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I'm new here and have a Question. I have a .25 Sumatra carbine and wanted to know if it's ethical to hunt hogs with it? My feeder is 40 yards from tree stand.
Thanks
Ben
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If you are producing at least 60 fpe, yes.
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I shoot a 34.7 gr @ 950 fps = over 70 fpe.
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Since you posted in Manny's Corner, I'm sure he'll chime in sooner or later. But, I do believe he's killed more than few hogs with Sumatra carbine.
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Been shooting kodiaks 31 grains. First shot 1000 fps.
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That's 68.85 fpe. That's plenty
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Where would be the best place to shoot in the head at 40 yards? Should I get heavier ammo?
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Between the ear and eye. Domes work best.
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Heavier ammo is a good idea. Even if it slows your velocity down a bit, it evens out.
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What would be a good weight? Tried eunjin 43 grains but not accurate. They shoot 900 fps
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The JSB 34 gr. You can also check out Nielsen Spec ammo. 39gr. Rat Sniper ammo too.
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What size is the barrel of Sumatra carbine in .25.
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What size is the barrel of Sumatra carbine in .25.
Are you wanting length or exact caliber?
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Caliber for ordering cast ammo
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Manny is the man.
He typically takes two kinds of shots to the head.
1. Front of head between and above the eyes when the pig is looking down. Pellet needs to hit direct 90 degrees to forehead, otherwise pellet may bounce off instead of penetrating.
2.Between eye and ear.
In .25 I believe Manny likes the Crosman Premiers with normal round head because it is a harder lead and does a good job of penetrating skull.
Number 2? Maybe JSB Heavies.
Number 3: perhaps the Eun Jin 43.6 grains. I find them highly accurate. The 36 grains, not so much.
Sumatra Carbine tends to not be pellet picky.
Manny has a great post or two on pig anatomy. Search for it and you'll find pig skulls to study
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What size is the barrel of Sumatra carbine in .25.
.252 -.254 ammo works best in my carbine. It'll push a 43g Eun Jin 900fps.
H&N Baracudas work well. Consistent accuracy & good penetration. But needs the power wheel throttled back or they shoot too fast for accuracy. I also shoot 41g BBT slugs sized to .252 with good results.
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Looked on Nielsen website but all I could find were .250. What are bbt slugs?
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Just use Benjamin domes and do brain shot. The Benjamins are harder lead than most pellets and will penetrate the skull easier. Here is a video of a person killing 2 pigs with a 22 cal Sumatra
http://youtu.be/K5BNNfOJTlk (http://youtu.be/K5BNNfOJTlk)
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Looked on Nielsen website but all I could find were .250. What are bbt slugs?
.250 is too small IMO. I can't get them to even stay in the magazine.
BBT= Bob's boat tail. Bob Stern's design.
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It takes some trial and error to find a slug that will outperform pellets in small bore guns. I've tried several different slugs in my sumatra and have yet to find one that outperform the pellets that shoot well in it. I would just use whatever pellet that works great in your gun and concentrate on hitting a good shot. You have enough energy to get the job done so shot placement is the key.
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I've killed big Hogs with less powerful guns than the Sumatra Carbine, proper shot placement and right pellet is more important than raw power,
Baracudas and Benjamin pellets are great and usually shoot well out of Sumatras, JSB 34gr didn't exist when I had Sumatra but I would be surprised if they wasn't accurate so I would give them a try, also those are surprisingly hard pellets.
Here is a thread with several pictures and info about head shooting hogs
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=49944.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=49944.0)
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It takes some trial and error to find a slug that will outperform pellets in small bore guns. I've tried several different slugs in my sumatra and have yet to find one that outperform the pellets that shoot well in it. I would just use whatever pellet that works great in your gun and concentrate on hitting a good shot. You have enough energy to get the job done so shot placement is the key.
Agreed.
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Thanks a lot everyone. I have some Benjamin domes and barracudas. Wasn't sure if 40 yards was too far.
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Jim Chapman killed a pig with a 28 FPE 22 cal Brocock at 40 yards, so the Sumatra carbine will more than handle them at 40 yards.
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Going to give it shot tomorrow. I studied the hog skull post
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Seems you have enough power and 40 yards is a good distance with that gun. Head shot behind eye and you should drop em like a bad habit. Trick like so many are going to tell you is the pellet/bullet placement. Hogs are hardy animals. A through and through the heart and lung and that bad boy will run quite a few yards before dropping. Solid headshot and they'll drop over kicking.
I wish you good luck! Dropping a hog with an air gun is a bucket list thing to do for many of us. Glad you have the chance!
