, LOL!

DIANA wants to pose a question:

¿Would you all like to see a DIANA 460 with a "Pro" style stock?

Obviously not "red", ROFL!

;-)

Comments / opinions?







HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: RedFeather on April 01, 2021, 08:44:20 PM
That style would be interesting a 460. My 340 has to one of my best looking rifles.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Jshooter71 on April 01, 2021, 09:33:21 PM
OK.-
Back on track, and hopefully, most readers will not have been pushed away by our historical obsessions, LOL!

DIANA wants to pose a question:

¿Would you all like to see a DIANA 460 with a "Pro" style stock?

Obviously not "red", ROFL!

;-)

Comments / opinions?







HM

Yes Sir!
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: T-Higgs on April 02, 2021, 08:49:41 AM
I would love a pro style stock for my 460 especially if I could just buy the stock alone as opposed to buying another 460.  And “not red” would be preferable 😬
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Rick67 on April 02, 2021, 09:46:07 AM
I would love a pro style stock for my 460 especially if I could just buy the stock alone as opposed to buying another 460.  And “not red” would be preferable 😬


Dunno why red got the majority vote  ;D
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: phoebeisis on April 02, 2021, 10:35:27 AM
not sure-does Pro style  mean with a more  pronounced cheek piece?

I like my 460 as it is-but I would pay maybe $250-$300 more for a gaudier one-like the TX 200 with WALNUT-cheek piece is nice-more natural pointing with scope

Power sells also- FPS FtLbs -   looks and power sell-especially to young buyers

Weight matters too- Air Arms says their Beech  TX  carbine 200 is 4.0kg    Their   walnut TX 200 CARBINE  3.8 Kg

This is from their site-and is repeated-so probably  not a typo- I would  not have guessed Walnut is lighter than Beech- but apparently it is.

I would have some interest in engineered wood laminate-like a 10/22 target model-heavier but cool looking...

T
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Jshooter71 on April 02, 2021, 10:58:39 AM
My Diana Bucket list at the moment are, in order: AMO3 Stealth .177 (unless I’m too slow to get one before they are gone), Diana Panther 350 Magnum .22, D54 .22 Red Laminate and that D460 .22 in the Pro-style stock Hector is referencing, if it comes to be. Just thought I should reiterate that I’d like to be signed up if it materializes.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Ilimakko on April 02, 2021, 05:20:06 PM
I would  not have guessed Walnut is lighter than Beech- but apparently it is.

Walnut has an S.G. of around .55. European beech has an S.G. of around .63.

I have a wood sample collection of some 200+ species. Handling billets of walnut and beech side by side makes it really apparent that beech is a denser and heavier wood. One of the good reasons to choose walnut over beech.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Yogi on April 02, 2021, 10:53:05 PM
For shear vibration dampening, you want the denser the better.  Most 10 M stocks are a laminate.
Just walnut is so much purdier... ;)

-Y
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: T-Higgs on April 03, 2021, 01:14:00 AM
For shear vibration dampening, you want the denser the better.  Most 10 M stocks are a laminate.
Just walnut is so much purdier... ;)

-Y

Yogi, this was true many years ago. Laminate stocks were preferred over solid wood but times have changed. Aluminum stocks are now the preferred material and, in the shooting world, are commonly referred to as chassis instead of “stocks”.

Ilimakko is correct. Beach is heavier and more dense than walnut.  But Yogi is correct in his assertion that walnut is “purdier” , at least to me anyway. 🙃 We are lucky to have so many options.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: phoebeisis on April 03, 2021, 10:15:09 AM
Ilimakko   T Higgs   Yogi

Thanks for the info

So Walnut is less dense-lighter -and the 200 gram difference  Air Arms shows on their TX 200 is correct

Heck a 460 in .22 would be worth $750-$800  to me now-especially since I am playing with house money(covid 19 $$)

Pretty -or even Purdy- SELLS -I always preferred nickel pistols  -Only one I have now is a Beretta M 21 (little 22 with WALNUT grips-just can't call pistol grips STOCKS)

Turkey must have LOTS of walnut-Hatsan's air rifles-and many cheap shotguns- are frequently WALNUT-

You wood  experts-what is it about Turkey's climate that allows Walnut to grow so well???

