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Title: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on January 30, 2012, 01:58:58 PM
I am running this poll for me as well as others to decide and have greater first time success in ordering the most accurate pellet for there guns from others who have the same gun and have found there most accurate pellet. I would like other people to post polls and vote on there best pellet for there own specific gun . I think if enough of us post polls on our individual guns we can get a good statistic for everyone on this site to utilize. And save money on ordering pellets with a better chance to get good pellets the first time. I encourage everyone to post a poll or vote on a poll already made for there guns. Mabye if we get enough polls going we can make a individual topic in the site for pellet to gun polls! ;D
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: alkiax on January 30, 2012, 08:15:13 PM
Great idea!
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Magman116 on January 30, 2012, 08:40:34 PM
Good idea.  I know I have been through so many brands and types of pellets to find what works best in my Trail NP .22.  The H&N FTT 5.53's were by far the most consistent and accurate of any of them.  The Crosman Premier Hollow Points would be almost as good, but they are not consistent in size.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: justindfish on January 30, 2012, 10:21:09 PM
I have got the exact same results.  The FTT work very well in the 5.53 and the crosmans that fit snug fit good also but they are very inconsistent.  Makes me feel good that someone got the exact same results as me.  Oh and the H&N Barracudas with a 5.53 head will also shoot just as well if you are wanting a heavier pellet.


Good idea.  I know I have been through so many brands and types of pellets to find what works best in my Trail NP .22.  The H&N FTT 5.53's were by far the most consistent and accurate of any of them.  The Crosman Premier Hollow Points would be almost as good, but they are not consistent in size.


Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: cheerIO on January 31, 2012, 06:28:46 AM
I voted for and use the H&N FTT's but,

Beeman FTS's give the tightest groups in my gun. They are supposed to be the same pellet with the FTS's being copper coated. I thought that this would make them tighter in the bore though they actually seem looser than the FTT's. But I stack them at 15yards.

I don't use them though because the FTT's and PolyMags group the same in my gun and sight the same in my scope. I practice with the FTT's and shoot pest's with the PolyMags. The FTS's give a very slightly better group, but for some reason the group is low left of my crosshairs.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: justindfish on January 31, 2012, 08:18:58 AM
That shows how each gun is different because the polymags do not have the same POI as the FTT's do in my gun.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: microsalmo on January 31, 2012, 03:07:26 PM
Does this help?  I just did some pellet testing on my Trail NP All Weather.  These are all 5 shot groups at 21' off a rest - it's clear what the guns preferences are. :P

Row 1, 2, 3, left to right.....

Crosman Premier Hollow Points, Crosman Premier Hunting, Crosman Premier Lights, H&N Baracuda Match, Beeman Crow Magnum

RWS Supuedome, RWS Supermag, Beeman Field Target Special, Beeman Kodiac Hollow Point, Predator Polymag

JSB Exact Express, JSB Exact, JSB Exact Heavy, Crosman Premier Destroyer EX, Crosman Premier Wadcutter


(http://i43.tinypic.com/w6sjlf.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/da1dk.jpg)

Best pellets are the RWS Superdome, Beeman Field Target Special, JSB Express, Exact, and Jumbo, and the Beeman Crow Magnum.  Crosman Premier Hunting were good too (4/5 in same hole) but their inconsistency might make them an iffy choice - they always seem to have 1-2 fliers in every 5 shots.


Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on January 31, 2012, 03:51:49 PM
Does this help?  I just did some pellet testing on my Trail NP All Weather.  These are all 5 shot groups - it's clear what the guns preferences are.  If you need help with my abbreviations, let me know  :P

WOW that helps a lot thank! but for the sake of the info if you could give a write out of the abbreviations and at what distance you were shooting that would be great! i want this thread to be a go to for questions regarding pellets choice with this gun so everyone can benefit so the more info the merrier. THATS GREAT WORK!
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on January 31, 2012, 03:55:11 PM
BY the way if anyone needs me to add a poll choice for a pellet thats not up there just let me know and ill add it so you can put your vote in
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on January 31, 2012, 03:56:55 PM
I voted for and use the H&N FTT's but,

Beeman FTS's give the tightest groups in my gun. They are supposed to be the same pellet with the FTS's being copper coated. I thought that this would make them tighter in the bore though they actually seem looser than the FTT's. But I stack them at 15yards.

