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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Hunting Gate => Topic started by: Nomadic Pirate on July 07, 2016, 03:16:50 PM
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It's been a while since I hunted with a PCP, .....what, since I had the FLEX .30 in ?
About 6 weeks ago I was testing the possibility of using my Daughter's Disco for a Hunt, here's the thread.
http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=109390.0 (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=109390.0)
I ended up not changing the transfer port and leaving her as is and yesterday I had a chance to take her out for a hunt.
This was my set up overlooking a narrow gulch where some mango trees are dropping fruit
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From a bit down the slope
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From further down the slope
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At about 3 PM a perfect sized (for the Disco) little boar came in, ... but the wind shifted and he made me, if you listen carefully you should hear it grunting as he's leaving up the slope.
Here's the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfTqNfC7lmY&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xfTqNfC7lmY&feature=youtu.be)
About 2 Hours later a very nice young boar came in, he came in hot, I had to scramble to turn the camera on, and in the video you can see I had to adjust the AO, I'm not a good target shooter at all (I get all nervous) even in archery, but when it comes to hunting for some reason I'm much better, the Winds where shifting often and I didn't want to be made by this Boar too so I took a pretty quick shot.
Here's the Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIS3tShJ5E&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPIS3tShJ5E&feature=youtu.be)
The Boar dropped and did a few lazy kicks and that was it, gotta admit I was surprised by that
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(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF2204_zpsys788lgx.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF2204_zpsys788lgx.jpg.html)
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Wow! With the perfect shot placement, that Disco dropped him in his tracks. Great hunt and footage Manny.
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nice hunt.
is that Disco stock forend shaved down?
Actually the grain and color look like a custom stock. Boyd's?
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That is just so cool. Congrats on a fine hunt.
Jeff
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Great Shooting Manny. Great pictures and he just dropped. Excellent shot placement for sure,
Jay
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Three cheers for the Discovery .177, fine shooting on Manny part, and to the young pig for doing his part.
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nice hunt.
is that Disco stock forend shaved down?
Actually the grain and color look like a custom stock. Boyd's?
No the stock is factory.
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Nice shooting as always Manny.
How many pigs do you get a year?
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Great hunt. Now the next step a pumper hog hunt. I know it can and you can. Shot placement is the key. While hunting cottontails this last Saturday I killed a 3/4 grown coyote at 22 yrds with my little Gamo Hornet and 7.9 crossmann hollow point. He was walking away and took it at base of skull. Had pictures and my dumb @@@ deleted them. Again great job. Wolfer
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Excellent shooting Manny! The Disco had plenty of power at that distance (10-12yds?) to drop the hog. That was perfect shot placement. I see a power adjuster on it. Was it dialed up? What pellet did you use? CP/CPHP?
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Harry, all the stats are on the linked thread.
This Disco came from Norm at 12-13 FPE,it has a power adjuster and I maxed it out and it's 17 FPE with the Baracuda
I think the distance was about 17 yards ?
17 FPE .17 Disco @ 17 Yards :) :) :) :)
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Lucky seven............teen! :)
I used to get passthrough's on Groundhogs with my 14fpe Diana 36 .177 at 20-23yds (900fps w/CPHP) so I would have had little to no doubt that 17fpe could take a young hog. Oh I almost forgot. Congrats on another FIRST for the Hunting Gate :)
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Excellent score there!!
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Nice one Manny!
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Excellent job Manny, very well done indeed. Thanks for showing that with skill and preparedness the .177 though it is the smallest caliber, can get the job done just as well as a larger caliber can.
Congratulations on your successful hunt brother.
And let me glady welcome you with a big grin into the brotherhood of .177 large animal hunters. There aren't many of us, but what we lack in numbers we more than make up for in skill and effort. You've done well, and we're all proud of what you've accomplished.
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Another fine example of smaller caliber airguns taken larger game. Great shooting vid and pics. Ed
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Wow!! Great shot Manny!!
About how much did that hog weigh?
Hope to see some skull pics after it is cleaned!!!
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Nice shot placement as usual and .177 that will quiet many of the folks that say power is king accuracy and massive amounts of patience on the part of the hunter are also required as you just proved
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Great job Manny with .177 AG :D Congratulations on anther great hunt 8)
You really upped the ante on that pig, where do go from there maybe Crosman PRO Staff?
