I recently put them in a hw30, 50, and 97. They are definitely better than the pg2-3 kits, just due to the metal guide. Much less likely to crack.
Quote from: Sky on November 25, 2021, 10:46:04 AMI recently put them in a hw30, 50, and 97. They are definitely better than the pg2-3 kits, just due to the metal guide. Much less likely to crack.Ed people cracked the plastic outer guides during installation. If you're not careful, particularly if you use a spring compressor the guide can hang on the edge of the piston skirt during reassembly. It's always been in the instructions to stop compressing if you feel resistance. Now people still don't read instructions and they crush the ends of the steel guides over. This was always installer error. There's been other issues with other clearances but the material itself wasn't to blame. I have the same plastic PG2 kits in my Hw95 and Hw30 since 2015 and 2016 respectively. Both guns have tens of thousands of shots on them. I just changed out the first spring on the 95 and I'm on the third spring on the 30. The 30 has untold amount of shots on it and I left it cocked over the weekend which softened the second spring. In any event all of the original plastic parts are still intact. The only time I had a problem with a Vortek plastic outer guide is when the trigger end of the spring broke on my Hw50. It ballooned the guide. Tom at Vortek replaced the whole thing. They're not perfect but they are generally pretty good. It's best if someone has some mechanical skills and awareness if they are going to try to install one.
Quote from: Bayman on November 25, 2021, 06:38:52 PMQuote from: Sky on November 25, 2021, 10:46:04 AMI recently put them in a hw30, 50, and 97. They are definitely better than the pg2-3 kits, just due to the metal guide. Much less likely to crack.Ed people cracked the plastic outer guides during installation. If you're not careful, particularly if you use a spring compressor the guide can hang on the edge of the piston skirt during reassembly. It's always been in the instructions to stop compressing if you feel resistance. Now people still don't read instructions and they crush the ends of the steel guides over. This was always installer error. There's been other issues with other clearances but the material itself wasn't to blame. I have the same plastic PG2 kits in my Hw95 and Hw30 since 2015 and 2016 respectively. Both guns have tens of thousands of shots on them. I just changed out the first spring on the 95 and I'm on the third spring on the 30. The 30 has untold amount of shots on it and I left it cocked over the weekend which softened the second spring. In any event all of the original plastic parts are still intact. The only time I had a problem with a Vortek plastic outer guide is when the trigger end of the spring broke on my Hw50. It ballooned the guide. Tom at Vortek replaced the whole thing. They're not perfect but they are generally pretty good. It's best if someone has some mechanical skills and awareness if they are going to try to install one.I cracked one on install on a 97. Definitely my bad, I didn't realize the cocking shoe needed to ride on it. The pg2 in my 30 did crack. I didn't notice it really. I only saw it when I replaced it with the vortek prototype gas strut. After that failed I went to pg4 and it the sublime 30 action you would expect.
Quote from: Sky on November 25, 2021, 09:05:40 PMQuote from: Bayman on November 25, 2021, 06:38:52 PMQuote from: Sky on November 25, 2021, 10:46:04 AMI recently put them in a hw30, 50, and 97. They are definitely better than the pg2-3 kits, just due to the metal guide. Much less likely to crack.Ed people cracked the plastic outer guides during installation. If you're not careful, particularly if you use a spring compressor the guide can hang on the edge of the piston skirt during reassembly. It's always been in the instructions to stop compressing if you feel resistance. Now people still don't read instructions and they crush the ends of the steel guides over. This was always installer error. There's been other issues with other clearances but the material itself wasn't to blame. I have the same plastic PG2 kits in my Hw95 and Hw30 since 2015 and 2016 respectively. Both guns have tens of thousands of shots on them. I just changed out the first spring on the 95 and I'm on the third spring on the 30. The 30 has untold amount of shots on it and I left it cocked over the weekend which softened the second spring. In any event all of the original plastic parts are still intact. The only time I had a problem with a Vortek plastic outer guide is when the trigger end of the spring broke on my Hw50. It ballooned the guide. Tom at Vortek replaced the whole thing. They're not perfect but they are generally pretty good. It's best if someone has some mechanical skills and awareness if they are going to try to install one.I cracked one on install on a 97. Definitely my bad, I didn't realize the cocking shoe needed to ride on it. The pg2 in my 30 did crack. I didn't notice it really. I only saw it when I replaced it with the vortek prototype gas strut. After that failed I went to pg4 and it the sublime 30 action you would expect.You're a very honorable guy. Few people ever admit to a mistake publicly. I'm proud to converse with a honest man. Yeah the Hw30 with any of the PG HO kits is pretty sublime. The new PG4 Hw30 SHO didn't impress me. It only made the gun harder to cock and didn't make any more appreciable power. I think the HO kit pretty much maxes the gun out before you start losing it's endearing qualities. They generally start off a little over 8 fpe and settle down to 8 or just under 8 fpe after a few thousand shots. Take care.Ron