I don't use them though because the FTT's and PolyMags group the same in my gun and sight the same in my scope. I practice with the FTT's and shoot pest's with the PolyMags. The FTS's give a very slightly better group, but for some reason the group is low left of my crosshairs.

ADDED the beeman FTS's as a choice
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: microsalmo on January 31, 2012, 04:06:06 PM
done  :P
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on January 31, 2012, 05:06:55 PM
Nice keep the votes going for those who havent voted the more data the better guys
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: microsalmo on January 31, 2012, 05:45:32 PM
That's a surprise about the CPHP's in the survey.  Don't get me wrong, I have seen them shoot good groups at distance, but never the best groups.   :-\
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Magman116 on January 31, 2012, 06:40:44 PM
Here is a target I did with my Trail NP .22 using H&N FTT 5.53 pellets.  I shot 5 pellets at each target.  I was shooting off the bench with a bag rest at 20yrds.

one photo is of the 5 pellets I removed from the duct seal on the lower right target.

The worst grouping was .395" CTC and the best was .200" CTC.  I did have one flyer on the lower left target, probably my fault.

-Chris
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: mcc1961 on January 31, 2012, 07:27:53 PM
My trail shoots the Cphp pellets all over the place, but the RWS superdomes are the best shooting ones i have found so far.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on January 31, 2012, 07:39:44 PM
I wonder if its from lack of comparison against other pellets because the premiers are cheap and most available
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: microsalmo on January 31, 2012, 07:55:39 PM
I wonder if its from lack of comparison against other pellets because the premiers are cheap and most available

Exactly!!  I don't think people have the same definition of accurate. For example, the cphp always shoots .50-1" groups out of my guns at 25 yards, with frequent fliers.  That in itself is good enough to head shot a nutter, and by itself -good. 

...But get the right pellet in there, and you will see .30" groups at 25 yards - with hardly a flier.  That's good enough for eye shots, lol.

Your Trail NP is capable of .25" groups of 5 at 20 yards with the magic pellet!!! Believe it!
.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on February 01, 2012, 12:06:40 AM
yes i have cphp's and FTT's and just the fitting variation alone in the breech with cphp's is a clear indicator FOR ME AND MY GUN of something better out there. i dont know about other people but thats been my experience
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: microsalmo on February 01, 2012, 01:11:48 AM
yup, mine too... some tight and some loose.  Not a precise pellet. Every 2-3 is different. I always know too right when I load it that im going to have a flier.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Jagged1 on February 02, 2012, 12:53:09 PM
  I have a .22 cal Benjamin Trail-NP with the laminated stock that I got for Christmas and I've been trying different pellets recently as well.   I too was wishing for a good poll on what was working well for others, just to narrow down what pellets to try, and I hope to see good participation in the poll.

  Well after many hours of getting used to it and breaking it in, (Oh and getting a new scope from Crosman when the first Center-Point wouldn't hold on the verticle), most of this with the cheap Crosman Hollow points from WallyWorld... I was less than happy with the groups and many fliers.

   I also noticed the huge difference in pellet consistency with the Crosmans both Premier Hollow point and Premier Domed.  Just loading the pellets from one to another I noticed that some would fall right in and some had to be forced in, with most somewhere in-between.  I measured the heads with my caliper and the heads ranged from .15 to .18 with most at .17 and then the random fliers started to make sense!  It's too bad since they are a good pellet at a good price, just VERY inconsistent, even for plinking.  I had high hopes for these since they had a good rep in the good'ol days when they were all made the same size! ::)

  My father-in-laws Crosman GP likes the CPHPs a bit better than mine so they won't go to waste...  Well maybe he just deals with the fliers better than me. ;D  Even for plinking I'd rather have a pellet that had a slightly larger group than one with a flier every 3rd or 4th shot that's well outside the group!

  Anyways the best groups I've been able to get with my Trail-NP were with the RWS Super-H-Point pellets.   From a bench at 23 Yards, on a super calm day, I shot (2) sub .25" 3-shot groups that looked like a clover leaf. I really should have gotten a pic. ;D  I had to walk up to the target both times when I couldn't find the holes in the scope! If it hadn't happened twice I would have written it off as a fluke!  I was impressed and WILL be getting some more for hunting the tree rats.  I think I will try the RWS Super-dome pellets as well and see if they have a similar POI and accuracy...