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Nice one Manny ;)
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Kinda like you just hit the off switch on that one. Nice Hunt.
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Great shot Manny.
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Nice shot Manny! Wow, pushing the limits of a .177 pellet, your awesome brother! Cool footage and pics, keep up the good work.
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Great hunt Manny and thanks for taking us along. I really enjoy seeing the environment too.
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Thanks Guys,
same as hog hunting with a break barrel I will not make a habit of this,....I've done the testing that told me about the capability
and I took them in the field to prove the the testing in real life situation.
Testing proved to translate just fine in the field, but again, this was, as well as the break barrel hunt, a one time off.
.......back to my Henry .357 mag :) :) :)
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Thanks Guys,
same as hog hunting with a break barrel I will not make a habit of this,....I've done the testing that told me about the capability
and I took them in the field to prove the the testing in real life situation.
Testing proved to translate just fine in the field, but again, this was, as well as the break barrel hunt, a one time off.
.......back to my Henry .357 mag :) :) :)
:o What no stick bow and home made arrows ??? ;)
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Yeah that too ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ....problem with that is that I have some pretty bad shoulder injuries from Surfing, makes shoot a bow not very comfortable :'( :'( :'(
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Hey Manny I know about those old shoulder injuries, my cure was to refilled my self bows down in weight and I mean down. 50 to 43. Killed a hog with 50 pounder and zwickey 2 blade pass through. Also changed my shooting style to a quicker snap shooting style.just as accurate at the real true bow hunting ranges of 15 to 20 yrds. I am not telling you anything you already know but my own experience of shooting sticks for about 55 years. How about that pumper hog😁😁😁😁😁. Wolfer
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Don,t know if all of you know about his stick bow hunting talents but he's the man. Wolfer
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Hey Manny I know about those old shoulder injuries, my cure was to refilled my self bows down in weight and I mean down. 50 to 43. Killed a hog with 50 pounder and zwickey 2 blade pass through. Also changed my shooting style to a quicker snap shooting style.just as accurate at the real true bow hunting ranges of 15 to 20 yrds. I am not telling you anything you already know but my own experience of shooting sticks for about 55 years. How about that pumper hog😁😁😁😁😁. Wolfer
you know what ? I've actually been checking out those pumpers lately, can get them pretty darn cheap on Amazon Prime,.....but I definitely think this is as low as I want to attempt shooting at a hog, done with the NP2 and now Disco, time now to start hunting again with a proper PCP :) ....new gun should be in in not too long.
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Good for you Manny. New guns are a exciting adventure. I like cleaning a barrel for the first time, tighting screws, fooling with different pellets,getting sight pictures right with drop and pitch in stock. Cool stuff like that, but still think a pumper hog would be big medicine for you. To bad we can,t take big game in CA. Wolfer
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I think a Pumper Hog would be stretching my luck :) :) :)
I'm excited about getting a new true hunter in, Expecting to put many miles on my boots :)
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OK, so yesterday I was in the area and went to see if I could find the skull, it was sooo muddy down there and I wasn't sure I was going to be able to find it, but luckily I did.
Didn't look much for the jaw part and I left without it, in the pictures I used a lower from an other skull I have.
The tiny hole from the 10.5gr Baracuda is well defined.
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF2212_zpsixnddfxl.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF2212_zpsixnddfxl.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF2213_zpsivfvry7a.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF2213_zpsivfvry7a.jpg.html)
(http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d124/NorthShoreLB/Harvests/DSCF2214_zpsmwadwngr.jpg) (http://s34.photobucket.com/user/NorthShoreLB/media/Harvests/DSCF2214_zpsmwadwngr.jpg.html)
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Great video!
How are you mounting your camcorder on your scope?
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Great video!
How are you mounting your camcorder on your scope?
Thanks,
I use the one that Bullfrog sells, they are intended to be used for the camera to record through the scope, but I flip it around and I have the camera above the scope
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any interest in the Airbow?
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-pioneer-airbow?m=3894 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-pioneer-airbow?m=3894)
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any interest in the Airbow?
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-pioneer-airbow?m=3894 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-pioneer-airbow?m=3894)
It was offered to me, and I did think about it for a little while.
