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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => American/U.S. Air Gun Gates => Crosman-Benjamin Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: desertplinker on January 06, 2022, 05:13:59 PM
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Was just wondering what the advantages are and disadvantages of each rifle. I have a new Crosman 362 on order, Jumped in right away. I have owned in the past, Sheridan Blue Streaks, Benjamin 342s and 1377s and 1322s but never a 392. For example, are the new 392s still brass barrels that are soldered onto the tube?
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I have a pair of the new 392s.
The only downside I've seen is the raised comb. My hopes were to put Williams peeps on them. They are drilled and tapped for them. But you can't get your face down there far enough to use then.
No dovetail grooves. I had to buy a special rail set up to mount a scope or red dot.
And finally... If you want to pump it past 6 strokes, you better put your big boy pants on. However, that said... along with those hard 7 - 10 pump you get some serious power. And accuracy is typical of 3xx platform... very acceptable.
Mind you, I did have to clean some over spray out of the muzzle.
All in all... I like the guns.
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Thanks Bill
I can't remember, are you holding off on the Crosman 362 train ride?
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Like Bill, I have a 392s and was wondering the something when the 362 was released. I'm not in any hurry to throw down another $100 for a 362 if there is not any real advantage of it over the 392.
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Thanks Bill
I can't remember, are you holding off on the Crosman 362 train ride?
Yep, I am... I would like to see them offer that stock and pump handle alone. And maybe the tube if it's different. I could build a beast around that with what I already have in house. Flat top adjustable piston and valve. 2260 trigger group. Steel breech and 24" barrel to be cut and crowned to size.
Yeah... I'll hold off and see how it shakes out.
Like I said before... I got 'lego' guns everywhere.
And my parts bin looks like an airgun Erector Set.
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I have a peep on my 392s and have no problem getting a good cheek weld, although there is room for improvement.
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LOL... evidently you have a smaller head then some of us..... no offence.
As with shooting all types of guns, accuracy depends on comfort. That includes heft, trigger and hold.
I am more comfortable with the side of my lower jaw against the comb... not my upper jaw bone or temple... :o
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I had a moment and came close to ordering a 362. I think I am over it. Interesting to read up on it here though. Haven’t seen much on the accuracy of it yet. Since I have so much time in my 392’s , they do anything I need .
Here is a target with groups from a pair of 392s models and a 392PA . The lower left group is a final scope adjust.
These are good groups for a scoped rested 392. This is where the 362 needs to be , we just don’t know if it is yet.
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I have a peep on my 392s and have no problem getting a good cheek weld, although there is room for improvement.
Mark I removed the hunting pic you had posted, photo's like that are for the hunting gate only, I spent hours soon after I joined the forum removing all my hunting pics that I posted where they weren't supposed to be.
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I have a peep on my 392s and have no problem getting a good cheek weld, although there is room for improvement.
I have the peep sight also and can get a good sight picture, but really have to lean in to do it. My problem with the peep is I can't adjust it low enough. Bottomed out it's shooting about 2" high at 25 yards. I'm thinking about a scope mount like Bill has on his.
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I have a peep on my 392s and have no problem getting a good cheek weld, although there is room for improvement.
I have the peep sight also and can get a good sight picture, but really have to lean in to do it. My problem with the peep is I can't adjust it low enough. Bottomed out it's shooting about 2" high at 25 yards. I'm thinking about a scope mount like Bill has on his.
That's too bad. I feel for ya. At 25 yards using CP 14.3 ammo my Williams Peep is almost on the 2nd line, which gives me quite a bit of adjustment left to lower POI. I wonder why the difference?
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My C362 and the steel breech I ordered from Crosman will be here Thursday. I'll be ordering a TKO for it soon.
That said, I was fortunate enough to get one of the very last wood stock 392's from the local Academy in my area.
The trigger of course is the infamous lawyer trigger that took around 750 pellets fired before it even started to loosen up. It's ok now. Not great. I haven't tried to mod it. I had the overspray, easily remedied, as we know.
As far as I am concerned JMO, its one of the best backyard blasters made and not a bad successor to the Sheridan 5mm.
The C362 has some big footsteps to fill.
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I have a peep on my 392s and have no problem getting a good cheek weld, although there is room for improvement.
I have the peep sight also and can get a good sight picture, but really have to lean in to do it. My problem with the peep is I can't adjust it low enough. Bottomed out it's shooting about 2" high at 25 yards. I'm thinking about a scope mount like Bill has on his.
Put a bit of glue atop the front sight, to raise it.
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I have a peep on my 392s and have no problem getting a good cheek weld, although there is room for improvement.
I have the peep sight also and can get a good sight picture, but really have to lean in to do it. My problem with the peep is I can't adjust it low enough. Bottomed out it's shooting about 2" high at 25 yards. I'm thinking about a scope mount like Bill has on his.
