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Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => 100 Yard Match => Topic started by: marty2 on October 27, 2020, 06:53:11 PM
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This will be the last match for 2020.
Welcome to the 8th 100 yard match of 2020.
This match will run for 4 weeks. The rules and targets can be found at the rules and targets thread for this match http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=125759.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=125759.0)
Post a scan or picture of the target by the end of the day Sunday November 22 2020
If you are not a member of the NUAH Club and would like to join or would like to upgrade your Division standing, your submitted target can be used for that also. All the rules to becoming a member of the NUAH Club must be followed also.
Please include with you submission:
Name
Airgun
Sights
Pellet/Bullet
Position
Score and Group Size
Any other info you would like to share(weather,pictures, etc)
Have Fun and Enjoy the match.
Results... will be posted ongoing as the match progresses at the bottom of this post. I will break down the scores by the different calibers shot.
Results of the final match are:
Fussell - 50/50 4X .64"ctc
FastJ- 50/50 3X .90"ctc
tommy2toes - 50/50 3X 1.04"ctc
FastJ - 50/50 2X 1.15"ctc
enzazle- 50/50 1X .75"ctc
CarlJ - 50/50 1.01"ctc
Fussell - 49/50 1.8"ctc
Montana_Airgunner - 47/50 1.3"ctc
.22
FastJ - 50/50 2X 1.15"ctc
tommy2toes - 50/50 3X 1.04"ctc
Montana_Airgun - 47/50 1.3"ctc
.25
CarlJ - 50/50 1.01"ctc
FastJ - 50/50 3X .90"ctc
Fussell- 49/50 1.8"ctc
.30
Fussell - 50/50 4X .64"ctc
.308
enazle - 50/50 1X .75"ctc
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Shooter: FastJ
Distance: 100 yards
Rifle: .22 Warp
Optics: Discovery HD 5-30X56 FFP
Ammo: JSB 18.13gr
Group: 1.150”
Position: bipod, rear bag
Wind: 1-3Moa
50/50 x2 1.150” ctc
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=179847.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=179847.0)
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Great shooting Jari! Good to see you join us!
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Great shooting Jari! Good to see you join us!
Thank you!
Like this @$%^!
Im waiting regulator for Hatsan. Mean while playing with these. Soon build 20-24” barrel for this Warp. Maybe go to .25.
Havent deside yet.
Anyone know is marauder magazines fit Warp?
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Nice shooting Jari! 50/20 2X is no easy feat with 18.1 pellets at 100 yards. Welcome to GTA.
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Nice shooting Jari! 50/50-2X is no easy feat with 18.1 pellets at 100 yards. Welcome to GTA.
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Name Enazle
Airgun: .308 Texan LSS
Sights: Gen 2 Viper 5x25 50
Pellet/Bullet: Accurate 31-155g 144gr HP GC
Position: Bench
Score and Group Size: .75"
Not sure on score?
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Enazle, I would score that a 50/50 1x 0.75 ctc
Here's the scoring rules link
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=125759.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=125759.0)
"Scoring.... The center bull is an X and all the others rings are the marked value. The shot must be
totally inside the ring to score that ring. If the shot touches the ring using a scoring gauge
or your best guesstimation it goes to the lower value(opposite of what is the norm). "
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Enazle, I would score that a 50/50 1x 0.75 ctc
Here's the scoring rules link
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=125759.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=125759.0)
Totally agree. 50/50, 1X for sure. Very nice!,
"Scoring.... The center bull is an X and all the others rings are the marked value. The shot must be
totally inside the ring to score that ring. If the shot touches the ring using a scoring gauge
or your best guesstimation it goes to the lower value(opposite of what is the norm). "
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Awesome bigbore group
With small tweak it is x5 paper!