I probably can still get Crosman to send me one for reviewing, but being an archer/bowhunter I'm conflicted on the product, it goes against all I believe in Archery.
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any interest in the Airbow?
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-pioneer-airbow?m=3894 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-pioneer-airbow?m=3894)
It was offered to me, and I did think about it for a little while.
I probably can still get Crosman to send me one for reviewing, but being an @=S+S%^$#/bowhunter I'm conflicted on the product, it goes against all I believe in Archery.
shoot flechettes?
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To shoot an arrow at that speed you are forced to use Broadheads that I don't believe into, also I see archery as a Silent endeavour
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Hard to explain our trad archery ideals. I just can,t buy off on a air bow gun. What would Fred and Howard say. Wolfer
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I understand. If you don't have respect for your game and hunting disciplines you're not a hunter, just a killer.
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good shooting, thanks for the video
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any interest in the Airbow?
https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-pioneer-airbow?m=3894 (https://www.pyramydair.com/product/benjamin-pioneer-airbow?m=3894)
It was offered to me, and I did think about it for a little while.
I probably can still get Crosman to send me one for reviewing, but being an @=S+S%^$#/bowhunter I'm conflicted on the product, it goes against all I believe in Archery.
LOL, didn't realise that the word A r c h e r would be banned :):) funny about those auto correct :)
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good shooting, thanks for the video
Thank you.
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Great video!
How are you mounting your camcorder on your scope?
Thanks,
I use the one that Bullfrog sells, they are intended to be used for the camera to record through the scope, but I flip it around and I have the camera above the scope
Got a link to that camera mount? I couldn't come up with anything with a Google search.
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I think the company is called Flodida outdoors but I'm not 100% sure,
you could PM Bullfrog and talk directly to him, that would be the best way.
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This the one?
http://shop.oldfloridaoutdoors.com/Scope-Camcorder-Mount-001.htm (http://shop.oldfloridaoutdoors.com/Scope-Camcorder-Mount-001.htm)
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That's the one ;D ;D ;D ;D
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This the one?
http://shop.oldfloridaoutdoors.com/Scope-Camcorder-Mount-001.htm (http://shop.oldfloridaoutdoors.com/Scope-Camcorder-Mount-001.htm)
That's my mount. I have been sold out for some time. I'm not sure whether I'm going to do another production run or not. PM me and I can possibly hook you up with an extra I have laying around.
Edited 10/2/16
I've done a new production run for my mounts and have some in stock. PM if interested.
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I think a Pumper Hog would be stretching my luck :) :) :)
I'm excited about getting a new true hunter in, Expecting to put many miles on my boots :)
It would be the triple crown of hog hunting.
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You just got to love the "dang" auto correct! I love it to death!
You just keep on breaking new ground with airguns.
Apparently 17 fpe is the new minimum for young pigs?
maybe, in the hands of an expert that can guage the limits of the rifle.
Thank you for everything that you do Manny. If not for this kind of evidence, we would probably still be restricted to rimfire for small game across the country!
Nice shot :)
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Nice shot Manny!
I have killed South Texas feral boars with Thermal Optics, I think this would be a cool hunt for sure!
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You just got to love the "dang" auto correct! I love it to death!
You just keep on breaking new ground with airguns.
Apparently 17 fpe is the new minimum for young pigs?
maybe, in the hands of an expert that can guage the limits of the rifle.
Thank you for everything that you do Manny. If not for this kind of evidence, we would probably still be restricted to rimfire for small game across the country!
Nice shot :)
No doubt!!!
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Thanks guys,
As for the thermal, yes sure would be a blast unfortunately can't hunt game after dark in Hawaii, and hogs are classified as game.
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Thanks guys,
As for the thermal, yes sure would be a blast unfortunately can't hunt game after dark in Hawaii, and hogs are classified as game.
;D That's refreshing... even hunter ed considers them invasive... one of the final acts of theirs that caused me to bid them aloha... :D
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This is just wrong! Shooting an animal of this size with this caliber and FPE is cruel, unethical and plain stupid. How can anyone condone and praise this? Go ahead and ban me from this forum. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.
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shibumei, the hog was a one shot kill. right into the brain pan, no more pain or suffering. it was flopping about due to the nervous system shutting down. Kinda like a chicken after you shoot it in the head. It was a single, well-placed shot that did not prolong suffering or need a follow up. I don't know how much more ethical it can get beyond that.