  The Super-H-Points also flatten right out on impact and should offer massive energy transfer on the smaller critters.  They might not be the best option though where penetration is needed, but smaller critters are likely a pass through hole with most of the other pellets I've tried.  Hopefully the RWS Super-domes will have a similar POI and accuracy and they should offer the penetration needed for bigger buggers like rabbits+.

  To sum it up; I like the RWS Super-H-Point pellets and while I'm not done yet with trying others they are worth a look for accurate small critter hunting pellets.  I just wish they came in a 500ct tin with a screw on lid. I was a bit IRRITATED when I had to dig the loose pellets out of my case when the tin opened up.  Well at least all those Crosman pellets were good for their tins...  I just dumped the RWS pellets in the empty Crosman tin and put the RWS lid in with them so I know what they are; Recycle those tins. 

P.S. Why do all of the higher end pellets come in press on friction lid tins anyways?   :P
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Jagged1 on February 02, 2012, 01:22:56 PM
  Oh and skid9832004 please add the RWS Super-H-Point to the poll please and then I'll vote...  Thanks

Again this thread is a good idea for a "What to try List"...  I know I was racking my brain about what to try when I was making up my list!

  It might also be looked at as a what doesn't do well in the NP list since a pellet that rarely ends up with positives (from several shooters) can likely be passed on.  It's hard to play "try them all" with so many choices and then get stuck with a bunch of full tins that don't shoot for poo in your gun. :P
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on February 02, 2012, 01:45:25 PM
added the super h points. tell us how others do on this thread. like i say the more data the better
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Jagged1 on February 02, 2012, 01:58:12 PM
yup, mine too... some tight and some loose.  Not a precise pellet. Every 2-3 is different. I always know too right when I load it that im going to have a flier.

  I was thinking of doing an experiment with the Crosmans where 3 targets are used; one for loose fitters, one for normal fitters and one for the snug fitters.  It would be neat to see if they would group well with pellets that seem the same.   Maybe if we get some good weather here in Upstate NY I'll try it!

 Maybe Crosman could get some dies that make their pellets the same or better yet package them as all from the same numbered die and label them with the die numbers!

Cheaper is a good thing but fliers that would be a miss or worse an injured runaway is not good at all!  Crosman Premier HPs is the only .22 cal pellet I can find locally (cheap at WallyWorld) and it really is too bad they are so inconsistent... They'd make a great low cost plinker without the fliers and you might not need anything else if they were consistent in your gun.

Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Frank on February 02, 2012, 02:05:46 PM
My Trail NP is very pellet fussy. I just don't understand why it shoots other pellets so lousy. I have tried every pellet almost. I can't figure if there is something wrong with my setup. I do have a quality scope. Yesterday I had no wind at all so shot it at 20 yards. Still the CPHP did the best. The others I tried yesterday were RWS HP and SD, Benjamin HP, Crosman Premier Dome. The RWS SD and the Benjamin HP were the worst. Hard to believe about the Benjamin's as they are about the same as the CPHP
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Frank on February 02, 2012, 02:38:51 PM
I can see a poll like this for every rifle to be very very useful. They should be under one heading or at least somewhere but in one place. Maybe they are already but I have not found that. Are there this type of poll already on the forum? If so where are they as I have not stumbled on them..

Thanks......
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on February 02, 2012, 04:32:49 PM
I can see a poll like this for every rifle to be very very useful. They should be under one heading or at least somewhere but in one place. Maybe they are already but I have not found that. Are there this type of poll already on the forum? If so where are they as I have not stumbled on them..

Thanks......

This is the first type of poll like this. i set it up hoping enough people say they like it. I want to see a poll like this for every gun mabye the admins can create a poll for a bunch of guns then dedicate a section to it.... i feel it would aleviate a lot of questions of pellet choice that everyone asks across this site
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: mcc1961 on February 02, 2012, 07:28:29 PM
You should do a poll on the Disco?
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Magman116 on February 02, 2012, 07:39:44 PM
I too had thought about more consistant CPHPs and decided to sort the tin.  I came up with 3 groups.  The range was from .115 to .118 head diameter.  The .115's were all over the place like buck shot.  The .117s were a bit better.  The .118's were very consistent in POI.  They had to be pushed into the breach.  If Crosman would sell all .118 head diameter CPHPs I would probably buy them again.  Now, I just use them for breaking in a new barrel.

