I find the 50 tougher to cock than the 97 tbh... The beauty of the 97k is the compact size which results to a good balance for this heavy beast. Perfect benchrest airgun from that perspective.
Quote from: airgunbuff on May 07, 2021, 12:17:54 PMQuote from: Bayman on May 07, 2021, 01:18:52 AMQuote from: Leo 2018 on May 07, 2021, 01:01:34 AMI can't answer your question yet but i have bought a hw 97k .22 cal which i haven't had out yet (wife hasn't been informed yet) 5 months old here. I just bought a hw80 lrh .177 that will be here in a week. I also have to hide it for awhile. I have pcp, pumper, springers old and new. Soon they will work their way into public so damm i hope they are worth it.They're both good guns. The 97 should shoot very nicely in 22. The 80 is a big gun and is a little better suited for bigger calibers like 20 and 22. You should really enjoy the overall quality and accuracy. Better start working out though because they are both very heavy guns with fairly stiff cocking.Good luck and enjoy.Wow Ron I am so confused you have stated that the HW95 does not have enough power for you in 22 but that 22 should be fine in 97 !! pretty much same powerplant except one is a barrel cocker and the other an underlever....Man drink some more coffee or eat another dounut !! Not ragging on ya bro Buttttt you know cone on man....kindlyronWow! Do you exist just to break my b@lls? Yes for my purposes 22 wouldn't be my preference for 95 (or a 97). My feelings are still the same. Yes the 97 and 95 make basically the same power BUT the guns don't generally serve the same purposes. The 97 is a very heavy gun that's usually used as a bench gun to shoot targets at fixed known distances. Trajectory isn't much of an issue here. You just dial in the scope for that distance and you're done. The 97 in 22 will have a nicer shot cycle than 177 and should be a very enjoyable gun to shoot. Hence my congratulatory compliment. My 97 is in 177 and have no regrets but that doesn't mean I can't be happy for the guy getting one in 22. When the 95 is used in the same manner as the 97, 22 is absolutely fine by me. For the way I use the Hw95 and for my average abilities, 22 is not my preference. Here me LOUD AND FRIGGIN CLEAR what I normally say is."For me (or IMO) the Hw95 is marginally powerful enough for 22. This is because it's often used as a field gun for live targets at different distances. The 22 requires alot more holdover calculations so IMO the 177 caliber and 20 caliber are better choices. IMO the 22 is a heavy pellet that needs to be driven by a magnum powered rifle like an R1 to be flat enough for people of my average skill level to use for hunting. People like you, Mark and Si Pittway might be able to shoot toothpicks at various unknown ranges with a 10fpe 22 caliber mortar. The rest of us mear mortals are better served in the field with flatter shooting guns. Listen my opinions are those of my own that have been formed by actual experience. I'm not a parrot, keyboard commando or a legend in my own mind. I'm a regular working guy that's very good with mechanical things, average at shooting, shoots very often and hunts occasionally. I try only to share my opinions within the context to the situation and can always explain my reasoning. I'm also humble enough to accept when I'm wrong and man enough to apologize for the times that I am.Have a nice day Ron
Quote from: Bayman on May 07, 2021, 01:18:52 AMQuote from: Leo 2018 on May 07, 2021, 01:01:34 AMI can't answer your question yet but i have bought a hw 97k .22 cal which i haven't had out yet (wife hasn't been informed yet) 5 months old here. I just bought a hw80 lrh .177 that will be here in a week. I also have to hide it for awhile. I have pcp, pumper, springers old and new. Soon they will work their way into public so damm i hope they are worth it.They're both good guns. The 97 should shoot very nicely in 22. The 80 is a big gun and is a little better suited for bigger calibers like 20 and 22. You should really enjoy the overall quality and accuracy. Better start working out though because they are both very heavy guns with fairly stiff cocking.Good luck and enjoy.Wow Ron I am so confused you have stated that the HW95 does not have enough power for you in 22 but that 22 should be fine in 97 !! pretty much same powerplant except one is a barrel cocker and the other an underlever....Man drink some more coffee or eat another dounut !! Not ragging on ya bro Buttttt you know cone on man....kindlyron
Quote from: Leo 2018 on May 07, 2021, 01:01:34 AMI can't answer your question yet but i have bought a hw 97k .22 cal which i haven't had out yet (wife hasn't been informed yet) 5 months old here. I just bought a hw80 lrh .177 that will be here in a week. I also have to hide it for awhile. I have pcp, pumper, springers old and new. Soon they will work their way into public so damm i hope they are worth it.They're both good guns. The 97 should shoot very nicely in 22. The 80 is a big gun and is a little better suited for bigger calibers like 20 and 22. You should really enjoy the overall quality and accuracy. Better start working out though because they are both very heavy guns with fairly stiff cocking.Good luck and enjoy.