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Shooting Date: 11/13/20
Shooter: Tom Boylan
Distance: Outdoor range; 100 yards
Gun: Red Wolf Safari, .22 HP
Optics: Vortex 6-24X50 FFP
Ammo: JSB 25g redesigns
Wind: 3-4 mph
50/50; 3X; 1.04" CTC
Position: Bench Rest seated; Rear Bag and Accu-Tac G2 Bipod
Had just gotten back my RW for some minor warranty related repairs, and this was my second outing. Shot a total of "8" NUAH cards ( I have them saved but did not want to attach to take up space ) and this was the best of the lot. Happy Thanksgiving to all and keep safe!
Tom
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Great shooting Tom. Looks like you have two fine shooting .22's now!
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Hello, this is my submission this month.
Weather not really cooperating this time of year.
Shooting Date; 11/08/2020
Shooter; CarlJ
Distance; 100 yd outdoor range
Gun; HM1000x
Ammo; JSB King Heavy MKII 25 cal.
Wind; S7mph toward target 68deg Sunny
Score; 50/50; 0x; 1.015 CTC
(2 shots at 6 o'clock)
Front Bipod; Rear Bag
Can't wait for next season, everyone take care and be safe.
CarlJ
Sorry pic turned on me 2 shots at 3 0'clock
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Great shooting Carl. I hope I can get out there and join you guys before this match is over. Heck I'm not even sure when the match is over? Is this coming Sunday the last day?
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My .25 cal submission.
Setup:
Date: 11-18-20
Shooter: FastJ
Rifle: .25 Wildcat sniper
Optics: Discovery HD 5-30X56 FFP
Ammo: JSB MK2
Group: 0.9” CTC
Position: bipod, rear bag
Wind: 0-1 moa
Score: 50/50 x3
Weather close outdoor shooting any day
here. Have access to 50meter indoor
range. Maybe some 50yd benchrest practice whole winter.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=180293.new#new (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=180293.new#new)
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Hey guys
Great shooting. Wow, 50/50 is now the minimum. Hard to believe this is the standard now, because we all know it’s really hard to shoot a 50/50 anything!
Jimmy, we are waiting for that Boss 5X 50/50. Get to it and let’s wrap this up with a great end to the year.
😀
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Great shooting Carl. I hope I can get out there and join you guys before this match is over. Heck I'm not even sure when the match is over? Is this coming Sunday the last day?
Yes..
Jimmy, November 22nd. JFK’s assignation 57th anniversary.
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Thanks Tom, I'll try to get out there before Sunday morning. Weather should be nice Friday and Saturday.
Been waiting for all the rain water to dry up. Back yard was flooded from all the rain.
You guys have set the bar pretty high! Awesome shooting. I'm really impressed when you can do it with .22 cal!
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Great shooting Carl. I hope I can get out there and join you guys before this match is over. Heck I'm not even sure when the match is over? Is this coming Sunday the last day?
Yes..
Jimmy, November 22nd. JFK’s “assassination” and 57th anniversary. Typo first time.
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Hey guys
Great shooting. Wow, 50/50 is now the minimum. Hard to believe this is the standard now, because we all know it’s really hard to shoot a 50/50 anything!
Jimmy, we are waiting for that Boss 5X 50/50. Get to it and let’s wrap this up with a great end to the year.
😀
Yes. Did not realize these things can even do it. Found really good tips here.
crappy Hatsan made 1.5” ctc. After that with Warp go near sub moa first day. New Wildcat will do it every day. Have also Kral Dazzle. Its perfect for low range with 18gr
Mention above have have barrel project for Warp. Love that gun. Goal is tweak that for 50/100yd. Got today LW 24” choked rifling and un choked polygonal. Designed also .22lr style 11deg barrel tip. Have no idea is it work with pcp. Friend machine them with 5-axis. Can wait to get results.
Maybe start project treat for board.