I wasted so much money on different pellets and have a box of pellets I just can't use in my rifles.  Now, I only buy H&N FTT 5.53's and Crow Mags.  I know I will get very consistent pellets every time.

If your pellets aren't fitting well in the breach, just cut a slight bevel in the breach until the pellets just seat flush.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: mtsheron70 on February 03, 2012, 11:10:29 AM
I went with the H&N FTT due to the feedback when I did my research on which pellet this rifle likes to eat and spit down range.  The German engineering of this pellet is great.  That said, once I get my new scope that has zero reset and dialed in with the H&N's I am going to try one of the most consistent and favorite pellets I have ever shot in any air gun the JSB Exact Heavy Jumbo's.  But the H&N's for paper punching are great!!!

I plan on doing a chrony session soon with them since I have over 600+ rounds through the newly acquired Benji Trail NP with the GRTIII trigger installed.  The gun is fairly settled in now.

So a chrony session is in order for sure.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on February 03, 2012, 01:09:18 PM
I went with the H&N FTT due to the feedback when I did my research on which pellet this rifle likes to eat and spit down range.  The German engineering of this pellet is great.  That said, once I get my new scope that has zero reset and dialed in with the H&N's I am going to try one of the most consistent and favorite pellets I have ever shot in any air gun the JSB Exact Heavy Jumbo's.  But the H&N's for paper punching are great!!!

I plan on doing a chrony session soon with them since I have over 600+ rounds through the newly acquired Benji Trail NP with the GRTIII trigger installed.  The gun is fairly settled in now.

So a chrony session is in order for sure.
great post the nimbers and if u can the groups for both so others can use your testings as well!
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: mtsheron70 on February 03, 2012, 01:19:59 PM
I went with the H&N FTT due to the feedback when I did my research on which pellet this rifle likes to eat and spit down range.  The German engineering of this pellet is great.  That said, once I get my new scope that has zero reset and dialed in with the H&N's I am going to try one of the most consistent and favorite pellets I have ever shot in any air gun the JSB Exact Heavy Jumbo's.  But the H&N's for paper punching are great!!!

I plan on doing a chrony session soon with them since I have over 600+ rounds through the newly acquired Benji Trail NP with the GRTIII trigger installed.  The gun is fairly settled in now.

So a chrony session is in order for sure.
great post the nimbers and if u can the groups for both so others can use your testings as well!

I certainly will do.  Hope the numbers are consistent with a very small deviation!
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on February 03, 2012, 01:44:22 PM
yea but the smaller deviations will usually come from a tune from what i have read.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: microsalmo on February 04, 2012, 11:32:36 PM
...some more useful information for this thread...

http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,25575.0.html (http://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php/topic,25575.0.html)
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: bodybag0 on February 05, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
I hate to muck up the waters, but poll should have a disclaimer.   Thats to say you must have tried all the pellets mentioned in the poll.  I'm sure (not all but most) people picking the crosman is because thats all they tried.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Magman116 on February 06, 2012, 10:38:52 AM
I, for one, have every one of the pellets in the poll and many more.  I would put it as the H&N FTT, then the H&N Baracuda, then the RWS SP.

all my .22 guns like the H&N FTTs.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on February 06, 2012, 11:16:31 AM
I hate to muck up the waters, but poll should have a disclaimer.   Thats to say you must have tried all the pellets mentioned in the poll.  I'm sure (not all but most) people picking the crosman is because thats all they tried.
This is true but even if a person only tired 2 different pellets listed this still helps people eliminate a pellet choice and gives people better odds of getting better pellets the first time which ultimately helps people save more money.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: bodybag0 on February 06, 2012, 12:45:52 PM
I, for one, have every one of the pellets in the poll and many more.  I would put it as the H&N FTT, then the H&N Baracuda, then the RWS SP.

all my .22 guns like the H&N FTTs.