Turkey has been inhabited "forever" Garden of Eden said to be in Turkey-I would have figured they would have lumbered it out millennium ago-guess they were pretty careful!


Smart of them
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on April 03, 2021, 04:13:00 PM
OK

Thanks for your comments, greatly useful.

Some notes about woods:

Vibration dampening is not ABSOLUTELY related to density. While Beech is heavier, it is ALSO more "dampening" as Yogi said.
Lightness in a gun as far as accuracy goes MAY not be detrimetal, but reduction in the damping response to the typical airgun frequencies is detrimental to the USER.
Reason is simple: Humans "hear" through THREE different channels, depending on the frequency and intensity of the sound pressure wave;
For mid to high frequencies humans can hear through the ears AND through the bones, especially those mechanical sounds that can be transmitted through the jaw/cheekbones.

Some people that have "artillery hearing" can experiment tinnitus after the first few shots with a hollow synthetic stock. Younger/healthier persons can shoot these guns indefinitely without problems.

Over 100 years of airgun making have shown that spring-piston airguns are more "comfy" to shoot with beech stocks.
I have ONE walntut stock for airguns. It is a 54 Tyrolean. I like that stock a LOT, but for offhand shots. It's too low a LOS to use even with small, low mounted scopes.
I USED to have a TX200 in a gorgeous Walnut stock. After 5 shots I decided to sell it.
Difference between the guns? The sled system in the 54.

Not everyone will have the same reaction, again, people that have been under very loud noises and are just short of a permanent  tinnitus, do not like spring-piston airguns in Synthetic or in Walnut stocks.

Why does Turkey have so much, and quite good, walnut? Because mid-Eastern food uses a LOT of pistachios, walnuts, and pecans and has done so for the last 2,000 years, so they have been sowing walnuts (among other trees) for many generations.
Turkey has had a nice climate for just as long, which has been a reason for people to use those fruits that are plentiful.
Walnuts have a special life cycle: They start yielding fruit when they are 6-8 years old, then they are fruitful for about a century and a half and then, even when they are still growing, the are no longer commercially viable, so the wood provides an alternate value  and creates space for new trees.

Just like the Europeans have been planting/sowing beech for the last 200 years (especially in Spain and Italy), the Turks have been planting/sowing Walnuts for the last 2,000 years.

Aluminum stocks do NOT work well for airguns above 6-7 ft-lbs. Most experiments that have been made result in drastic POI changes/ thermal instability, and overall harsh shot cycle.
The exception would be the "Effezetta" stocks, that incorporate a recoil-elimination sled in their design.

Walnut stocks for the DIANA's MAY be a possibility for the long term future, but I really mean long term.

A beech, or laminated "Pro" stock for the 460 is being considered seriously.

Thanks again!






HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: RedFeather on April 03, 2021, 06:19:09 PM
One thing I really appreciate about the current 460 is the stock. Great traditional lines and the gun is not as heavy as I thought. What's the weight difference between a new 54 and 54 Pro? The catalogue says only 10.7 lbs for both. Is that right? Laminate is usually heavier. A Pro 460 might tip the scales a bit.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Ilimakko on April 03, 2021, 06:39:02 PM
So Walnut is less dense-lighter -and the 200 gram difference  Air Arms shows on their TX 200 is correct

In Webley Longbow (British made), the Walnut option weighed 6.6 lbs, and the Beech option weighed 7.3 lbs. 320 grams off with Walnut - not too shabby for a field gun.

Some Americans may feel beech is a special wood, but it's not. It's the most common broadleaf tree in most of Europe, growing everywhere like a weed and being used for everything, from disposable ice cream sticks to the cheapest furniture. Without a stain, it has a hideous,  week-old salmon hue to it.