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Submission for Match 8
Shooting Date: 11/20/20
Shooter:Jimmy Fussell
Distance: 100 yards from back porch
Gun: FX Boss
Optics: Sightron SIII 10-50x60 on 30 power zeroed at 100yds
Ammo: JSB 30 cal 44.75 grain
Wind: none
50/50; 4x , 0.64" CTC
Position: Bench Rest standing; Rear Bag and Atlas clone Bipod
I actually started shooting earlier in the day and groups looked terrible in 3 to 4 mph winds. I gotta face it, I just not so good at shooting in the wind? But, I left everything set up and would come out on the back porch from time to time and try my luck. The winds died almost completely as it got dark.
At 5:30 pm with a flash light on targets I came within a gnats arse of hitting my first 5x????? That's the one I'm submitting. And at 6:00 pm I did it again and the group was actually 0.03" smaller! So the moral of the story is "a blind hog can find an acorn twice if he looks hard enough"!!!!
First two pics are for submission. Second two pics are whoops I did it again! Both groups so close to the golden 5X , but no cigar?
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These eight targets were shot though out the day on my mission to try and get that ever elusive 5x .
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Jimmy, my gosh you set a high bar to reach. :)
Some day, some day.
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Jimmy, my gosh you set a high bar to reach. :)
Some day, some day.
Carl, I can only do that on a dead calm day. I guess it was more like shooting indoors than outdoors?
If I went to an actual gun range with the guys that shoot EBR in those winds, I would probably come in at the rear of the pack.
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Submission for Match 8
Shooting Date: 11/20/20
Shooter:Jimmy Fussell
Distance: 100 yards from back porch
Gun: FX Boss
Optics: Sightron SIII 10-50x60 on 30 power zeroed at 100yds
Ammo: JSB 30 cal 44.75 grain
Wind: none
50/50; 4x , 0.64" CTC
Position: Bench Rest standing; Rear Bag and Atlas clone Bipod
I actually started shooting earlier in the day and groups looked terrible in 3 to 4 mph winds. I gotta face it, I just not so good at shooting in the wind? But, I left everything set up and would come out on the back porch from time to time and try my luck. The winds died almost completely as it got dark.
At 5:30 pm with a flash light on targets I came within a gnats arse of hitting my first 5x????? That's the one I'm submitting. And at 6:00 pm I did it again and the group was actually 0.03" smaller! So the moral of the story is "a blind hog can find an acorn twice if he looks hard enough"!!!!
First two pics are for submission. Second two pics are whoops I did it again! Both groups so close to the golden 5X , but no cigar?
Jimmy, soooooo close! This is your best yet and congrats!
“Santa, will you bring me an FX Boss .30 cal for Christmas?”
I think I’m going to ask Marty to move you back to 125 yards for 2021 matches. Sort of like Golf handicaps so the rest of us can have a chance.
Seriously great shooting.
P.s., I bombed my first official/unofficial 9.5 Lockdown virtual competition. Posted results and narrative on AGN. Disappointing, but I had a blast anyway.
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Tom, my hat is off to you for shooting the 9.5 Lockdown. Wow, you are really getting into the target shooting.
Most of my shooting is done in calm or dead calm winds. You guys that read the wind and shoot are my heroes. Especially when you can do it with .22 cal.
Now if I could just motivate myself to get out there tonight and try it with the .25 cal FX500?
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Tom, my hat is off to you for shooting the 9.5 Lockdown. Wow, you are really getting into the target shooting.
Most of my shooting is done in calm or dead calm winds. You guys that read the wind and shoot are my heroes. Especially when you can do it with .22 cal.
Now if I could just motivate myself to get out there tonight and try it with the .25 cal FX500?
Yeah you can. Have a cold beer and enjoy the .25 FX500. If you miss a shot, take a sip. If you get an X, take a sip. If you really mess up, chug the rest of the beer. Just teasin’ ya. It’s going to be a good weather day and I’m guessing the wind will again settle around dusk for you as it did yesterday.
I can ‘partially’ read some light winds, but usually it’s after missing a couple of wind calls. I’ve got a loooooong way to go. When I got to the range it was 29 degrees and chilly, with little to no wind. My big mistake was believing a 1-2 mph or less wind would NOT affect my shooting. I left my two home made flags in the truck. Dumb! I’m also uncertain if the colder temperatures adversely affect the accuracy. Who knows?