I'm with you.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Wild Onion on March 05, 2012, 03:00:14 AM
Does this help?  I just did some pellet testing on my Trail NP All Weather.  These are all 5 shot groups at 21' off a rest - it's clear what the guns preferences are. :P

Nice data! Do you  think CPHP are so popular because they are more readily available?
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: microsalmo on March 05, 2012, 07:45:34 AM
Yup  ::)
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: skid9832004 on March 05, 2012, 10:53:30 AM
Does this help?  I just did some pellet testing on my Trail NP All Weather.  These are all 5 shot groups at 21' off a rest - it's clear what the guns preferences are. :P

Nice data! Do you  think CPHP are so popular because they are more readily available?

Thats just a variable that people have to account for by reading the posts we make under the poll there judgements can take over from there...
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Petey on March 05, 2012, 06:34:26 PM
For my NP it's CPHPs For play and  H&N FTT for business.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: PaperPunch1 on March 05, 2012, 10:31:16 PM
H&N FTT hands down!
Tried several others......have 2000 cpdomed and 500 cphp sitting here that won't get used!
FTT's are just that much better in mine. The flyers just kill my confidence with the CP's, so I need to buy a rifle that likes 'em!!!!!!!! (gotta convince the wife)
Anyway, that's my story an' i'm stickin' to it........
PaperPunch1
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Petey on March 08, 2012, 08:58:50 PM
Just use the CP'S for break in . No need to let them rot on the shelf.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: MonsterManiac7 on January 04, 2013, 10:28:28 PM
hey guys,

This thread has brought me a lot of frustration! I can only get 1" groups at 10 yards at best, I have tried 21 different pellet types. What gives?
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: buggin on February 04, 2013, 09:52:33 AM
CPHPs do alright in my NP. It's what I shoot most often but I haven't tried that many pellets yet. Although, I haven't heard anyone mention Benjamin Discovery pellets. Much fewer fliers per can IMO. With the CPHPs I get a lot of loose fitting pellets mixed in with the rest of the mostly tight fitting pellets. When I put one in that's really loose I know if I'm zeroed at 50 yards I'll have to hold at least 2.5 mils high and a little left (barring wind conditions) to hit my target. I don't get nearly as many loose pellets with the BDs.
I have tried CrowMags... they are fine out to about 30 or 40 feet. Try to shoot farther and I don't have to look for the spiralling pellets, I can hear them. At around the 30 yard line it's almost a guarantee that they will veer off or tumble. No luck so far with them. Unfortunately, there isn't a crow near me that's willing to come within 50 feet of a person so you can forget actually using them for hunting.
So far I replaced the trigger with a GRT-III and put Hawke rings and scope on it. Keeping a 2MOA group out to 50 yards is perfectly reasonable. I've got a new seal and am waiting for the brass washers and GRS bushing from airguntoys and then I'll start testing some more pellets once I get her tuned. No need wasting money on good pellets just yet.
But I am surprised to have not heard mention of the BD pellets. If the CPHPs work for you but the fliers turn you off try the BDs. They are the exact same pellet as far as I can tell, but the QC seems to be better with the Benjis.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: swayze.22 on February 05, 2013, 06:57:23 PM
Over here its air arms field diablo 15.9g 5.52 they also do 5.51 head size good bc better energy down range good for uk sub 12ft/lbs but the skirt is really soft
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: SquirrelSlayer on February 06, 2013, 02:16:40 AM
I was pretty frustrated with my trail NP until I found the FTT's in 5.55mm.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: linoww on February 06, 2013, 02:55:09 AM
Outdoor at 25 yards today with the RWS Super H-Point.Nine consecutive 5 shot groups.Benjamin Discovery "Sample Pack" HP's shoot the same.
Very bad trigger and light hold make accuracy hard for me compared to my RWS 45 .177

nickel shown for scale.Groups range from a touch over 1/2" to a bit over 1"

(http://i1105.photobucket.com/albums/h352/LINOWW/PICT9114_zpsa99786ca.jpg)
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: lizzardmax on April 26, 2013, 11:01:30 PM
I have yet to try pellets other than the cphp's they shoot at .5 1" groups at  13yrds, Im thinking of ordering a Straight Shooters pellet sampler pack that has all of the pellets in the poll plus more as every gun is different and want to see what is best in mine. I'll post my results when i get there.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: PaperPunch1 on April 27, 2013, 12:59:57 PM
My NP Hardwood only shoots 5.53 H&N Field Target Trophy pellets......that's the only one worth anything in mine.
PaperPunch1
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Greenwolf on May 08, 2013, 12:27:45 PM
I have not used all (any?) of the pellets in the poll yet, so i didn't vote. I've tried 5 different pellets though and thought I would share my results.