Some time ago, Yogi claimed that walnut was used in the past, because it was so common. That's the talk of someone who has never been to Europe, or taken the most basic inventory of the forests here. Walnut has never been common, it has always been a sought-after semi-precious wood here. And it hasn't been used for gunstocks for a century, as Hector proudly claimed for beech-stocked airguns. It has been used for gunstocks for 700 years, give or take. It's much more than pretty, being a premier gunstock wood.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: rdrunner on April 04, 2021, 01:40:06 AM
Thank you very much Hector!
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: phoebeisis on April 04, 2021, 08:24:37 AM
So that  is the WHY of so much pretty walnut in Turkey-the nuts-so they took care to plant harvest LOTS of walnut trees.


-for "no good reason" I prefer my Diana 460 over my TX 200 walnut-
 
The TX 200 is prettier-and ON PAPER has a better trigger

but I prefer the 460s trigger--you-dialed it in for me(on this forum) several years ago-after I fiddled with it so much-

It is now set  with LOTS of soft first stage travel-then a distinct wall- squeeze more- BAM-


I prefer LOTS of 1st stage travel-but I shoot standing freehand-and sometimes "time" my  wobble-easier to do with LOTS of 1st stage travel

 
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: mcoulter on April 06, 2021, 10:40:37 AM
OK

Thanks for your comments, greatly useful.

Some notes about woods:

Vibration dampening is not ABSOLUTELY related to density. While Beech is heavier, it is ALSO more "dampening" as Yogi said.
Lightness in a gun as far as accuracy goes MAY not be detrimetal, but reduction in the damping response to the typical airgun frequencies is detrimental to the USER.
Reason is simple: Humans "hear" through THREE different channels, depending on the frequency and intensity of the sound pressure wave;
For mid to high frequencies humans can hear through the ears AND through the bones, especially those mechanical sounds that can be transmitted through the jaw/cheekbones.

Some people that have "artillery hearing" can experiment tinnitus after the first few shots with a hollow synthetic stock. Younger/healthier persons can shoot these guns indefinitely without problems.

Over 100 years of airgun making have shown that spring-piston airguns are more "comfy" to shoot with beech stocks.
I have ONE walntut stock for airguns. It is a 54 Tyrolean. I like that stock a LOT, but for offhand shots. It's too low a LOS to use even with small, low mounted scopes.
I USED to have a TX200 in a gorgeous Walnut stock. After 5 shots I decided to sell it.
Difference between the guns? The sled system in the 54.

Not everyone will have the same reaction, again, people that have been under very loud noises and are just short of a permanent  tinnitus, do not like spring-piston airguns in Synthetic or in Walnut stocks.

Why does Turkey have so much, and quite good, walnut? Because mid-Eastern food uses a LOT of pistachios, walnuts, and pecans and has done so for the last 2,000 years, so they have been sowing walnuts (among other trees) for many generations.
Turkey has had a nice climate for just as long, which has been a reason for people to use those fruits that are plentiful.
Walnuts have a special life cycle: They start yielding fruit when they are 6-8 years old, then they are fruitful for about a century and a half and then, even when they are still growing, the are no longer commercially viable, so the wood provides an alternate value  and creates space for new trees.

Just like the Europeans have been planting/sowing beech for the last 200 years (especially in Spain and Italy), the Turks have been planting/sowing Walnuts for the last 2,000 years.

Aluminum stocks do NOT work well for airguns above 6-7 ft-lbs. Most experiments that have been made result in drastic POI changes/ thermal instability, and overall harsh shot cycle.
The exception would be the "Effezetta" stocks, that incorporate a recoil-elimination sled in their design.

Walnut stocks for the DIANA's MAY be a possibility for the long term future, but I really mean long term.

A beech, or laminated "Pro" stock for the 460 is being considered seriously.

Thanks again!


HM


Great information here.  Thanks for sharing this background on different variations of wood!
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: McNally M. on April 13, 2021, 04:25:21 PM
I don't see the standard Diana 34 in the catalogue. Is it being phased out by the EMS version??
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: SteveP-52 on April 13, 2021, 04:50:48 PM
I don't see the standard Diana 34 in the catalogue. Is it being phased out by the EMS version??