Also, I’m slowly learning that not having the correct and the same hold pressure for each shot is a no no. Consistent hold for each shot is hard, and shot to shot rifle hold consistency rules the day.
These guys and ladies that shoot competition EBR regularly can teach us a lot. I have learned that if I reread the EBR 75 and 100 yard; and the 9.5 Lockdown threads on AGN, there is a lot of tips and suggestions to improve technique.
Mike also mentioned to me that it’s much harder to shoot one bull at a time vs. shooting 5 in the same target. Like they do in EBR with those 44X37” large official targets with 25 bulls. I agree as I do much better on the 8X11” printed targets.
Anyway, good luck if you get a chance to shoot the FX500.
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I figured I'd post this for Tom if no one else is interested and also Marty, if you want to make my poor score with my FX500 .25 cal a submission I'm game for that.
I should have listened to Tom and cracked a beer. Was doing so poorly I didn't want to waste the paper, so used my old Boss targets and just marked me a new point of aim to shoot at. Used my clear 2.5 moa ruler to score them after the fact. I think you can tell I didn't cheat? LOL
Best score of the day was a 49/50 1x with a whopping 1.80" ctc so submit that if it's ok with everyone? LOL
Best group of the day was a 0.93" ctc but only scored a 47/50
Here's 4 targets with first one for possible submission? LOL
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Oh, if anyone is interested , here's info on the Pocket size MOA ruler
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Oh, if anyone is interested , here's info on the Pocket size MOA ruler
That is a bad @@@ ruler Jimmy. Glad you posted this.
Santa, please add to the list. Tx
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I figured I'd post this for Tom if no one else is interested and also Marty, if you want to make my poor score with my FX500 .25 cal a submission I'm game for that.
I should have listened to Tom and cracked a beer. Was doing so poorly I didn't want to waste the paper, so used my old Boss targets and just marked me a new point of aim to shoot at. Used my clear 2.5 moa ruler to score them after the fact. I think you can tell I didn't cheat? LOL
Best score of the day was a 49/50 1x with a whopping 1.80" ctc so submit that if it's ok with everyone? LOL
Best group of the day was a 0.93" ctc but only scored a 47/50
Here's 4 targets with first one for possible submission? LOL
Hey Jimmy
The rules do allow for one submission for each caliber, so you should be good to go. One for the .30 Boss and one for the FX 500 .25
I think I/we can sometimes loose sight of how difficult it is to consistently shoot 50/50 NUAH targets. A lot of 47, 48, 49/50 practice targets before I can muster up a 50/50 card with my .22 RAW or RW.
Said a bit differently, “ I would not want to be an inquisitive squirrel trying to eat an acorn/nut in Jimmy’s back yard!”
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Yes Tom, I was aware of the submission for each caliber, but my target wasn't within the guidelines because I reused an old target and scored it after the fact with the MOA ruler. It was and embarrassing score to say the least and thought it would look cool to have one of the higher scores in the match along with the lowest score in the match? LOL
The squirrels got it made around here. I feed them just like I do the deer and the rest of the critters that wonder into the yard.
https://youtu.be/lQ7aXUqgEPM
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Hmmm, according to my MOA ruler, my printed targets are just a hair smaller when superimposed against the ruler?
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Yes Tom, I was aware of the submission for each caliber, but my target wasn't within the guidelines because I reused an old target and scored it after the fact with the MOA ruler. It was and embarrassing score to say the least and thought it would look cool to have one of the higher scores in the match along with the lowest score in the match? LOL
The squirrels got it made around here. I feed them just like I do the deer and the rest of the critters that wonder into the yard.
https://youtu.be/lQ7aXUqgEPM
Gotcha. I was pretty sure you had the rules down but I forgot about your target. Up to Marty but I think it should count. Plus, it’s nice to see the good, the bad and the XXXX. ( not so good ).