The pellets I have used are daisy hollow points and the 4 pellets that come in the benjamin discovery ultimate hunting pack (domed magnum, hollow points,  pointed expanding, and super points). The other night I set up and shot them all in groups of 5 at about 15 yards, and to be honest, I was a little surprised with the results. The most accurate were the domed magnum pellets, three of the 5 were basically through the same hole. The surprise was that the daisy pellets were a fairly close second. The super points and benjamin hollow points were an interchange 3-4, with the pointed expanding convincingly last.

Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Treb37 on May 08, 2013, 10:45:52 PM
hey guys,

This thread has brought me a lot of frustration! I can only get 1" groups at 10 yards at best, I have tried 21 different pellet types. What gives?
A lot of things besides the ammo can affect accuracy. If you have done a home tune and gone through the checklist of possible issues with the rifle....it comes down to either a rifle that should be returned or your shooting technique. The artillery hold works and all your firearm shooting experience will not help. Airguns may look similar but need to be treated a lot differently. It sounds like a practical joke I know....but you have to hold it right or it will never be accurate.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: srbecker on September 07, 2013, 08:42:26 PM
Im sorry for reserecting this topic as I know it is over a few months old, but I needed to post my findings so far.  I am still in the process of testing, but so far my highest luck has been with the Benjamin Discovery (HP) 14.3 gr pellets, and a close second are the JSB Exact Jumbo Heavies 18.1gr.  I am still testing, so I did NOT vote yet, but once im done, Ill be sure to add my vote to the list.  My question is, are the Benjamins the same as the Crosman Premier HP's?  Which are typically a better quality, or should I test those and compare to the Benjamins?
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Topend Yobbo on September 08, 2013, 05:13:51 AM
Does this help?  I just did some pellet testing on my Trail NP All Weather.  These are all 5 shot groups at 21' off a rest - it's clear what the guns preferences are. :P

Row 1, 2, 3, left to right.....

Crosman Premier Hollow Points, Crosman Premier Hunting, Crosman Premier Lights, H&N Baracuda Match, Beeman Crow Magnum

RWS Supuedome, RWS Supermag, Beeman Field Target Special, Beeman Kodiac Hollow Point, Predator Polymag

JSB Exact Express, JSB Exact, JSB Exact Heavy, Crosman Premier Destroyer EX, Crosman Premier Wadcutter


(http://i43.tinypic.com/w6sjlf.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/da1dk.jpg)

Best pellets are the RWS Superdome, Beeman Field Target Special, JSB Express, Exact, and Jumbo, and the Beeman Crow Magnum.  Crosman Premier Hunting were good too (4/5 in same hole) but their inconsistency might make them an iffy choice - they always seem to have 1-2 fliers in every 5 shots.


Wow , all those shots and you didn't once hit the target?

Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: srbecker on September 08, 2013, 12:16:24 PM
Does this help?  I just did some pellet testing on my Trail NP All Weather.  These are all 5 shot groups at 21' off a rest - it's clear what the guns preferences are. :P

Row 1, 2, 3, left to right.....

Crosman Premier Hollow Points, Crosman Premier Hunting, Crosman Premier Lights, H&N Baracuda Match, Beeman Crow Magnum

RWS Supuedome, RWS Supermag, Beeman Field Target Special, Beeman Kodiac Hollow Point, Predator Polymag

JSB Exact Express, JSB Exact, JSB Exact Heavy, Crosman Premier Destroyer EX, Crosman Premier Wadcutter


(http://i43.tinypic.com/w6sjlf.jpg)

(http://i40.tinypic.com/da1dk.jpg)

Best pellets are the RWS Superdome, Beeman Field Target Special, JSB Express, Exact, and Jumbo, and the Beeman Crow Magnum.  Crosman Premier Hunting were good too (4/5 in same hole) but their inconsistency might make them an iffy choice - they always seem to have 1-2 fliers in every 5 shots.