Yep. Might still be some of the now obsolete 34's out there if you poke around enough (Numrich was selling .177's for $200 and might still have a few) but the 34 EMS is replacing it.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: jccams on April 13, 2021, 04:51:18 PM
I don't see the standard Diana 34 in the catalogue. Is it being phased out by the EMS version??
Yes
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: DonC on April 13, 2021, 05:24:41 PM
I sure agree with Hector that a Tyrolean stock is best for off hand. I have a gold plated HW77 with Williams sight and this kit fits me best for off hand, scoping is not possible for a nice fit.
Walnut and Beech......what about adding a aftermarket dampening device to lighter less dense wood. I'm thinking like a "dead blow no bounce" hammer of BB's in sealed oil cylinder. Has anyone ever tried something similar to this crazy idea?
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: McNally M. on April 13, 2021, 05:45:56 PM
I don't see the standard Diana 34 in the catalogue. Is it being phased out by the EMS version??

Yep. Might still be some of the now obsolete 34's out there if you poke around enough (Numrich was selling .177's for $200 and might still have a few) but the 34 EMS is replacing it.

Wow, no kidding. Thanks for confirming my suspicion. Anyone have any experience with the new EMS? All the fancy modularity aside, is it an equal or better rifle than the old standard?
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: RedFeather on April 13, 2021, 06:16:49 PM
I wouldn't call the 34 obsolete, just discontinued. On the dampening device, I've strapped on a mercury recoil reducer with no perceptible change in the shot cycle. They can add weight but so does a pouch of lead shot. I think part of their effectiveness in a firearm is the mercury absorbing some of the initial impulse, dispersing it as the liquid breaks up into tiny droplets. With a springer, I'm not sure how that works since there's a lot of back and forth thrusting as the piston and spring oscillates.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: SteveP-52 on April 13, 2021, 06:54:46 PM
Ok so maybe I should have said THAT version of the 34 is obsolete. Can't truly say discontinued since, while it's undergone the changes it has, they are still making the 34. Just a new and possibly improved version of it although I have yet to see any GTA members posting about buying one and reviewing it on the forum. I think there's a few people waiting on that to happen before breaking out a credit card to buy one.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: McNally M. on April 13, 2021, 07:34:02 PM
I wouldn't mind if this is what the new 34's looked like, as shown in a title page in the 2021 catalogue:

(https://i.imgur.com/hqlKjKJh.jpg)

That globe sight is neat and kind of a throw back to the old 34's. The catalogue says changeable front sights are an option, but I've only seen the EMS version being offered with the ramped fin front sight. Not sure where one can pick up that globe sight.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on April 14, 2021, 12:04:00 PM
There are world-wide problems with supply-chains.

We had programmed the accessories / parts to be ready by July/August, but I doubt very much that this deadline will be met.

We still cannot get the 0.177" cal. 54 Pro's made, so that already means a 17 - 20 months "lateness".

The more time we spend in taking half-a__ed measures about the Virus, the longer it will take to get everything back on track.

Sorry, but these things are totally out of everyone's control.



HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Whirligig on April 14, 2021, 12:20:34 PM
can be found here:

https://www.diana-airguns.de/fileadmin/Editoren/PDF-Downloads/Publkationen/DIANA_Katalog_2021_web.pdf (https://www.diana-airguns.de/fileadmin/Editoren/PDF-Downloads/Publkationen/DIANA_Katalog_2021_web.pdf)

A FEW comments to start off the conversation:

- The 280 is OFF the catalogue, there may be some remaining in stock, but it has been definitely dropped.
- The 54 Pro is now the Flagship of the "Performance" line (made in Germany).
- The K98 spring version has also been dropped, it is now available ONLY in PCP format under the "Action" line (Made in CHINA).
- The 350 Mag, Classic and Panther remain, as do the 48, 460, and LP-8
- There is a new LP-5 (spring-piston pistol) part of the Action line.
- Stormrider, Bandit, Airbug, Trailscout, Chaser, 240, 250, 260, 21 and Eleven, as well as the Oktoberfest Gewehr round the Action line.
- DIANA now has a RF action, suitable for both lengths of RF 0.22's.