There's folks that take out raccoons that are roughly the same size, but I don't see anybody up in arms about it.
Been a long day? Stressed? Dunno if it's either one of them, but in my humble opinion it was a great shot that did not let the animal suffer.
How about a Snickers bar, my friend? ;)
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This is just wrong! Shooting an animal of this size with this caliber and FPE is cruel, unethical and plain stupid. How can anyone condone and praise this? Go ahead and ban me from this forum. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.
My man I assure you the animal was dead , it was a ethical shot or Manny wouldn't have took it, over the years we have seen many fall to him. I do suggest that if the hunting gate offends you please don't come in here. David
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This was done by a skilled marksman and hunter " do not try this at home" unless you have those credentials ;)
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This is just wrong! Shooting an animal of this size with this caliber and FPE is cruel, unethical and plain stupid. How can anyone condone and praise this? Go ahead and ban me from this forum. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.
I had a good laugh at this.
Firstly, Manny did his homework long before doing this. This wasn't some random attempt, research was done, and it was found that it could be done.
Some people just don't get that the word "ethical" is extremely subjective when it comes to hunting.
Is a .177 caliber to the brain that results in immediate expiration with a few involuntary muscle spasms less ethical than a broad head through the chest that allows the animal to run away in fear and pain for several yards and collapse and die in a minute or two? Or using a .50 cal and taking a poor shot?
I do practically all my hunting with .177 air guns, from small game such as iguanas, to large game such as capybara, peccary and caimans, been doing it for decades. If you think I'm unethical I'm sorry, but that your problem.
The truth of ethical hunting is that when we do what we do, regardless of the means of the kill, the result should be that the animal meets its end with as little stress and pain, as well as it should expire as quickly as possible. Only if one is knowingly taking shots with an extremely high chance of failure to achieve these objectives, then that is what quantifies as unethical, nothing else.
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Cruel, unethical and stupid....OK ;D ;D
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Cruel, unethical and stupid....OK ;D ;D
Manny you spend way too many hours studying the terrain and your prey to be anything but ethical. Not sure the poster has seen pictures of your forest cleaned skulls that you have posted along with the thorough descriptions you have posted. That along with your honest evaluation of what is a good shot and what power the rifle you shoot delivers on target. After 5+ years of watching your hunting videos and you passing on a shot that many would have taken because it was not the perfect shot. Then a few minutes later taking a shot that gets the job done. 8) 8)
Now when you are cruising the local tourist hot spots I'm sure your shots have a different criteria ;) ;D ;D
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Amazing how some folks in this day and age still cling to the old disproven thoughts as gospel.
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shibumei, the hog was a one shot kill. right into the brain pan, no more pain or suffering. it was flopping about due to the nervous system shutting down. Kinda like a chicken after you shoot it in the head. It was a single, well-placed shot that did not prolong suffering or need a follow up. I don't know how much more ethical it can get beyond that.
There's folks that take out raccoons that are roughly the same size, but I don't see anybody up in arms about it.
Been a long day? Stressed? Dunno if it's either one of them, but in my humble opinion it was a great shot that did not let the animal suffer.
How about a Snickers bar, my friend? ;)
Would you feel the same if it was a single well placed shot with a Daisy 25 to a eagle? That makes about as much sense! I knew I would receive such responses. It has nothing to do with stress or long days or needing a Snickers. It has everything to do with childish stunts and ethical sportsmanship. But if no one gets it, I guess I am the odd man out. And as someone posted in this thread, "I don't belong here".
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shibumei, the hog was a one shot kill. right into the brain pan, no more pain or suffering. it was flopping about due to the nervous system shutting down. Kinda like a chicken after you shoot it in the head. It was a single, well-placed shot that did not prolong suffering or need a follow up. I don't know how much more ethical it can get beyond that.
There's folks that take out raccoons that are roughly the same size, but I don't see anybody up in arms about it.
Been a long day? Stressed? Dunno if it's either one of them, but in my humble opinion it was a great shot that did not let the animal suffer.