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Given the choice,
I much prefer the frontal shot rather than the side shot.
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I would defer to this guy; HE KNOWS WHAT HE'S TALKING ABOUT more than most!
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How do you post pictures?
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How do you post pictures?
Got one already ? :)
I use Photobucket
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Got one last night. Loading pictures on photobucket now. I live in the country and internet is slow here. Definitely not easy due to hogs head is always moving. My feeder goes off at 9pm and 10:30pm. Hogs won't come to it in the daytime. I did like you said Manny and waited for the frontal shot. Seemed like I waited forever and I would've shot another one but they ran off and I was shaky. There was 5 or 6 young pigs, a boar, and a sow. I shot the sow. She dropped in the mud right there. Pulled it out with my 4 wheeler. Thanks for all the advice guys.
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Ben,
You need 20 posts before you can post pictures. Looking forward to seeing your hog pics.
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I'm just sitting here like
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Which pellet did you use and what distance?
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Kodiak match 31 grains at 40 yards
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Guess I need to post some more so I can upload pictures
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I have a sightmark photon 4.6 digital night vision scope. It has a video out. I asked my girlfriend for micro DVr recorder so I can record my hunts.
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My birthday is Wednesday
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Has anyone ever been shaky when you see what you were hunting?
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I had to set my gun down and take some deep breaths to try to calm myself
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if you have video you could try uploading it to youtube or vimeo and pasting a link here. it's best to not give much info on yourself and turn off comments if you use youtube.
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I had to set my gun down and take some deep breaths to try to calm myself
they call it Buck Fever, but in your case it's Hog fever, never had it happen to me, even when I got my first Buck, it's the adrenaline rush.....
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Now I do get the shakes when I go to Fly a new expensive R/C Glider or power plane, but 1 Beer solves the jitters real quick......
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I don't have video. My girlfriend is getting me a recorder for my scope this week for my birthday
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I had opportunity to shoot a some small pigs after I shot the sow but was too shaky
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I have 20 posts how do I post pictures. I uploaded them to photobucket
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I don't have video. My girlfriend is getting me a recorder for my scope this week for my birthday
Lucky Man to have a Woman help you with your Hobby's or interests, do you have a LDC on your Sumatra, if not there are a few good site on the web to get one for a decent price., I got Mine for Wolf Ag's
http://www.wolfairguns.com/index.php?cPath=34&osCsid=8dcfad73b3181ae786754d2abac8dca2 (http://www.wolfairguns.com/index.php?cPath=34&osCsid=8dcfad73b3181ae786754d2abac8dca2)
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Yes. I ordered one from wolf when I bought gun. Works pretty good.
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I have 20 posts how do I post pictures. I uploaded them to photobucket
Use the Attachments and other options link at the bottom of the page, or you can use the hyperlink (insert image), it's the first button below the Bold "B" on the menu bar for fonts, use copy and paste for that.
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if you use Attachments, make sure your file size is smaller than 350KB per picture, the smaller the faster it will upload, Usually a medium setting works fine, 250 to 300 KB per picture.
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I have 20 posts how do I post pictures. I uploaded them to photobucket
Just copy the image link from PhotoBucket and paste it in your post here.
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I had to set my gun down and take some deep breaths to try to calm myself
LOL. Welcome to the fold.
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(http://i346.photobucket.com/albums/p433/ben_barker3/IMG_0180_zps8xj8dmap.jpg) (http://s346.photobucket.com/user/ben_barker3/media/IMG_0180_zps8xj8dmap.jpg.html)
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Nice pig.
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I copied link and posted it but didn't show up
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Whoops I see now
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Nice Pig, it takes a little bit of time to upload one that big. ;)
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Good shooting and nice pig. I'm looking forward to the videos when you get it set up.
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You in the "club" :)
The shakes ? ...I still get those, pretty cool how you body works right ?
The H&N Baracuda are excellent head shot pellets
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Got one last night. Loading pictures on photobucket now. I live in the country and internet is slow here. Definitely not easy due to hogs head is always moving. My feeder goes off at 9pm and 10:30pm. Hogs won't come to it in the daytime. I did like you said Manny and waited for the frontal shot. Seemed like I waited forever and I would've shot another one but they ran off and I was shaky. There was 5 or 6 young pigs, a boar, and a sow. I shot the sow. She dropped in the mud right there. Pulled it out with my 4 wheeler. Thanks for all the advice guys.
