The 1322 is a better choice for hunting in both pistol and rifle guise.Generally in tissue or animals heavier rounds will penetrate more.The wider pellets will cause more damage too.It also has greater energy.My new 1322 gets 475fps with 14.3gr crosman pellets at 10 pumps.At 12 pumps it breaks 500fps.That’s plenty of power for the range you’ll get out of a handgun.
I have had my 1377 since i purchased it new in 1986. I have shot more than a few critters with it. I prefer wadcutters for the flat smack, I feel they work better than domes of any weight. But that also depends what you are shooting. Bunny under 10 yards, if you can hit the spot it will work. Tree rats, not so much, they need a little more power. I agree the 22 at those low speeds may be better.My 1377 was my chippy control gun. Perfect for that. I am a little sour on the newer ones. In 2020 I bought a 1300kt from the performance shop. Wore the lump linkage out in a year.
Quote from: Diananike on December 05, 2022, 02:36:53 PMThe 1322 is a better choice for hunting in both pistol and rifle guise.Generally in tissue or animals heavier rounds will penetrate more.The wider pellets will cause more damage too.It also has greater energy.My new 1322 gets 475fps with 14.3gr crosman pellets at 10 pumps.At 12 pumps it breaks 500fps.That’s plenty of power for the range you’ll get out of a handgun.A good response. Can you estimate the max range you would take a shot with a stock 1322 @ 10-15 pumps? Is it possible the 1377 could give better range from a pistol?My backpack gun is currently a 1377 in pistol form with a TRS-25 on it. I have used it for mice and rats but never tried it on anything larger.
Sh00ter, Having shot both 1377 and 1322s abit, with original 10.1" barrel, when using 10.5gr .177 vs 14.3gr .22 at 10 pumps, both have nearly identical flight paths to 20-25 yards which is about as far as youd want to make shots in the 13xxs w the 10.1" Adding longer barrels 14" and 18" will boost velocity by around 75-100+ fps over the 10.1" barrel at 10 pumps. Ik heb both 1377 and 1322 in 18", 14", 10.1"wBRLDC, and a 12".22. Great accuracy to 25-30. If your wanting to take out Rabbits, both would work just fine, though 1322 would start flight and end flight with a little more FPE and knock a little harder on your prey/target. If i had to choose 1 for rabbit and squirrel,, id choose one of the longer barrel 1322.. if it was smaller like FeathersBait of anykind id take a 1377..NVak
Quote from: Sh00ter on December 05, 2022, 04:05:00 PMQuote from: Diananike on December 05, 2022, 02:36:53 PMThe 1322 is a better choice for hunting in both pistol and rifle guise.Generally in tissue or animals heavier rounds will penetrate more.The wider pellets will cause more damage too.It also has greater energy.My new 1322 gets 475fps with 14.3gr crosman pellets at 10 pumps.At 12 pumps it breaks 500fps.That’s plenty of power for the range you’ll get out of a handgun.A good response. Can you estimate the max range you would take a shot with a stock 1322 @ 10-15 pumps? Is it possible the 1377 could give better range from a pistol?My backpack gun is currently a 1377 in pistol form with a TRS-25 on it. I have used it for mice and rats but never tried it on anything larger.I just meant that at the close ranges that you can hit things with a handgun the flatter trajectory of a .177 really won’t benefit you.Also the stock 1322 and 1377 don’t really have the power to shoot anything that far away.Both are 15yd guns. Perfect for around the house and garage.At those distances the 1322 will offer better wound ballistics. More power and better penetration.I use heavy 21gr Barracuda H&N pellets in my 1322. It gets around 420 fps with 12 pumps and excellent penetration.It is stock except for the crosman shoulder stock.I use the peep sight insert and it’s really handy around the house.
From my personal experience I agree that 1377 is better in pistol / unmodded form than a 1322I got a 1377 for christmas in I think 1986. Shot it for several years and then decided that I needed a 1322 as the .22 cal would make it SO much more powerful. So I got a 1322 in around 1991 or 1992, and was very dissapointed. The pellet was so slow that I could watch the pellet flight to the target. possibly it's just that my eye could pick it up easier because of the larger size, but I remember it being pretty slow. that 1322 had a plastic bolt probe which broke after a few months and I ended up throwing the gun in the trash (big regret now, but I was a young teen at the time and didn't know anything about airgun repair). years later I ended up having my original 1377 converted to a .22 cal carbine and got all the performance mods done to it so that it now shoots over 600 fps with 14.3 grain pellets, so I think in a modded form with a longer barrel, .22 cal is clearly better, but if I were to ever have a stock, pistol again, it would certainly be .177 cal. Again, just my experience as a 12/13 year old, so over 30 years ago, but I do remember being dissapointed in the 1322. maybe because I had hyped it up so much in my mind. I just remember it being kind of a $)((#. Maybe I had a dud, who knows.
so now we have a specific scenario. Let me tell you, by experience (as in several weekly), a raccoon is only going down if the pellet enters the cranial cavity, and neither 13xx gun can do that UNLESS the shot is threaded through the ear canal, or ocular cavity. I have dissected raccoons and seen the effect of a .22 LR (yep) forehead shot, that has entered above the nose, turned upwards and run the perimeter of the head between the skull and skin. The average thickness of an adult raccoon is about 4 mm. It is thick as heck!. So if you are shooting a raccoon with either .177 or .22 13xx, it better be a trapped raccoon, point blank in the 2 spots mentioned, or it will take many shots to finally euthanize the critter. Raccoon is beyond the capabilities of that platform, and i say that with a heavily modded one. (or a more powerful air rifle).As far as body shots, a raccoon will take a pellet on the gut like a champ and keep on walking. It may die, days later, from an infected wound, so body shots are not recommended with any (general use) airgun. Remember that pellets guns do not cause massive hydrostatic shock, like firearms. and the larger the critter, the less affected they are. And if you are euthanizing one with the method mentioned above, .22 is still the way to go. larger cavity, more damage, more chance to cause internal damage. Like i said, .177 has its place. I take most of my squirrels with that caliber but using my S200 at 11.7 fpe. That gun can head shot anything out to about 50 yards. The 1377 does its job, on little pests, but to about 15 yards, no more.