How about a Snickers bar, my friend? ;)
Would you feel the same if it was a single well placed shot with a Daisy 25 to a eagle? That makes about as much sense! I knew I would receive such responses. It has nothing to do with stress or long days or needing a Snickers. It has everything to do with childish stunts and ethical sportsmanship. But if no one gets it,
Huuh ? ??? ???
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Will tell you the last time sir stay out of the hunting gate, if it offends you their is a lot more to this forum than this gate. Stay out period, or better yet read mannys post for the last 10 years and perhaps you will understand. David
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shibumi, the hog was a one shot kill. right into the brain pan, no more pain or suffering. it was flopping about due to the nervous system shutting down. Kinda like a chicken after you shoot it in the head. It was a single, well-placed shot that did not prolong suffering or need a follow up. I don't know how much more ethical it can get beyond that.
There's folks that take out raccoons that are roughly the same size, but I don't see anybody up in arms about it.
Been a long day? Stressed? Dunno if it's either one of them, but in my humble opinion it was a great shot that did not let the animal suffer.
How about a Snickers bar, my friend? ;)
Would you feel the same if it was a single well placed shot with a Daisy 25 to a eagle? That makes about as much sense! I knew I would receive such responses. It has nothing to do with stress or long days or needing a Snickers. It has everything to do with childish stunts and ethical sportsmanship. But if no one gets it,
Huuh ? ??? ???
??? ??? shibumi Perhaps the issue here is your not understanding that there is a major difference between shooting a protected species and pest elimination. Furthermore Manny and others here on the forum that hunt pests donate the meat to the property owners or put that food on their own table. I will refrain from further comments after this post.
Please read and follow the forum rules that you agreed to and going forward please follow those rules
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shibumei, the hog was a one shot kill. right into the brain pan, no more pain or suffering. it was flopping about due to the nervous system shutting down. Kinda like a chicken after you shoot it in the head. It was a single, well-placed shot that did not prolong suffering or need a follow up. I don't know how much more ethical it can get beyond that.
There's folks that take out raccoons that are roughly the same size, but I don't see anybody up in arms about it.
Been a long day? Stressed? Dunno if it's either one of them, but in my humble opinion it was a great shot that did not let the animal suffer.
How about a Snickers bar, my friend? ;)
Would you feel the same if it was a single well placed shot with a Daisy 25 to a eagle? That makes about as much sense! I knew I would receive such responses. It has nothing to do with stress or long days or needing a Snickers. It has everything to do with childish stunts and ethical sportsmanship. But if no one gets it, I guess I am the odd man out. And as someone posted in this thread, "I don't belong here".
I didn't know what a Daisy 25 was, so I looked it up. 350 FPS with BBs, and BBs being in the 5.4gr range (and that's the heavier side), comes out to about 1.47FPE. So no, I wouldn't recommend that scenario; but it is that really a fair comparison? The Disco was shooting at 17FPE and the shot was taken within 20 yards; optimal range, if I may add my proverbial 2 cents. The Daisy putting out 1.47 FPE would not be suited to much more than small lizards and bugs; perhaps a tiny mouse at close (within 20 yards) range.
The snickers comment was not meant to stir ire or instigate; it was a simple attempt at soothing over things, but it appears you feel quite strongly about this, so I will refrain from humor.
A .177 putting out 17FPE is a very capable gun; the biggest benefit being the small diameter and speed of the .177 pellet. It has a smaller surface area, so even though the energy is lower, it still retains respectable penetration. The BB in your comparison is not nearly as powered up, so it would not be an effective round to take out an eagle.
I'm sure you know all of this already, though.
As for the childish stunts or ethical sportsmanship, I doubt that it has anything to do with that. Manny doesn't need me to defend him, but from what I've seen and read on his gate, he is quite the shot and he can do it on a consistent basis. The animal doesn't squirm around or try and get up to run away. Heck, there isn't even a squeal when he hits them; they drop right there and give up the ghost. Sometimes they'll flail for a little, but I'm pretty sure that's all just the nervous system slowly shutting down.
In keeping with that, would a 28FPE break barrel being used on a chicken be a better comparison? Surely a chicken that maybe weighs about 3 pounds would acceptable game for a .22 rifle, yes? If you answered yes, then I also pose the million dollar question:
How accurate are you?