I can't answer your question yet but i have bought a hw 97k .22 cal which i haven't had out yet (wife hasn't been informed yet) 5 months old here. I just bought a hw80 lrh .177 that will be here in a week. I also have to hide it for awhile. I have pcp, pumper, springers old and new. Soon they will work their way into public so damm i hope they are worth it.
Quote from: Bayman on May 07, 2021, 03:19:04 PMQuote from: airgunbuff on May 07, 2021, 12:17:54 PMQuote from: Bayman on May 07, 2021, 01:18:52 AMQuote from: Leo 2018 on May 07, 2021, 01:01:34 AMI can't answer your question yet but i have bought a hw 97k .22 cal which i haven't had out yet (wife hasn't been informed yet) 5 months old here. I just bought a hw80 lrh .177 that will be here in a week. I also have to hide it for awhile. I have pcp, pumper, springers old and new. Soon they will work their way into public so damm i hope they are worth it.They're both good guns. The 97 should shoot very nicely in 22. The 80 is a big gun and is a little better suited for bigger calibers like 20 and 22. You should really enjoy the overall quality and accuracy. Better start working out though because they are both very heavy guns with fairly stiff cocking.Good luck and enjoy.Wow Ron I am so confused you have stated that the HW95 does not have enough power for you in 22 but that 22 should be fine in 97 !! pretty much same powerplant except one is a barrel cocker and the other an underlever....Man drink some more coffee or eat another dounut !! Not ragging on ya bro Buttttt you know cone on man....kindlyronWow! Do you exist just to break my b@lls? Yes for my purposes 22 wouldn't be my preference for 95 (or a 97). My feelings are still the same. Yes the 97 and 95 make basically the same power BUT the guns don't generally serve the same purposes. The 97 is a very heavy gun that's usually used as a bench gun to shoot targets at fixed known distances. Trajectory isn't much of an issue here. You just dial in the scope for that distance and you're done. The 97 in 22 will have a nicer shot cycle than 177 and should be a very enjoyable gun to shoot. Hence my congratulatory compliment. My 97 is in 177 and have no regrets but that doesn't mean I can't be happy for the guy getting one in 22. When the 95 is used in the same manner as the 97, 22 is absolutely fine by me. For the way I use the Hw95 and for my average abilities, 22 is not my preference. Here me LOUD AND FRIGGIN CLEAR what I normally say is."For me (or IMO) the Hw95 is marginally powerful enough for 22. This is because it's often used as a field gun for live targets at different distances. The 22 requires alot more holdover calculations so IMO the 177 caliber and 20 caliber are better choices. IMO the 22 is a heavy pellet that needs to be driven by a magnum powered rifle like an R1 to be flat enough for people of my average skill level to use for hunting. People like you, Mark and Si Pittway might be able to shoot toothpicks at various unknown ranges with a 10fpe 22 caliber mortar. The rest of us mear mortals are better served in the field with flatter shooting guns. Listen my opinions are those of my own that have been formed by actual experience. I'm not a parrot, keyboard commando or a legend in my own mind. I'm a regular working guy that's very good with mechanical things, average at shooting, shoots very often and hunts occasionally. I try only to share my opinions within the context to the situation and can always explain my reasoning. I'm also humble enough to accept when I'm wrong and man enough to apologize for the times that I am.Have a nice day RonNot busting anyones balls Ron. I could make a smart ^&* comment here but I will refain. No need to get the britches in a wad. I too have life long experiances with air arms and powder burners. So in short as much as you may try you are