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Jimmy, your targets may be printed undersize.... but more likely you are seeing the difference between the 1" "X" ring we use for NUAH, and an actual MOA, with is 1.047".... For simplicity, we use 1" as 1 MOA for NUAH.... It's in the rules.... The 8 ring should measure 4.000" if printed at 100%....
Bob
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Jimmy, your targets may be printed undersize.... but more likely you are seeing the difference between the 1" "X" ring we use for NUAH, and an actual MOA, with is 1.047".... For simplicity, we use 1" as 1 MOA for NUAH.... It's in the rules.... The 8 ring should measure 4.000" if printed at 100%....
Bob
Bob, yes the 8 ring measures 4 inches with my stick ruler, and the x"ring looks remarkably close in size to the MOA 1" ring on the moa ruler. But the 9" ring looks considerably smaller than the 2" ring on the moa ruler??
Oh, I'm not complaining or trying to cut hairs, just something I noticed this morning playing around with things? Thanks for the info on the 1.047" moa? Dummy me wasn't even aware of that? I learn something new every day on here. But now I'm just too dang old to remember it? LOL
Maybe the 2 moa ring on the ruler measures 2.094 and that's where I see the difference? I bet that's what it is? Thanks for the insight!
Peace and moa ruler grease!!!!!
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Got into the range to do some shooting few weeks ago. Still had the time to submit this months paper :D
I had a pretty good day for shooting. Only small steady wind but it seemed that the pellets wouldn't want to fly straight as I had used to. There was always something small to mess up my groups :-\
Name: Montana Airgunner Ari
Airgun: Hatsan Flash QE .22
Scope: Hawk Vantage 3-12x44
Pellet/Bullet: FX Pellet 18.1gr
Position: Sitting benchrest, UTG Bipod and gunrest on the back
Score and Group Size: 1.9CTC
A side note! I also participated in the EBR9.5 competition and did a pretty okay 324 overall points on the competition. I was very pleased how my 400 dollar setup did against everyone else in the competition. I think that I will participate more into these types of events in the future. I had a blast and it was very nice experience even during the COVID-19 time.
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Great job Ari, looks like a 47/50 on the score.
To me, the awesome part is you did it with a 12 power scope! You kicked air buddy!
Peace and pellet grease
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Match #8 is closed signaling the last match for 2020. The final results are listed in the first post.
This has been one of the best matches yet, score and participation wise. Excellent shooting everyone and I hope everyone comes back next year to do it again. Thanks to all for your participation.
Note... In he future only unaltered GTA targets designed for this match will be accepted as an entry.
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Yes, Jimmy, and 4 MOA is actually 4.188", but for NUAH we use 4.000".... That is a difference of 3/16", so if you can shoot 1 MOA on a NUAH target you are actually doing better than that.... We were after simplicity and consistency when we made that decision in the beginning of NUAH.... Likewise, scoring the lower value when you touch the line for the Match scores was to even out the difference between calibers as much as possible.... We aren't alone in that, the "Unlimited" class in .22LR 50 yd. benchrest also score the lower value.... If you touch the 1/4" diam. 10 ring, you score a 9, and the target is so small that means every 10 is an X.... :o
Bob
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Thanks for the great info Bob, and thanks for letting my altered target stand this match Marty as I learned so much from it all via Bob. Look forward to shooting with you guys next year.
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You guys are some really impressive marksmen. Didn't get another chance to shoot but a 5X isn't out of the question. That will give me something to aim for. ;)
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Enazle
I haven't found a slug to barrel combination for any of my guns that group worth a hoot, of course I haven't tried that many.