I received a request to help a friend eliminate wild chickens from his plot of land. They were eating peppers early, putting holes in the papaya and scratching up new sprouts. He said I could keep all the chickens I shot and use them as food. Sounded like a great deal to me. I lined up a shot on a rooster and pulled the trigger. The shot went low and ended up hitting him in the leg, breaking his thigh bone. He ran/hopped off and I loaded up another shot and let it roll again. This one hit him in the back and he went down, but he didn't die; he just kinda flapped his wings and tried to get away. By this point I was so regretful and disappointed that I went up to him and promptly broke his neck.
So what is the reason for all that info? To illustrate that even if your rifle has more than enough energy to put down your quarry, if you can't produce the accuracy, you're better off not taking the shot. That, in my humble opinion is the worst transgression you can commit. Needless suffering due to your own shortcomings is not a nice pill to swallow and it's also one of the things that I'm toughest on myself with.
Since then, my Magnum has sat, unused. Going on about 2 months now. I have the piston seal that I will get around to replacing, but until then, she sits. She still has the energy, but due to questionable accuracy, I have elected to let her stay in the box until I get her properly sorted.
The quarry in question suffered no such ignominy. It was lights out as soon as the pellet dealt a fatal blow to the brain.
One shot, one kill. No squeals, no suffering. Like I stated earlier, I don't know how much more ethical you can get. Then again, different people, different opinions. You are free to have yours, my friend.
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I remember when you did this. As I sit here, February 16, 2020, things have changed a lot.
I’m not gonna get into everything except the abilities of the .177 when used as an Archer would hunt. A heavy .177 has enough penetration for that which a 28ftlb soft 18.13 may not. I’ve seen the 18.13’s ride a Groundhog skull under the skin at 32 yards. Angles mean a lot with air gun pellets and slugs. We’ve all heard of handgun rounds being deflected by a windshield so take it with a grain of salt.
Manny knows what can & can’t be done. This wasn’t an advertisement for all to go out & try. If you don’t like it stay out of Manny’s Corner. He hunts. I plink & shoot long range groups. I’d Varmint hunt if I had time.
My State only allowed Varmints & Small Game when air was legalized. Most guys want big, heavy hitters.
I’m after a .177 or .22 that does it all, within reason. And a perfectly placed shot from either is in fact a peaceful end. I’ve seen animals not even know they’re hit. Just lay down to sleep and die. Literally turn 2-3 times bedding grass down, and go to sleep. No pain or kicking. A heart shot and blood pressure drop induces tiredness and sleep/death. Simple.
What I am going to point out is most airgun shooters still can’t shoot much bigger than a .177 within their property.
I myself live where one can legally shoot anything as long as a berm is used. I have up to 600 yards or more when crops are down. I’ve never shot any airgun past 450 yards. .22 RBT Griffin 28-32 grain slugs get out there quite easily. 200-300 yards is a better testing distance though, as I consider anything over 12’ a lot of drop. 12’ is, a lot; but very doable for plinking & fun. You’ll learn wind. I’ll tell you that much.
Most of my shooting is still .177 springers though I have a good 3.5cfm compressor and many PCP’s
I need to trade some JSB 8.44’s for some 16.20’s. If the newest heavyweights, or ANY brand of .177 slug shoot as well as the JSB 13.43’s & 10.5’s, whoa Nelly, will we have a game changer. I have the Elite as low as I can go with this spring. A finely turned 12 L&G 17” LW that sends 10.5’s & 13.43’s through 2 tin cans at 30 yards. Straight through them, one evaporated milk can inside a Progresso soup can. 4 sides like nothing AND continued on to be stopped by a 4’x4’ SS sheet.
I can only imagine what a .177 slug from a 23.75” barrel could do.
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When people want to argue the facts like this my question is :
Would a 800 FPE .50 cal have given a different result ?
If yes, how ?
Would have been better ?
How much better ?
.......I would like to hear the answers to those questions :) :) :)
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When people want to argue the facts like this my question is :
Would a 800 FPE .50 cal have given a different result ?
If yes, how ?
Would have been better ?
How much better ?
.......I would like to hear the answers to those questions :) :) :)
First, I'd like them to define "better"
Whether dead from a 15 grain .177 or 400 grain .50 cal, both shots going straight to the fusebox, at the same 20 yard range, dead is dead, & one caliber ain't likely to make the animal more deader than the other.