not an airgun god and neither am I. Neither of us are experts on HWs. That said I would wager that I do have more experience than you with HWs and shooting. That sounds condescending I know.. but is not meant to. I just speak plainly and directly. Please do not take what I convery as a personal slight.I see that happen quite a bit around here. EGO EGO EGO Its ok to be human. I would bet a CASE OF QUALITY BEER that if you and I ever sat down and slung some lead and drank a few we would get along just fine.I have been airgunning a long time and I have seen way too much. But it's all good. I don't want to be a Mod here or admin... just a plain spoken member who is free to pass on info and interact as do you. You act like I disrespected you on some level, perhaps that is just your personality. I don't want to steal your thunder or anything.Your status here is safe.. its all good.Be well my friend and if I may say so you have a nice looking girl there and seem to have a good life.. Heck any man who has a girl who likes too shoot is one blessed man !!If I have offended you in any way I am sorry. That said I am direct and that is just how I am and if wrong I will say so.kindlyron
I have this scope on my 95 and so far it has proved to be excellent after about 2K/3K shots.https://us.hawkeoptics.com/airmax-30-sf-compact-4-16x44-amx-ir.htmlI used the Hawke tactical 2 piece 30 mm medium ring mounts and they have been great.
Thanks for the insight. That's towards everyone. In all reality, these are more toys than tools, but they do come in handy from time to time (people generally don't want me pesting with centerfire's ). Partially the push for the 97 is to compare to my detuned 460. If I like it a lot (which I'm sure I will) I can put my 460 back to full power and have my choice for.177 underlevers, high power and really high power (like my 14.5 fpe and 20.5 fpe D350's in .177), and they (HW97's) rate really high on reviews. As another question, a whole new can of worms... Optics and mount??? Does the HW97 need a drooper mount and how bad are they on scopes? As on another thread, my 460 just had it's way with a (cheap) scope. I was thinking a FFP EGR with about 4-16x magnification, but don't need that fancy. It would be nice though.
97K next on my list.
Quote from: DoggMann on May 08, 2021, 09:29:25 AM97K next on my list.That is the way I am leaning too. But then that could change today at the fun shoot in Mconnel. I see you are non N IL, are you planning to attend? I also would love to try a HW80/R1 in 22. No need for one now, but I may try another escape attempt from this stupid state.
I think the R1/HW80 in .22cal or .20cal is about as good as it get gets for this power plant, I ordered a new 310mm threaded barrel from Chambers not long ago, it still has arrived yet! but its in .22cal, I plan to change this barrel out on 1 of my .20cal R1's that I have, I don't need 2 of them in .20cal! and miss not having a R1 in .22cal, that's what I think about these rifles in this caliber!
Again, thanks for the information. I will check out that Hawke air max. I have looked at those scopes, and many others. Usually I run a Pinty 4-16X40AO (UTG true Hunter "copy"). They are decent for sub $100 (around $50-60 on amazon) but the turrets don't track the best (and had 1 of 6 fail, so far). Looking to take a step up for airgun optics. Triggerfest, I wasn't going to ask about pellets, haha. Usually the guns tell me, but thank you for giving a starting point. I've been into airguns for the last decade or so, but just getting into higher end the last few years. Still not the best shot generally, but good enough when it counts. I know I'm asking many amateur questions, just trying to get the most for the money. And when my time comes to pass, I want to leave something nice for the kids. Hopefully not anytime soon.