Bunch of fun accessories round up the catalogue.

Hope you find it amusing to peruse.

Keep well and shoot straight!
HM

One p-five (https://www.diana-airguns.de/produkte/kipplauf/detail/diana-p-five), stat, please!

I just messaged PA to see if they will help me get my hands on one.

Does anyone sell these in the US yet?

-W
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: McNally M. on April 14, 2021, 01:19:52 PM
There are world-wide problems with supply-chains.

We had programmed the accessories / parts to be ready by July/August, but I doubt very much that this deadline will be met.

We still cannot get the 0.177" cal. 54 Pro's made, so that already means a 17 - 20 months "lateness".

The more time we spend in taking half-a__ed measures about the Virus, the longer it will take to get everything back on track.

Sorry, but these things are totally out of everyone's control.



HM

Totally understandable in light of the global logistics issues that have been ongoing for over a year now. Its not just air guns that are being delayed, its darn near everything! But the air guns are what matter most to this community  :D
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Bimota on April 23, 2021, 03:39:44 PM
I hope Diana has a good year.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Crowman on April 25, 2021, 04:08:04 PM
Is the 56th still going to be available? I was hoping my next buy. Crow
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: ssbn617 on April 25, 2021, 04:19:12 PM
56 is discontinued
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Crowman on April 25, 2021, 10:49:32 PM
If you have a 56th in a .177,
Can you put a .22 barrel on?
And if you can where do you get them? Crow
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: fsa46 on April 26, 2021, 07:03:34 AM
So if I’m reading this correctly  the performance line is made in Germany and the action line is made in China. I hope the quality is up to Diana standards on the MIC stuff.

WOW, that's something I didn't know. Not crazy about knowing that now. Anyone that thinks China is going to have the quality that Germany has is in another universe.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on April 26, 2021, 11:49:55 AM
@Crowman.- You cannot change the caliber in a 56 T/H
So far, ONLY the 34 EMS is a true multi-caliber rifle. IF we are successful in that, we may apply the same system to the 48->54 in the future. There is precious little space to do it in the 460.

@ Frank.- We know that SPA (China) cannot give us the SAME quality as the German/European parts makers. BUT they offer a product at a price and with a purpose that has value in the market.
Not every airgunner is  an airgun connoiseur. There are (MANY)  shooters out there that just want an utilitarian airgun for fun, for the truck, or to be left in the barn. And they can't/won't invest $300 +  dollars in an airgun.
The "Action" line is designed for this segment of the market. Utilitarian and within a price range that justifies the uses. Sort of Chevrolet and Cadillac, or Volkswagen and Audi. Both have their place in the market.

:-)

Keep well and shoot straight!






HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: triggerfest on April 26, 2021, 01:50:15 PM
@Crowman.- You cannot change the caliber in a 56 T/H
So far, ONLY the 34 EMS is a true multi-caliber rifle. IF we are successful in that, we may apply the same system to the 48->54 in the future. There is precious little space to do it in the 460.

@ Frank.- We know that SPA (China) cannot give us the SAME quality as the German/European parts makers. BUT they offer a product at a price and with a purpose that has value in the market.
Not every airgunner is  an airgun connoiseur. There are (MANY)  shooters out there that just want an utilitarian airgun for fun, for the truck, or to be left in the barn. And they can't/won't invest $300 +  dollars in an airgun.
The "Action" line is designed for this segment of the market. Utilitarian and within a price range that justifies the uses. Sort of Chevrolet and Cadillac, or Volkswagen and Audi. Both have their place in the market.

:-)

Keep well and shoot straight!