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The main difference would be the size of the entry wound. Beyond that as others have said dead is dead
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When I read this thread I can't help but think of big game hunters at the dawn of the nitro powder era, discussing which is more effective, a 4 bore or a 6.5 mm. Same principles, different scale. I agree with Manny and Karamojo Bell. Of course I'm not a good enough shot to hunt hogs with a .177 air rifle. I'll stick to the thutty thutty fer hawgs. ;D
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I believe this was valuable. Dig it. Nice work Manny.
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In reality a poorly placed/rushed shot is unethical. A poorly placed 50 cal shot could find the animal running away with three legs, or grazed to die much later. No shot is certain, living targets move, get spooked etc.
If you hunt or shoot animals with something you know lacks the power of necessary penetration to hit vitals or extend the distance of any given air gun/firearm past it's effective range, that is unethical.
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In reality a poorly placed/rushed shot is unethical. A poorly placed 50 cal shot could find the animal running away with three legs, or grazed to die much later. No shot is certain, living targets move, get spooked etc.
If you hunt or shoot animals with something you know lacks the power of necessary penetration to hit vitals or extend the distance of any given air gun/firearm past it's effective range, that is unethical.
True, but here's the rub
Both those things fall squarely on the individual hunters shoulder to know what they're doing and what they're doing it with and the limitations of both themselves and their equipment.
What one might think isn't enough gun to get it done, another experienced person will know how to use what he's got so that it's sufficient.
All boils down to the brain controlling the trigger finger.
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In reality a poorly placed/rushed shot is unethical. A poorly placed 50 cal shot could find the animal running away with three legs, or grazed to die much later. No shot is certain, living targets move, get spooked etc.
If you hunt or shoot animals with something you know lacks the power of necessary penetration to hit vitals or extend the distance of any given air gun/firearm past it's effective range, that is unethical.
True, but here's the rub
Both those things fall squarely on the individual hunters shoulder to know what they're doing and what they're doing it with and the limitations of both themselves and their equipment.
What one might think isn't enough gun to get it done, another experienced person will know how to use what he's got so that it's sufficient.
All boils down to the brain controlling the trigger finger.
I think we're in agreement.
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This is just wrong! Shooting an animal of this size with this caliber and FPE is cruel, unethical and plain stupid. How can anyone condone and praise this? Go ahead and ban me from this forum. What is right is right and what is wrong is wrong.
I have a feeling you have not seen many hog hunting videos....watch a few more on YouTube. You couldn't have dispatched that hog any faster even if you used a 50 BMG. That was about as quick and painless as it gets...they usually kick and struggle much more even when shot with much more powerful weapons.
Of all the hunting videos on YouTube, this one is probably the least deserving of criticism for being cruel.
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He gone! Good job Manny.
Hogs are the cruel ones. They don't kill fawns that fast and even horses that way. I saw a guy the other day say he had the misfortune of seeing a group of hogs that got mad at a horse foraging too close to them and they disemboweled it which was not a slow death for the horse as they continued their attack until it finally died. I feel zero compassion for them after spending what would likely amount to a year of my life fixing my yard after they have torn it up where the yard is not the same now. Hogs get what they have coming be it via pit bulls chewing off their ears while holding them in place for hunters to be able to approach and knife them to death while they squeal or via quick death with guns. I don't tell them to go to the light. I tell them go to the pit. To hades with em.
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Well Gil, I'm no psychic, but I sense you have some animosity towards the members of the Wild Shovel Nose Clan lol
But all kidding around aside.
Whatever one's reason for terminating the life of any living being, be it hosp, rat, song dog or hog, always strive to do it the right way. As quickly and as painlessly as you possibly can. IMHO, that's the only honorable way to do it, to maintain one's own dignity and integrity as well as to retain the respect of the hunting community.
No animal should be made to have to suffer before it expires, no matter how big of a pest it might have been before it met its end at our hands.
Now, one's reason for killing is one's own, and we each have to be able to live with ourselves after the act. I've never wished an animal to damnation, but I don't judge the people that do. I did my part, wherever it's metaphysical existence ends up other than the dinner plate or the compost pile or as food for something else isn't my problem or concern.