Tell us more about your slugs. I'm assuming you cast your own?
http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-155D-D.png (http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-155D-D.png)
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I made a mistake and my bullet is a 31-151G. http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-151G-D.png (http://www.accuratemolds.com/bullet_detail.php?bullet=31-151G-D.png)
It's form factor is very close to that of the .257 Ranch Dawg designed by a buddy down here in Texas. As a hollow point hunting round it is devastating on feral hogs we hunt. So when I moved to the .308 platform I first used NSA's 128gr hollow points with good success. The problem was the 128gr didn't produce a legal amount of FPE for deer without going supersonic. So I started looking of a similar slug to the Ranch Dog in a 308 and the 31-151g was as proportionally close as I could find. I sent the mold of to Erik for an inset hollow point. I couldn't be happier with the accuracy and how hard this thing hits down range. I have a 1/4" plate steel spinner set up at 100 yards and this gun literally puts a 1/16" pivot in it! The mold is gas checked and i believe it acts like a boat tail at sub-sonic speeds.
I will say that sizing and lube are key factors in keeping groups tight. I use wd40 dry lube by coating the bullets and then letting them dry. I also found .3085" is optimal for my gun. I might add the gun spits these slugs out right around 1020 fps on the first and second shot producing right at 320 FPE at the muzzle and 230 FPE at 100 yards.
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Thanks for the update on your slug choice and information. I know shooting with that much power uses a lot of air, can you shoot a 5 shot group like that on one fill? Or do you have to keep the gun hooked to the SCBA tank for groups?
That's some crazy power in the .308 caliber range. I had an older Dragon Slayer in .50 cal. It was fun but way to loud for my taste. I shot the 180 grain round balls out of it. I could get close to 720 fps with the first shot or two then it steadily dropped off. Wish I had kept it.
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Match #8 is closed signaling the last match for 2020. The final results are listed in the first post.
This has been one of the best matches yet, score and participation wise. Excellent shooting everyone and I hope everyone comes back next year to do it again. Thanks to all for your participation.
Note... In he future only unaltered GTA targets designed for this match will be accepted as an entry.
Marty
I too want to thank you for all the work that goes into running and maintaining all the NUAH monthly challenges. It is clear that there is a healthy following and people really enjoy sharing information and learnings.
Look forward to next year and make sure that we move Jimmy back to 125 yards so the rest of us have a fighting chance and can try and keep up. That Boss in his hands is deadly!
Tom
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Haha, same here Tom. Thanks for all you do for us Marty.
And all you have to do is make sure I shoot in 5 to 10 mph winds and you guys won't have any trouble at all beating me. But hey Tom, you already have. That killer 50/50 4x you shot a match or two back was quite impressive!
I just want a .22 cal that can keep up? I don't have a .22 that can keep up with you guys? Or even a .25? LOL
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Haha, same here Tom. Thanks for all you do for us Marty.
And all you have to do is make sure I shoot in 5 to 10 mph winds and you guys won't have any trouble at all beating me. But hey Tom, you already have. That killer 50/50 4x you shot a match or two back was quite impressive!
I just want a .22 cal that can keep up? I don't have a .22 that can keep up with you guys? Or even a .25? LOL
Ha ha, looking forward to next year’s matches. I almost enjoy the teasing as much as the matches!
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Marty, I have a friend who wants to join in the fun with us next year, but he's not allowed to take pictures at his range. It's a huge indoor 100 yd shooting range with 30 lanes. He can only take pictures of the targets when he gets home or leaves the building. I know shooting indoors is an advantage, but heck I wait till calm weather and even shoot at night to dodge the winds. I think it would just be cool to see what he does on a month to month basis.
I understand if others think it's not fair, but heck I just like to see us push the limits. Maybe have an indoor division?
He shot this ten shot group indoors at 100 with his .22 Taipan back in 2018
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There is absolutely NO requirement that this match be shot outdoors.
Advantages are advantages. It’s no different than shooting a larger caliber, using slugs, setting up next to a wind break, or getting up in the middle of the night when the winds are slack, no rules against any of them. Have at it.
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There is absolutely NO requirement that this match be shot outdoors.
Advantages are advantages. It’s no different than shooting a larger caliber, using slugs, setting up next to a wind break, or getting up in the middle of the night when the winds are slack, no rules against any of them. Have at it.