HM

Hi Hector, what do you exactly mean by "true multi-caliber" ? I mean to say, is that (next to swapping the barrel) also related to other specific technical features of the 34 EMS so it can handle both calibers effectively ?
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: McNally M. on April 26, 2021, 02:29:59 PM
To Hector's point, China's manufacturers might not reproduce the fit and finish of German guns, but boy do they come close and deliver on a product that meets the need of a standard user. Xisico's line of air rifles is a pretty good example. There are folks here who say that some auxiliary details (sights, etc.) on the clones even surpass the German counterparts.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Crowman on April 26, 2021, 03:10:22 PM
Thanks for reply, as I’m green at this sport.
I got serious 2 1/2 yrs. ago, squirrel invasion. Bought several rifles since, but little time spent on them, busy with self project till fall.
My targets are 35 yds. as this is my max. distance on my property for Varmints.
Love thumbholes. Would prefer 56th in .22. I was told the .177 would have to be (tuned down) not sure?
What are the benefits of the 56th .177 would it suit my needs?
Crow
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on April 27, 2021, 05:05:36 PM
Hi Hector, what do you exactly mean by "true multi-caliber" ? I mean to say, is that (next to swapping the barrel) also related to other specific technical features of the 34 EMS so it can handle both calibers effectively ?


Rudy;

IN a break barrel there are not that MANY things that need changing between calibers (all three calibers). Sliding compression chambers are more sensitive to some design figures. Break barrels are inefficient enough that some aspects contribute little.
In the EMS; between the capacity to use steel or gas spring; and the possibility to use different weight pistons, plus an ABP unit; plus the customization possibilities of the front end, you have enough tools to make the guns more than "very capable" with any barrel you choose.
Of course you need to know what you are doing, but the possibilities are there.

HTH




HM

So far, the "dual caliber" rifles in existence have been liners inserted in a barrel with the obvious, inherent, weaknesses.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on April 27, 2021, 05:11:17 PM
Thanks for reply, as I’m green at this sport.
I got serious 2 1/2 yrs. ago, squirrel invasion. Bought several rifles since, but little time spent on them, busy with self project till fall.
My targets are 35 yds. as this is my max. distance on my property for Varmints.
Love thumbholes. Would prefer 56th in .22. I was told the .177 would have to be (tuned down) not sure?
What are the benefits of the 56th .177 would it suit my needs?
Crow

I oppose TH stocks in airguns, too may more variable to control in the grip. BUT if you like them, then go for it!

At 35 yards MANY air rifles are able to put 5 pellets into a chipmunk's head, let alone a squirrel.

Also, at 35 yards, the 0.177" expanding pellets do a fantastic job: H&N Baracuda Hunter Extreme & Baracuda Hunter, JSB Hades, Predator Poly Mag, Crow Mag. All do a  great job.

As long as you use the 56 with the right pellet weight so as not to exceed 875 fps by much, you should be OK.

Keep us posted!





HM

Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Crowman on April 28, 2021, 02:09:25 PM
Another five minutes I’m gonna ask you to stop talking that way. Thanks very much I really appreciate your response, I think I’m going to jump on the 56th. Crow
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: brewbear on May 15, 2021, 10:23:54 AM
It's been a little while since the last post, but here I go. Can you change calibers on a Diana Chaser by simply changing barrels?
Is my question sounds ignorant it probably is but please remember I'm very new to air rifles.
Thank you,
Ted
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Yogi on May 15, 2021, 11:35:49 AM
It's been a little while since the last post, but here I go. Can you change calibers on a Diana Chaser by simply changing barrels?
Is my question sounds ignorant it probably is but please remember I'm very new to air rifles.
Thank you,
Ted

Ted,

You should post the question in the PCP gate.  This is the Springer gate.

-Y
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: brewbear on May 15, 2021, 11:46:24 AM
It's been a little while since the last post, but here I go. Can you change calibers on a Diana Chaser by simply changing barrels?
Is my question sounds ignorant it probably is but please remember I'm very new to air rifles.
Thank you,
Ted

Ted,

You should post the question in the PCP gate.  This is the Springer gate.