Put a bit of glue atop the front sight, to raise it.
Interesting thought! I wonder if I could glue a piece of fiber optic to the top of it, that should raise it and make it much more visible.
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I have a peep on my 392s and have no problem getting a good cheek weld, although there is room for improvement.
I have the peep sight also and can get a good sight picture, but really have to lean in to do it. My problem with the peep is I can't adjust it low enough. Bottomed out it's shooting about 2" high at 25 yards. I'm thinking about a scope mount like Bill has on his.
I don't have either a 392s or c362, but I am always looking at .22 pumpers off and on. Mainly I'm looking for something that can shoot my NOE cast 19 grain pellets accurately at 25 yards.
It's not a pumper, but my .22 PR900/CR600 hybrid is the same way with the stock irons at 25 yards. I have to align the front sight roughly halfway up the rear sight blade when it is set as low as possible at 25 yards. A minor inconvenience, but like you I wonder if a piece of fiber optic could be glued on top. I did paint the flat part that faces the shooter bright red with a paint pen, which has made it acceptable for use at 25 yards. If I buy a pumper it will be for iron sight use since my .22 and .25 cal PCP's have good scopes and will be used if serious pests come around. I think there used to be a pumper based on the PR900/CR600, but it's not around any more, but that would be nice since I have two PCPs on the platform.
Since I don't own either, which would the forum say is better between the 392s and c362?
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Going to be interesting as people modify the 362 for maximum power . How it holds up and reacts. The 392 is hard to modify but I have tested 45 fpe with my 392. So 20 to 35 fpe is a reliable shooter.
The 392 has a bigger valve and swept volume . Really an apples to oranges comparison.
Always seems the 392 is an underdog but it is a diamond in the rough.
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Here's a pic of the 392/397/Streak models I've tried and still own. The Steroid ones have the barrel attachments. I've really tried to like them but one day with the 362 and I already favor it over any of these. I would like to see the 362 trigger lightened and the stock a little thicker, but I can live with these imperfections.
It might come down to a matter of individual priorities. For me, ease of pumping, scope mounting, and ergonomics favors the 362. If you're a fan of open sights and have bigger muscles, the 39x series is probably still a winner. In terms of aesthetics, my 397 with Williams peep wins hands down. It just has a beautiful profile. Stock is nice too.
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I bought a c362 and am using the difference in price between the 392s to buy some aftermarket parts. I'm looking really hard at the Alliance Hobby and some of the other aftermarket flat top valves.
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I bought a c362 and am using the difference in price between the 392s to buy some aftermarket parts. I'm looking really hard at the Alliance Hobby and some of the other aftermarket flat top valves.
Lots of complaints about Alliance Hobby lately.
No communication and takes forever to ship or no shipment at all.
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I have seen front sights made taller by folding over a piece of sheet metal , trimming the bottom to the contours of the rifles barrel, & use J.B. Weld & a small clamp to hold it in place til the JBW dries. Then fill in the crack on the back side with JBW. Looked pretty good & works fine.
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I would go with the 362 over the current 392 synthetic. The big difference in weight and other issues they ended up with adding the synthetic stock hurts it.
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DJ... have a look at http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/. (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/.)
David (Davio) is a member here and has some great stuff. It's always nice to support GTA members.
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I bought a c362 and am using the difference in price between the 392s to buy some aftermarket parts. I'm looking really hard at the Alliance Hobby and some of the other aftermarket flat top valves.
Lots of complaints about Alliance Hobby lately.
No communication and takes forever to ship or no shipment at all.
That's a bummer, the solid brass breech they sell is a piece of art.
DJ... have a look at http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/. (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/.)
David (Davio) is a member here and has some great stuff. It's always nice to support GTA members.
I've been browsing AA and Magnum Air Power as well. I think there was a fourth seller of 13xx series aftermarket parts that I stumbled across when looking up barrel pricing.
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I bought a c362 and am using the difference in price between the 392s to buy some aftermarket parts. I'm looking really hard at the Alliance Hobby and some of the other aftermarket flat top valves.
Lots of complaints about Alliance Hobby lately.
No communication and takes forever to ship or no shipment at all.
That's a bummer, the solid brass breech they sell is a piece of art.
DJ... have a look at http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/. (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/.)
David (Davio) is a member here and has some great stuff. It's always nice to support GTA members.
I've been browsing AA and Magnum Air Power as well. I think there was a fourth seller of 13xx series aftermarket parts that I stumbled across when looking up barrel pricing.
Most of the breeches sold by sellers, even the ambi brass ones, come from China--- I have one, not brass, and I am not impressed with the machining. I guess I have become spoiled by Don Cothran.
Try GMAC in the UK.