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great shot Manny.
it's always cool to see what can be done by someone with the knowledge and skills with these weapons. like many who follow your hunts, i wouldn't attempt such a hunt but I completely support you doing so. i can't understand when someone pops in with that stuff about it being anything but ethical. they just don't understand how long you've been at this and the amount of work you put in.
thank you for posting these videos. i really think it's fascinating to see what these PCPs are capable of, even if it's not something I would attempt.
kgb
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Thank you Keith, and everybody else for the kind words.
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No shot is certain, living targets move, get spooked etc.
This is a fact, this passed deer season, I shot a small buck at 42 yards, the shot was a perfect behind the shoulder shot. Just as a clicked the safety off and squeezed the trigger, he stepped forward and I hit further back than I wanted. I still got lungs, but just clipped one and a solid hit on the other. I was thankful to find him piled up 40 yards away. But it shows that even a perfect shot can change quickly.
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No shot is certain, living targets move, get spooked etc.
This is a fact, this passed deer season, I shot a small buck at 42 yards, the shot was a perfect behind the shoulder shot. Just as a clicked the safety off and squeezed the trigger, he stepped forward and I hit further back than I wanted. I still got lungs, but just clipped one and a solid hit on the other. I was thankful to find him piled up 40 yards away. But it shows that even a perfect shot can change quickly.
Although the statement may be very true as an experienced hunter myself when the shot is taken with great patience and not rushed the chance of wounding vs a clean DRT is minimized. Not rushing the shot and knowing all of the factors involved is the difference between making the shot and not.
I do not take a shot unless I am sure of success that includes good clear sight picture then take the gun off of safe . Once I am sure that the safety click has not spooked the game I will take my shot.
I was hunting wild pigs many years ago and as I took the shot the pig heard something that caused it to turn . My shot was not a clean miss and I ended up tracking a wounded pig for 1/2 hr before I had an opportunity to finish what I had started. When I finally was able to examine the boar it had a ~6" cut wound on the right shoulder. Although I'm certain that based on healed scars he had been hurt worse by other males when fighting for the privilege of propagating the species.
Even the perfect shot can go wrong which is why having a rifle that is capable of quick followup shot is not a bad thing.
Bottom line is don't judge others based on your own level of skill
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No shot is certain, living targets move, get spooked etc.
This is a fact, this passed deer season, I shot a small buck at 42 yards, the shot was a perfect behind the shoulder shot. Just as a clicked the safety off and squeezed the trigger, he stepped forward and I hit further back than I wanted. I still got lungs, but just clipped one and a solid hit on the other. I was thankful to find him piled up 40 yards away. But it shows that even a perfect shot can change quickly.
Although the statement may be very true as an experienced hunter myself when the shot is taken with great patience and not rushed the chance of wounding vs a clean DRT is minimized. Not rushing the shot and knowing all of the factors involved is the difference between making the shot and not.
I do not take a shot unless I am sure of success that includes good clear sight picture then take the gun off of safe . Once I am sure that the safety click has not spooked the game I will take my shot.
I was hunting wild pigs many years ago and as I took the shot the pig heard something that caused it to turn . My shot was not a clean miss and I ended up tracking a wounded pig for 1/2 hr before I had an opportunity to finish what I had started. When I finally was able to examine the boar it had a ~6" cut wound on the right shoulder. Although I'm certain that based on healed scars he had been hurt worse by other males when fighting for the privilege of propagating the species.
Even the perfect shot can go wrong which is why having a rifle that is capable of quick followup shot is not a bad thing.
Bottom line is don't judge others based on your own level of skill
My case with my deer was somewhat like yours with the pig. It was a 42 yard shot and I know I can make that shot easily, he took a step as I pulled the trigger. Like you, I never rush my shots, especially on the deer in question as he was a buck the land owner wanted removed because of what looked like bad genetics (his antlers didn't grown right). As I squeezed the trigger, he moved. I hit enough lung for him to pile up within 40 yards, but I definitely would have preferred that he drop right there. I am still unsure of what caused him to move like he did, maybe I moved and made just enough noise without realizing it?
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I would not lament a shot that hit both lungs. You still got a piece of both lungs even with the step. Sounds to me like you know what you're doing and picked a good shot, with good results even when he took a step. Nice work on that.