-Y
Apologies for that, I'm still trying to find my way around the forums, thank you for pointing me in the right direction.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on May 15, 2021, 09:33:17 PM
It's been a little while since the last post, but here I go. Can you change calibers on a Diana Chaser by simply changing barrels?
Is my question sounds ignorant it probably is but please remember I'm very new to air rifles.
Thank you,
Ted

Ted;

If you post here the link, I will answer there.




HM
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: brewbear on May 15, 2021, 10:27:27 PM
It's been a little while since the last post, but here I go. Can you change calibers on a Diana Chaser by simply changing barrels?
Is my question sounds ignorant it probably is but please remember I'm very new to air rifles.
Thank you,
Ted

Ted;

If you post here the link, I will answer there.




HM
Thank you Sir, this is the link to the thread I started https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=187287.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=187287.0)
I really appreciate you taking the time. One other question is where can we buy the small/thin O-rings used on the barrel exterior at the breech end. I have a very few spares but I would like to get a few more.
Thank you again,
Ted
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Whirligig on May 18, 2021, 03:12:45 PM
It's been a little while since the last post, but here I go. Can you change calibers on a Diana Chaser by simply changing barrels?
Is my question sounds ignorant it probably is but please remember I'm very new to air rifles.
Thank you,
Ted

Ted,

You should post the question in the PCP gate.  This is the Springer gate.

-Y

I thought the Chaser (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-chaser-co2-air-pistol?m=4612) was a CO2-powered airgun.

At least mine is.

-W
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: brewbear on May 18, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
It's been a little while since the last post, but here I go. Can you change calibers on a Diana Chaser by simply changing barrels?
Is my question sounds ignorant it probably is but please remember I'm very new to air rifles.
Thank you,
Ted

Ted,

You should post the question in the PCP gate.  This is the Springer gate.

-Y

I thought the Chaser (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-chaser-co2-air-pistol?m=4612) was a CO2-powered airgun.

At least mine is.

-W
Indeed it is, but who am I to argue 🤔
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Jshooter71 on May 18, 2021, 03:27:18 PM
It's been a little while since the last post, but here I go. Can you change calibers on a Diana Chaser by simply changing barrels?
Is my question sounds ignorant it probably is but please remember I'm very new to air rifles.
Thank you,
Ted

Ted,

You should post the question in the PCP gate.  This is the Springer gate.

-Y

I thought the Chaser (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/diana-chaser-co2-air-pistol?m=4612) was a CO2-powered airgun.

At least mine is.

-W
Indeed it is, but who am I to argue 🤔

Actually, this is the Springer/NP/PCP - German Gate... so you’re all good.  ;)
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: brewbear on May 31, 2021, 11:32:06 AM
Thank you  “Capt Jack” John for the above comment.
Here's another question for the Chaser folks: Is there a butt stock extension (or a work around/mod) for the Chaser?
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: Jshooter71 on June 01, 2021, 08:39:21 AM
Thank you  “Capt Jack” John for the above comment.
Here's another question for the Chaser folks: Is there a butt stock extension (or a work around/mod) for the Chaser?
You’re welcome, Ted.
Do you mean to extend the buttstock on the rifle kit, or to add one to the pistol kit?
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: brewbear on June 01, 2021, 09:18:58 AM
Thank you  “Capt Jack” John for the above comment.
Here's another question for the Chaser folks: Is there a butt stock extension (or a work around/mod) for the Chaser?

You’re welcome, Ted.
Do you mean to extend the buttstock on the rifle kit, or to add one to the pistol kit?
I want to extend the buttstock on the rifle kit.
Title: Re: The DIANA 2021 Catalogue
Post by: HectorMedina on June 01, 2021, 09:59:03 AM
I want to extend the buttstock on the rifle kit.

Most butt extensions will cost more than the whole kit! LOL!

Just drill a hole (or holes) in the center, get a threaded rod (s) and make your own extension.
An Aluminum plate can get a proper buttpad glued on. If you drill one hole you will have adjustable cant.
If you drill two holes you will have adjustable pitch.

Just some ideas.






HM