Yep, hogs heads are constantly moving and that's why given the choice I prefer the frontal shot, easier to predict the movement and get in front of if when they are lowering the head to feed and shoot as it gets in position, you want to be ready to shoot as it stops because if you need time to acquire your target by the time you ready to shoot it might be moving again
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Noice! That's a good size pig you got there! Congratulations! Are you gonna eat that?
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I brought it to a friend and he will eat it. I do intend on keeping a smaller one for myself. Hopefully more experience I get I will be able to control the shakes. 40 yards is the maximum distance I want to hunt hogs. My scope is a 4.6power. I have a good many hogs on my dads farm. Have a couple trail cameras. My house is on 10 acres of woods and had a really big hog on camera last year. Recently had 2 boars together. Been trying to get them to come around more. They spook easy. Thanks everyone for the advice. I'm going to try again soon
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Set up the feeder for 3 PM and also dig a hole under the feeder and occasionally fill it with fruit or scraps ( check out some of my videos ), the corn will go into the hole, mix with the fruit and make the hogs work more, rooting is what they do naturally,.....they will eventually get used to come out earlier too.
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How can I find your videos? Should the fruit be spoiled?
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On my Threads, Usually I put it on the title if a video was taken.
Can be spoiled or not, .....gluttony will eventually overcome prudence :)
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What's the biggest hog you've killed with an air rifle? I see you kill a lot of them. We trap hogs too but haven't lately. I'm the only one in the family that goes hunting for hogs. Everyone else just kills them when deer hunting. My dad has a cattle farm and a canal runs through it. Hogs like it down there in the bottom we call it. They tear up the pasture in a hurry so my dad is glad I'm hunting them. I have soaked corn in diesel fuel so the raccoons won't eat it. Sometimes raccoons can be a problem for me.
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Biggest overall or biggest per caliber ?
Looks like it's time to shoot some coons too :) :)
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Should have been specific. Sorry. What's the biggest hog you've killed with a .25? Just curious if I will have a problem penetrating a large boars head? I killed 3 raccoons Friday night. They have completely sabotaged my feeder in the past.
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It would be either this Boar (second lots of pictures, I got a saw 1/2 hour earlier ) Evanix MAX shooting Benjamin pellets
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=33421.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=33421.0)
Or this one taken with and Evanix StormPup again shooting Benjamin pellets
Can't find the Thread but here's the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-04nDd9ac&t=179s (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5-04nDd9ac&t=179s)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF1006_zpsc4f124f1.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF1006_zpsc4f124f1.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF1015_zpsd5bcf35d.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF1015_zpsd5bcf35d.jpg.html)
Also this one is a pretty thick one, this Rainstorm is a bit powered up at 68 FPE shooting the 34gr JSB
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=118823.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=118823.0)
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Liked how you patiently waited for the shot. Those are some big hogs. Impressive! Are barracuda and Benjamin domes equal in penetration from your experience? If both had the same accuracy which would you prefer?
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I liked them both but I got better accuracy with the Benjamin on my stock Evanix but I remember my Sumatra to be more accurate with Baracuda, both are great for the 60 FPE range,
Going up to the 70 FPE range which your carbine is, I definitely would try the JSB 34gr ( those didn't exist in the days I had Sumatras so I never had the chance to )
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I'll have to order some soon. Thanks
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Nice rifle and good hog hunt Ben. Sounds like you have a good setup there and if they're tearing up farm land then it's really win/win. We've got hogs on our property here in LA but I haven't seriously hunted them. Killed a few that the dogs cornered while hunting rabbits and my nephews trapped about a dozen of them over 3 yrs. in early 2000's. I need to get a PCP and start popping them. Might try with .22 LR as well. ;D
Cheers
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I bought me a 25 carbine last year and its a cannon, I cant believe you haven't bought another Pirate man. David
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I bought me a 25 carbine last year and its a cannon, I cant believe you haven't bought another Pirate man. David
My man, not a day goes by when my finger isn't trembling over the keyboad wanting to order one :) :) .....but I think I would want to go with a .22 with the new 34gr JSB the 30gr Piledivers and off course the 32 and 28gr EunJin there's now great ammo for the .22, also the .22 when powered down shoots the cheap 14.3gr pellets real well for a ton of shots and pretty quiet for backyard plinking :)
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Steav, thanks for sharing the pellets that he uses, i can't find a disclosure on what pellets he uses with his hunts. this will give me some infor on what to buy and use
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I shoot, 43g Eun Jins, 34g JSBs, 31g Baracudas, 28g Benjamins, 28g Hunter Extremes, 26g Polymags & 25g JSBs in my carbine & it shoots them all very well. The Eun Jins, Baracudas & Benjamins are a lot harder than the JSBs.
