I find the VORTEK piston seals to hard for sub-12fpe and better suited to HPO so I used a red one from Custom Airseals Australia. Excellent qualitiy.
Quote from: pelletcaster on February 19, 2019, 08:20:41 AMI find the VORTEK piston seals to hard for sub-12fpe and better suited to HPO so I used a red one from Custom Airseals Australia. Excellent quality.Out of curiosity what's the drawback to a harder piston seal on a sub 12fpe rifle. I've used the Vortek seals on my 8lb Hw30s and possibly for not knowing any better, I've been very happy with them. You really seem to have more experience with air rifles than me and I'm always willing to learn new things.
I find the VORTEK piston seals to hard for sub-12fpe and better suited to HPO so I used a red one from Custom Airseals Australia. Excellent quality.
Quote from: Bayman on February 19, 2019, 09:06:44 AMQuote from: pelletcaster on February 19, 2019, 08:20:41 AMI find the VORTEK piston seals to hard for sub-12fpe and better suited to HPO so I used a red one from Custom Airseals Australia. Excellent quality.Out of curiosity what's the drawback to a harder piston seal on a sub 12fpe rifle. I've used the Vortek seals on my 8lb Hw30s and possibly for not knowing any better, I've been very happy with them. You really seem to have more experience with air rifles than me and I'm always willing to learn new things.To my findings VORTEK piston seals are not only harder in structure than OEM or CAS (sorry - not yet any experience with Maccari) but mainly quite oversized thus robing some power at the beginning. Bedding in by shooting may take up to 1k shots - little bit too much for my taste.Of course you can size the seal down but that's some more delicate work to be done not everybody likes.And sometimes - rather seldom - the system tube is oversized so the VORTEK seal fits perfectly.Trial & error with all those magic springers. Always.LOL
I look at it like this if that loading system was so great? Why would Diana and a few other manufacture's who use to make rifles with this type of loading system discontinue this design? I'll tell u why, because their were to many issues with this type of breech, the accuracy was to inconsistent and people had to many problems with the seals sealing correctly, and the cost to produce them out weighed further production, forums like this keep us informed, so as we all know when the latest and greatest is out there if it not up to snuff people are not going to buy it! Reviews and experience are what sells these toy's we play with! I agree that their are good and bad on all the brands out there, hit and miss so to speak, but when theirs more bad then good I'm not going to invest my money into a chance! the 57 has had more then just breech issues, theirs another gentleman on here who has a rifle that didn't even have the entire barrel rifled in the barrel, and that's not the only barrel issue I have read about from these rifles, the 57 IMO is small and light enough it could be made like the 97/77 and not be effected by the issues that plague this model! people complained for yrs about the HW30 and 50's cocking arms rubbing the compression tube, tho a minor fix it was it should have been fixed from the factory yrs ago! IMO if HW wanted to reach a bigger crowd on this model they need to make the gun like its bigger brothers, and eliminate the said issues, these little rifles are not cheap! When I think HW I think QUALITY!!!! ITS not a Diana!!! its an HW!!!! HW needs to get rid of that MICKEY MOUSE loading port! I guarantee u if they did they probably wouldn't be able to make them fast enough to keep up with the demand for them! as said we live in the information world, my 2 extra cents!
Actually, the Gamo Swarm is nothing more than an off the shelf break barrel, with a loader integrated. Remove the loader, and it becomes a Hornet Maxxim. Can't speak to the Hasan, don't have one of those. I just installed the GRT trigger on my Swarm...it improved things slightly, but probably not two and a half hours of labor worth...I had to install a 5/32" X 1/2" split pin in the trigger, then another hours worth of file work after that. I could have cut down the time on the job had I been more familiar with things, but I wasn't!