Thanks, he was just worried he couldn't enter because he's not allowed to photo his setup at the range?
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Marty, I have a friend who wants to join in the fun with us next year, but he's not allowed to take pictures at his range. It's a huge indoor 100 yd shooting range with 30 lanes. He can only take pictures of the targets when he gets home or leaves the building. I know shooting indoors is an advantage, but heck I wait till calm weather and even shoot at night to dodge the winds. I think it would just be cool to see what he does on a month to month basis.
I understand if others think it's not fair, but heck I just like to see us push the limits. Maybe have an indoor division?
He shot this ten shot group indoors at 100 with his .22 Taipan back in 2018
That’s some nice group at 100 yards. I’m glad the rules do support either indoor or outdoors, as the whole concept of NUAH as explained to me was to encourage a friendly casual competition.
As an aside ( Jimmy, you are already aware of this ) and for others on this forum, there are already a number of virtual 75 and 100 yard EBR virtual informal competitions on the AGN forum. The intent there is also to provide a way for members to participate in distance bench rest shooting events.
My point here is that it’s all fun and the more that join up and participate, the better for all of us.
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Marty, I have a friend who wants to join in the fun with us next year, but he's not allowed to take pictures at his range. It's a huge indoor 100 yd shooting range with 30 lanes. He can only take pictures of the targets when he gets home or leaves the building. I know shooting indoors is an advantage, but heck I wait till calm weather and even shoot at night to dodge the winds. I think it would just be cool to see what he does on a month to month basis.
I understand if others think it's not fair, but heck I just like to see us push the limits. Maybe have an indoor division?
He shot this ten shot group indoors at 100 with his .22 Taipan back in 2018
Like Blue said " there's no requirement that this match be shot outdoors". Also you don't need a picture of the range for this match(NUAH Club yes, 100 Yard match no), its only a recommendation.
If there is a lot of opposition it could come up to a member vote to create a new rule though.
I have no problem with a target being shot indoors.
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The only tweak I might like some discussion on over this winter would be something to level the field a bit. This season especially there have been times I have felt, shall we say, under equipped I guess.
It’s not that my setup is basic or low end (anymore) but going up against multi thousand dollar rigs, big (or at least bigger for .25) calibers, and highly tuned slug shooters had me drop out for the last round. I can shoot a 50/50 on a good day, every once in a while, maybe, but not often.
I know we tried to address multi caliber fairness when we designed the rules which is why we score out instead of in but maybe it’s time to revisit.
I’m not suggesting a different target or distance but maybe a handicap system that says if you score a 50/50 card, regardless of where you place in the round, you have to move back xx yards for the next round. I don’t know, this is where I’d love to hear some discussion. I played in a golf tournament years ago that had a rule stating if you scored a birdie on a hole you moved back one tee position to start the next hole.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m saving for one of those “you paid how much for a pellet gun” guns and should be upgrading my equipment sometime next summer so I’ll be feeling different soon. I just know that from the perspective of someone who has a lower end setup (gen 2 marauder, MMHF barrel, JSAR SS2 valve, Lane reg, Hill hammer, etc.) I didn’t feel like I could really compete this year.
p.s. I really want to figure out some kind of blind score system too, where no one sees anyone else’s score until the results get posted. I don’t know how that would work and it’s for another discussion possibly, but I think that would be exciting!
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Thanks for the heads up Marty, and Tom and Blue.
I'll let him know. He used to come over and shoot with me all the time before he retired and moved to Virginia. I watched him shoot three grapes in a row at hundred yards from my back yard with his Taipan right before he retired. Maybe next time he's down to NC , we can get him entered in the NUAH club as well.
Blue, I've seen some pretty sweet shooting Marauders. I had a Gen 1 tuned by Greg Davis with a barrel from Jim Gaska. Sold it to a friend who was just starting out in FT back 2016. He won the 2019 Hunter Division in the Nationals with it. Daystate is sponsoring him now with a fancy Red Wolf. I think the covid &^^& put a damper on the Nats this year? Hoping he will give me first dibs if he ever sells the old Marauder.