Wow , all those shots and you didn't once hit the target?



That'A Because He Is Zeroed at A Further Range
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Topend Yobbo on September 09, 2013, 06:25:05 AM
Holdover/under?
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: srbecker on September 09, 2013, 09:48:13 AM
If he was trying to hit the target, he would hold over/under, but he was shooting for groups.  Holding over/under would increase his group size because he is now guessing where the center of his mildot is instead of using the center of his crosshairs.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: HYspd on September 09, 2013, 06:39:15 PM
when testing several pellets you don't worry about hitting the bullseye because you would have to rezero your scope for each pellet you tried

you find which pellet puts the shots the closest together, then use that pellet and set your zero for it.

in the next day or two i'm going to vote with my wallet and get 4 tins from Pyramyd..FFTs in 5.53 JSB 18.1s in 5.52 and JSB 14.3s in 5.52 and some Air Arms 16gr in 5.51..then i'll get some Super Domes via the Walmart site to store thing.

add in the CPHPs and the benji sampler I have for break in shooting and that's 10 different pellets to try.

the Benji domes shoot well I think (my cousin's kid was shooting them) and forget the aptly named Destroyers,
they destroy accuracy by 20 yards...

I have to go along with the crowd about the CPHPs..first tin was small to just right and shot pretty good for a springding nitro newbie, but this lastest tin is over size and shoot horribly...I think some of the pellets are actually .25
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: srbecker on September 09, 2013, 10:25:52 PM
Im right with you HYspd. I have a total of 13 pellets types on the way.  Going to do 3 rounds, 5 shots each pellet for a total of 15 shots per pellet. Then take the average of those 3 rounds. Smallest 6 average group size will make it to the next distance of 15 yards. Same process with those 6, then smallest 3 average groups sizes out to 25 yards. The winner at 25 yards will be my pellet choice.  A very long process, but for me, doing the average will eliminate some of my human error in the final results.  1 bad group wont eliminate a pellet if the other 2 groups are tight
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: darrenf on September 16, 2013, 05:11:40 PM
So glad I found this thread.  I recently ordered a Benj Trail refurb from Airgundepot in .22.  Ordered a bunch of CP Domes to go with it after seeing the edgunusa video on Youtube. I have had great luck with those pellets in .177, but man what a disappointment in .22.  I was going to send the gun back, but after seeing this thread I ordered a tin of H&N FTT.  Holy cow, what a difference.  Went immediately from missing the gamo targets at 18 yards with 3 out of 10 shots to quarter sized groups at that distance.  Not going to add to the poll since I only tried 2 of the pellets listed, but this thread made he happy with my rifle.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Laz on October 16, 2013, 12:47:41 AM
Well after many of pellets and tons and tons of ragged gamo targets, I think its safe to say that JSB 15.8 and JSB 18.1 grain pellets do the best in mine. I've tried 11 others (including the ever popular H&N FTT's and benjamin discovery HP's) and these two group the best. I say these 2 because it goes back and forth on which one does better for the day. Both consistantly group within a quarter 20 yards, sometimes with a flyer, sometimes not. Always ragged holes though. But what impresses me about this gun is when I do my part, and it does its, I get dime groups at 20 yards. I'm impressed so much because I only had a phantom .22 before this. And after tuning the *(&^ out of that, super smooth now, and zeroing in for bullseye, I would get maybe nickel sized groups. With my trail np .22, moly'd, deburred, sanded, copper pivot washers, no GTX trigger, its not rare and happens quite often are dime groups. I've yet to try groups at further range as my yard has 20 yards... probably 30 if I can ever get a weedwhacker. And sorry for resurrecting this topic, but I had to report my results. This thread helped me tons! If wondering, the JSB 14.3gr and 13.43gr do decent as well in mine. JSB's are awesome pellets! Thanks for reading!
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Rico14 on October 16, 2013, 01:19:07 AM
My NP likes two pellets, CPHP's from Wally and the Predator polymags. The group is CPHP's at 30 yards from a rest. The target is Predators except for the bottom row (CPHP'S) also shot at 30 yards, but off the top of the car using a sand bag.
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: srbecker on November 12, 2013, 02:30:59 PM
I personally found, after 1000's of rounds fired and about 18 different pellet types tested at 10,15 and 25 yards, my most accurate and most consistant pellets are Benjamin Discovery HP 14.3gr.  Can we please add this to the vote list?
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: fsmithnc on November 14, 2013, 02:01:40 PM
Thanks for starting this - very helpful!