It's just a matter of adjusting the power wheel to compensate for different pellet weights. That's just two of the great things about the Sumatra, adjustable power & not pellet picky.
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I shoot, 43g Eun Jins, 34g JSBs, 31g Baracudas, 28g Benjamins, 28g Hunter Extremes, 26g Polymags & 25g JSBs in my carbine & it shoots them all very well. The Eun Jins, Baracudas & Benjamins are a lot harder than the JSBs.
It's just a matter of adjusting the power wheel to compensate for different pellet weights. That's just two of the great things about the Sumatra, adjustable power & not pellet picky.
Yeah, those Sumatras are hunting gems,...My carbine used to shoot the H&N Hollowpoint ( the old style one ) real well too and those where super cheap.
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What size is the barrel of Sumatra carbine in .25.
All newer Sumatra .25's have lands of .251 & micro groove rifling so very little blow by. if 10 years or older it might have the .253 land barrels.
There's TWO things to do and a Sumatra or Evanix will shoot anything accurately. Sumatras are much easier as the power adjuster wheel. Easiest technical way is to have a slightly large soft slug swaged through barrel, and measured to the ten thousandths. Then order slugs sized to your exact thousandths. Depending on weight, power setting, number of shots you want or settle for, spread, accuracy, is all up to you testing & tuning.
What I personally do with my .25 Sumatra is use the mag in reverse as a sizer for the skirt, and or shoot them through on the lowest setting that will just get them through the barrel into a 55 gallon drum of water. They are now perfectly sized to the point of not being able to see any light through the grooves. If I use Benjamin Domes, at about 6-7 up, or down on wheel, right in the middle of the 13 settings, any pellet does fine though I suggest a lower setting for 25.43 Kings as a Sumatra will literally rip their skirt off/shred it. Benjamins are a bit harder and can take it. 33.95's are great, thicker skirt. First gen, not 2nd as head is smaller.
I even sized .253 50 grain Air Venturi slugs through the barrel on a low setting, then shot them on 1/2 power to 3/4 and all of the above ammo at 40 yards will go into one ragged hole.
I don't suggest firing anything at full power unless you just want to waste air or are pushing 50-70 grain solid slugs and just want penetration. You can get accuracy at full power with slugs but you're going to have a drop in POI even at 30 yards with every shot, so, up to you.
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It takes some trial and error to find a slug that will outperform pellets in small bore guns. I've tried several different slugs in my sumatra and have yet to find one that outperform the pellets that shoot well in it. I would just use whatever pellet that works great in your gun and concentrate on hitting a good shot. You have enough energy to get the job done so shot placement is the key.
I think you're likely right about that for accuracy... and if you're interested in accuracy... it's going to take time to figure it out and brings you back to pellets, which JSB so far for me are pretty awesome... but I'm looking for pellet molds for both .25 (Marauder) and .357. I may be looking for another .30 caliber as well.
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my sumatra carbine puts 6 in a dime size hole @35yrds with the 33.95gr jsb pellets running 1060fps....she is smoke'n power tuned for hunting 8)
i hunt hogs with these and the eunjin 43's on high power
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I LOVE THOSE GUNS !!!!!!!!
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my sumatra carbine puts 6 in a dime size hole @35yrds with the 33.95gr jsb pellets running 1060fps....she is smoke'n power tuned for hunting 8)
i hunt hogs with these and the eunjin 43's on high power
da heck? 34gr JSBs at 1060 FPS? :o :o
I need to get my hands on one of these!
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i am pushing 1020fps with the 34grains using the gauntlet 25 cal with cothran valve at 2700psi.
if yours grouping well then i am hopeful for that speed.
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ok...I'm off to that Cothran valve thread. I think I'm missing something here.
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ok...I'm off to that Cothran valve thread. I think I'm missing something here.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155492.msg155715912#msg155715912 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155492.msg155715912#msg155715912)
teehee...giving ya a freebie cothran thread. yah man, regulated in the gauntlet...loving it
i still wanna buy a Sumatra though. its got one of the best barrel out there for sure. i saw southerngunner shooting a sumatra with the benjamin domes 31 grains i think? 1/2 inch at 50 yards and 990fps or above...beast
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my sumatra carbine puts 6 in a dime size hole @35yrds with the 33.95gr jsb pellets running 1060fps....she is smoke'n power tuned for hunting 8)
i hunt hogs with these and the eunjin 43's on high power
da heck? 34gr JSBs at 1060 FPS? :o :o
I need to get my hands on one of these!
How about 91 fpe with 43gr eunjin's 8)