As for the 50/50 scores, it's starting to be more of the norm than not. Lots of folks are doing it. I guess the only thing that knocks out the fairness, is some have to go to an outdoor range and shoot in the weather that's presented to them. I have the opportunity to shoot in my back yard and I shoot when the wind has died down and lots of times at night. I shoot 10 or 12 targets and cherry pick the best. I try to show the other targets I shoot to show the good with the bad.
I don't really want to move out distance wise and deal with rezeroing etc from match to match. I leave it zeroed at 100 just for 100 yd shooting.
I've got a custom Cricket Mini converted to .25 cal by Derrick Wall heading this way. She's shooting the 34.95 grain at 910 fps. Hope to start off next year with it.
Here's a pic of Philip with the old Marauder! My hero. He started out shooting FT with a cheap springer and once I talked him into buying my Marauder and a tank, he stuck with it and I consider him one of the best now.
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I don't really want to move out distance wise and deal with rezeroing etc from match to match. I leave it zeroed at 100 just for 100 yd shooting.
Yeah, I don’t know if there even IS an answer or if I just have my cranky pants on this morning but I’m hoping we could brain storm a little over the off season. Other ideas I had but don’t know how details would work are; caliber groups or even bore category groups (small bore, mid bore, large bore), or energy groupings (under or over X FPE or X FPE to X FPE).
I don’t want to over complicate things because it IS still FUN, I just don’t think I can COMPETE in the current configuration.
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I don't really want to move out distance wise and deal with rezeroing etc from match to match. I leave it zeroed at 100 just for 100 yd shooting.
Yeah, I don’t know if there even IS an answer or if I just have my cranky pants on this morning but I’m hoping we could brain storm a little over the off season. Other ideas I had but don’t know how details would work are; caliber groups or even bore category groups (small bore, mid bore, large bore), or energy groupings (under or over X FPE or X FPE to X FPE).
I don’t want to over complicate things because it IS still FUN, I just don’t think I can COMPETE in the current configuration.
I'll try to compete with my less competitive guns in the mix if it will make ya feel better!!!!LOL That darn Boss makes it to easy! I just never had a gun that could do it? You guys with the .22 cals and busting 50/50 are my heroes.
I gotta feeling when Chan get's on here with his Taipan we're gonna see a 50/50 5x in .22 cal for sure!
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I don’t personally mind indoors/ outdoors or any caliber. Its everyone personal decision.
Open rules give chance most of people attend. This is just for fun.
I personally want shoot same as everyone else.
Only way see where your equipment and skill level is.
For this mach Fussel was best for .30 cal. Me .25 and Tommy for .22. We all are winners.
If someday can beat with .22 to .25 or with .25 to .30 even better.
- J
Ps. Made some mods to WC. Test shot three targets at 55yd.
2x dreamline 17cc plenums, huma reg with large plenum (70cc total) and barrel support. Its with .22 jsb redesigned. One with 18gr
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IMO, until we have multiple shooters shooting 50/50 - 5X, and therefore ties, we don't need to even consider changing the rules for the Matches.... If guys want to show they are better than the other "Masters", then back up and shoot at longer range, this is provided for in the current NUAH rules.... For example, we have only ONE Master who has qualified at over 100 yds, and that is Doug Noble (dyotat100), who qualified at 200 yds....
Bob
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IMO, until we have multiple shooters shooting 50/50 - 5X, and therefore ties, we don't need to even consider changing the rules for the Matches.... If guys want to show they are better than the other "Masters", then back up and shoot at longer range, this is provided for in the current NUAH rules.... For example, we have only ONE Master who has qualified at over 100 yds, and that is Doug Noble (dyotat100), who qualified at 200 yds....
Bob
Good grief, I just pulled up Doug's post. 1.25" at 200....holy cow! He's in Master class to the 2nd power! Won't ever see that done with a pellet though!
And great shooting with your modified cat Jari!