They make fantastic parts for the 13xx/22xx, and they do have a brass breeches with forward or backward breech screws.
I also buy parts from Magnum Air Power; a good source of parts who can be requested to hand-pick parts. Got a steel Disco breech from him that looks so nice and clean, but I do send out some of my parts for nickel plating.
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I bought a c362 and am using the difference in price between the 392s to buy some aftermarket parts. I'm looking really hard at the Alliance Hobby and some of the other aftermarket flat top valves.
Lots of complaints about Alliance Hobby lately.
No communication and takes forever to ship or no shipment at all.
That's a bummer, the solid brass breech they sell is a piece of art.
DJ... have a look at http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/. (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/.)
David (Davio) is a member here and has some great stuff. It's always nice to support GTA members.
I've been browsing AA and Magnum Air Power as well. I think there was a fourth seller of 13xx series aftermarket parts that I stumbled across when looking up barrel pricing.
Most of the breeches sold by sellers, even the ambi brass ones, come from China--- I have one, not brass, and I am not impressed with the machining. I guess I have become spoiled by Don Cothran.
Try GMAC in the UK.
They make fantastic parts for the 13xx/22xx, and they do have a brass breeches with forward or backward breech screws.
I also buy parts from Magnum Air Power; a good source of parts who can be requested to hand-pick parts. Got a steel Disco breech from him that looks so nice and clean, but I do send out some of my parts for nickel plating.
I guess those breeches just look better in photos. I think I saw one on the Alchemy Airwerks eBay store for significantly less than the Alliance Hobby version. I naively assumed Alliance made them in house.
Which hole location do I need for the c362? Is that known yet? I did see where someone had to use a shorter rear screw, I'll just snag one from the local hardware store.
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You need the forward hole.... confirmed.
And I just reused the factory screw that was in the plastic breech.
One thing to note... if you don't use the factory peep sight, you will need a shorter rear breech screw or shorten the factory one so it don't bind the hammer spring.
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362 has the screw in front of the probe, I just found some late last night, IIR Needful things Ebay aka http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/. (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/.) https://www.ebay.com/itm/301519803403 (https://www.ebay.com/itm/301519803403)
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I just saw a pic of an all black 1322 with brass bolt, handle, trigger, and maybe a few other pieces and it was slick. Now I'm rethinking the brass breech entirely after also considering how annoying it would be to keep clean.
Can the barrel band be swapped out for a solid brass one for a 1322? That would look slick.
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I havcen't gotten into it but, the barrel band appears to be a complete different monster.
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I havcen't gotten into it but, the barrel band appears to be a complete different monster.
That's a shame. Allegedly my rifle will be here Monday, and after having it in hand I can decide if an entire brass breech is too bling or not. I'm thinking I'll prefer the black aluminum or steel breech, and really the performance of the factory tombstone will decide between those two.
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Not to further pee on your parade but, in my past experience with these 'lego' guns, the factory rear sight is not going to work out well for you on an aftermarket breech. It will mount hinky and sit too high for the front sight.
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I bought a c362 and am using the difference in price between the 392s to buy some aftermarket parts. I'm looking really hard at the Alliance Hobby and some of the other aftermarket flat top valves.
Lots of complaints about Alliance Hobby lately.
No communication and takes forever to ship or no shipment at all.
That's a bummer, the solid brass breech they sell is a piece of art.
DJ... have a look at http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/. (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/.)
David (Davio) is a member here and has some great stuff. It's always nice to support GTA members.
I've been browsing AA and Magnum Air Power as well. I think there was a fourth seller of 13xx series aftermarket parts that I stumbled across when looking up barrel pricing.
Most of the breeches sold by sellers, even the ambi brass ones, come from China--- I have one, not brass, and I am not impressed with the machining. I guess I have become spoiled by Don Cothran.
Try GMAC in the UK.
They make fantastic parts for the 13xx/22xx, and they do have a brass breeches with forward or backward breech screws.
I also buy parts from Magnum Air Power; a good source of parts who can be requested to hand-pick parts. Got a steel Disco breech from him that looks so nice and clean, but I do send out some of my parts for nickel plating.
I guess those breeches just look better in photos. I think I saw one on the Alchemy Airwerks eBay store for significantly less than the Alliance Hobby version. I naively assumed Alliance made them in house.
Which hole location do I need for the c362? Is that known yet? I did see where someone had to use a shorter rear screw, I'll just snag one from the local hardware store.
Yes, the old/front breech screw location:
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=194713.msg156262022#msg156262022 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=194713.msg156262022#msg156262022)
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I just saw a pic of an all black 1322 with brass bolt, handle, trigger, and maybe a few other pieces and it was slick. Now I'm rethinking the brass breech entirely after also considering how annoying it would be to keep clean.
Can the barrel band be swapped out for a solid brass one for a 1322? That would look slick.