Quote from: Yarddog on February 19, 2019, 02:00:16 PMActually, the Gamo Swarm is nothing more than an off the shelf break barrel, with a loader integrated. Remove the loader, and it becomes a Hornet Maxxim. Can't speak to the Hasan, don't have one of those. I just installed the GRT trigger on my Swarm...it improved things slightly, but probably not two and a half hours of labor worth...I had to install a 5/32" X 1/2" split pin in the trigger, then another hours worth of file work after that. I could have cut down the time on the job had I been more familiar with things, but I wasn't! Vance you are right about the Swarm but it is fun to just pop off 10 shots without fumbling around trying to load single pellets. As far as the trigger install like anything else in life experience has its benefits. My first trigger replacement was for the Whisper fusion that I bought back in 2013. That took me about 1.5 hours not including the youtube videos that I watched since at that point I was still very new to adult AG's
Quote from: Sfttailrdr46 on February 19, 2019, 02:08:41 PMQuote from: Yarddog on February 19, 2019, 02:00:16 PMActually, the Gamo Swarm is nothing more than an off the shelf break barrel, with a loader integrated. Remove the loader, and it becomes a Hornet Maxxim. Can't speak to the Hasan, don't have one of those. I just installed the GRT trigger on my Swarm...it improved things slightly, but probably not two and a half hours of labor worth...I had to install a 5/32" X 1/2" split pin in the trigger, then another hours worth of file work after that. I could have cut down the time on the job had I been more familiar with things, but I wasn't! Vance you are right about the Swarm but it is fun to just pop off 10 shots without fumbling around trying to load single pellets. As far as the trigger install like anything else in life experience has its benefits. My first trigger replacement was for the Whisper fusion that I bought back in 2013. That took me about 1.5 hours not including the youtube videos that I watched since at that point I was still very new to adult AG'sAw, man, I do love my Swarm!!! It's as accurate as any of my other rifles, including an R1 and TX200...the thing about it, is that it's just no work, max fun! Very few, if any, foibles. This is my second one, like my HW57, one of my neighbors broke the first one. Fixed it, sold it to another neighbor! Worked out well...
Quote from: Yarddog on February 19, 2019, 02:12:16 PMQuote from: Sfttailrdr46 on February 19, 2019, 02:08:41 PMQuote from: Yarddog on February 19, 2019, 02:00:16 PMActually, the Gamo Swarm is nothing more than an off the shelf break barrel, with a loader integrated. Remove the loader, and it becomes a Hornet Maxxim. Can't speak to the Hasan, don't have one of those. I just installed the GRT trigger on my Swarm...it improved things slightly, but probably not two and a half hours of labor worth...I had to install a 5/32" X 1/2" split pin in the trigger, then another hours worth of file work after that. I could have cut down the time on the job had I been more familiar with things, but I wasn't! Vance you are right about the Swarm but it is fun to just pop off 10 shots without fumbling around trying to load single pellets. As far as the trigger install like anything else in life experience has its benefits. My first trigger replacement was for the Whisper fusion that I bought back in 2013. That took me about 1.5 hours not including the youtube videos that I watched since at that point I was still very new to adult AG'sAw, man, I do love my Swarm!!! It's as accurate as any of my other rifles, including an R1 and TX200...the thing about it, is that it's just no work, max fun! Very few, if any, foibles. This is my second one, like my HW57, one of my neighbors broke the first one. Fixed it, sold it to another neighbor! Worked out well...Its as accurate as your TX!?
Quote from: Yarddog on February 19, 2019, 02:00:16 PMActually, the Gamo Swarm is nothing more than an off the shelf break barrel, with a loader integrated. Remove the loader, and it becomes a Hornet Maxxim. Can't speak to the Hasan, don't have one of those. I just installed the GRT trigger on my Swarm...it improved things slightly, but probably not two and a half hours of labor worth...I had to install a 5/32" X 1/2" split pin in the trigger, then another hours worth of file work after that. I could have cut down the time on the job had I been more familiar with things, but I wasn't! But doesn't the design still offer the same potential problem? That being; the firing of the rifle is what transfers the pellet to the breech?I've never shot a Swarm, but I think I see what you mean... Perhaps my question/analogy pertains only to the Proxima?
I've been kicking the tires on the HW57 via internet research. After reading comments and personal reviews from over the pond the research suggests the 57 breech problem was resolved 10 or more years ago? My take was that for the most part British commentary waxed favorably toward the gun.I've wondered personally how well a perfectly aligned pop up breech would hold up after years of repeated use. Seals and springs can be easily replaced. I suspect the breech may require servicing, maybe not so easy?The HW57 and Diana 430L are definetely on my radar but the breech on one and cocking effort on the other are holding me back. Both guns have a sound pedigree, apparently handle well and exhibit firing cycles in line with some of the better 12fpe guns on the market.
Well now, after buying more airguns than I care to mention the one gun I don't have but always wanted is a marviously figured walnut TX200 in mkii or mkiii . I would like to think it's the cat's meow at 12fpe and the solution to all my plinking problems. Buy once, cry once, load another round.