Just breaking in my (refurb) Trail - 100 shots since I got it.

1. CPHP 14.3
2. CP dome 14.3
3. H&N FTT 14.66

Testing done at 15 & 20 yds.  I'm still getting used to the gun so that may play a part.  I am waiting on some heavier pellets that should be in next week.  I couldn't get he RWS Super Dome to group well at either distance.

Floyd
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: tpb68 on November 19, 2013, 12:31:07 AM
you will want to put several hundred shots thru it before wasting any time testing ammo. My Titan NP .22 didnt really dial in until bout 600 rnds. My brothers Nitro Venom Dusk .22 was dialed in by 400 shots. All 3 the same guns just different stocks & scopes.
If you havent already, I would thoroughly clean the barrel. Mine and my brothers were very dirty.
I would also highly recommend upgrading to a GRT-3 trigger.

Happy shooting,
Todd
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: tpb68 on November 19, 2013, 01:17:51 PM
as far as pellets are concerned, isnt the pellet the 3rd variable in this equation...1st being the rifle, 2nd being the shooter & 3rd being the pellet. If the rifle isnt tuned, and the shooter isnt tuned, lol, then defining the 3rd variable is going to be difficult.
Out of the box these cheap gamo clones are anything but consistent- inferior damaged seals & poor lubrication. At least I dont consider an 18-20 fps variance consistent...well tuned your talking 6-8 fps. The POS trigger on these rifles is a variable in itself...a trigger job is a must...GRT-3 blade upgrade at minimum.
If the shooter isnt in tune with shooting air rifles, well...doesnt matter what rifle or ammo your using you wont consistently hit a baseball @ 20 yds.
Dont get me wrong, I love my Titan...after doing a full-on trigger job. But it desperately needs a good tune...hoping to talk to Gene after the 1st of the year :)
My untuned Titan really likes crosman premier domes for target and crosman destroyers- not ex- for pest control. Ive shot lots of different, more expensive pellets without the results to justify spending 2...3...4 times as much. That may change after Gene waves his magic wand over it.
I do my testing @ 20 & 40 yds shooting prone off a bench, and Im trying not to drive myself crazy with this issue until a good tune.

Happy shooting,
Todd 
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: Laz on November 19, 2013, 02:45:06 PM
You are right about the 3 variables and tune. I may disagree about the trigger though. Sure, it may make the trigger pull smooth, lighter but I've managed to pull dime groups at 23 yards. Once you remove the ten pound trigger "adjuster" spring and actually put in the practice to use the trigger, deburr, moly, you should see reasonable results.

I don't think I'll see better 5 shot groups smaller than a dime with .22 pellets at 23 yards with this budget of an AG and just a trigger change.  ::) But I do know I would see these amazing groups more often than not if I upgrade to a GTX trigger  ;D

So if you can't get a GRT/GTX trigger, remove that nasty spring and actually practice with your rifle, its really fun and this "cheap Gamo clone" can produce great results!.... If it's not having other issues  ;)
Title: Re: most accurate pellets for benjamin trail np .22 cal(none XL)
Post by: tpb68 on November 19, 2013, 06:12:26 PM
oh yee of little faith, lol. My brother said the same thing until he shot my titan. He brought his nitro venom over the next day to have his done. On the venom I just filed all the edges of the 3 parts & housing and stretched the springs...didnt install the GRT-3, left in the stock blade w/ spring. He loves it. I promise it will make your rifle more shootable and more accurate :) It can all be done inside a couple hrs. Ive got it down to a 40 min job at this point. I installed the GRT-3 in my titan just to shorten the now smooth & crisp pull. And yes it does take some learning to shoot the GRT-3, but well worth the couple cans of pellets.
If $33 for the GRT-3 isnt in the works, then take the time to file the stock assymbly parts...your rifle & groups with love you for it. And you just might love it a lil more too.

Sorry to hijack the thread,
Todd