Been contemplating on the 13xx-362 barrel band compatibility myself.
As for the height, it's a given they are the same.
Even the tube holes are the same, or are they?
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Not to further pee on your parade but, in my past experience with these 'lego' guns, the factory rear sight is not going to work out well for you on an aftermarket breech. It will mount hinky and sit too high for the front sight.
I thought the Baker Airguns aluminum breech was the one aftermarket breech that could accept factory sights.
I also have zero experience with any Crosman products, aside from a discounted tin of CPUM I got from another member
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Not to further pee on your parade but, in my past experience with these 'lego' guns, the factory rear sight is not going to work out well for you on an aftermarket breech. It will mount hinky and sit too high for the front sight.
I thought the Baker Airguns aluminum breech was the one aftermarket breech that could accept factory sights.
I also have zero experience with any Crosman products, aside from a discounted tin of CPUM I got from another member
That's the one I'm looking at as well. Does it have the correct holes for this gun?
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Not to further pee on your parade but, in my past experience with these 'lego' guns, the factory rear sight is not going to work out well for you on an aftermarket breech. It will mount hinky and sit too high for the front sight.
I thought the Baker Airguns aluminum breech was the one aftermarket breech that could accept factory sights.
I also have zero experience with any Crosman products, aside from a discounted tin of CPUM I got from another member
That's the one I'm looking at as well. Does it have the correct holes for this gun?
It appears to, as does the Alchemy Airwerks aluminum and brass breech.
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I've got too much money tied up already. I've got a buddy that's a machinist. I'm going to see if he can modify my rear screw breech so it will work.
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Had a Baker breech last year but I did not use it--- I donated it in another forum (CAPOF) 'cuz I did not like the finish and its surface imperfections.
Well, I am very aesthetics-oriented, but most people have been happy their Baker breeches.
The bolt handle would also sit funny on the cut (kinda floating), and I am not the only one who experienced this.
IIRIC, mine was the old/front hole location.
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Eddie....
I didn't look at the hammer but, in my experience, the rear hole breech screw will be too long and relief will be needed to be cut into the hammer. Either that or use a different hammer. If your buddy is willing to modify, you may be better off having him drill the breech for the front hole. He can recess that hole a bit to sit the screw head flush in the pellet trough.
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I've got too much money tied up already. I've got a buddy that's a machinist. I'm going to see if he can modify my rear screw breech so it will work.
Or you could drill and tap the tube, then notch the hammer.
Much easier 'cuz all you have to do is install the steel breech without the probe, attach the rear breech screw, then mark the tube with a punch through the breech screw hole.
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On another note... the front barrel band and side cover for the tube is all molded in one. I would assume a 13XX barrel band can be used but the front end of the gun will look unfinished.
Guys, IMO, the front barrel band is just fine. Just don't over torque the set screw for the barrel.
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Eddie.... sorry, I read your post wrong.
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Bill and Richard,
Thanks for the input. I'll look everything over once the rifle arrives and see where I stand with what I have. I'll take the whole thing to my buddy too. He's a genius with stuff like his. Me, not so much.
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Not to further pee on your parade but, in my past experience with these 'lego' guns, the factory rear sight is not going to work out well for you on an aftermarket breech. It will mount hinky and sit too high for the front sight.
I thought the Baker Airguns aluminum breech was the one aftermarket breech that could accept factory sights.
I also have zero experience with any Crosman products, aside from a discounted tin of CPUM I got from another member
That's the one I'm looking at as well. Does it have the correct holes for this gun?
It appears to, as does the Alchemy Airwerks aluminum and brass breech.
Not seeing it on their page, do you have a link? ;)
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Not to further pee on your parade but, in my past experience with these 'lego' guns, the factory rear sight is not going to work out well for you on an aftermarket breech. It will mount hinky and sit too high for the front sight.
I thought the Baker Airguns aluminum breech was the one aftermarket breech that could accept factory sights.
I also have zero experience with any Crosman products, aside from a discounted tin of CPUM I got from another member
That's the one I'm looking at as well. Does it have the correct holes for this gun?
It appears to, as does the Alchemy Airwerks aluminum and brass breech.
Not seeing it on their page, do you have a link? ;)
https://www.ebay.com/itm/291178357087?hash=item43cb95215f:g:r8IAAOxy0bRTAF9u (https://www.ebay.com/itm/291178357087?hash=item43cb95215f:g:r8IAAOxy0bRTAF9u)
That's the aluminum
https://www.ebay.com/itm/291484525304?hash=item43ddd4e2f8:g:Kg0AAOSwZd1VcYfi (https://www.ebay.com/itm/291484525304?hash=item43ddd4e2f8:g:Kg0AAOSwZd1VcYfi)
And the ambidextrous brass (I saw you mention somewhere you like the option)