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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => American/U.S. Air Gun Gates => Crosman-Benjamin Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: JaRoHe on November 09, 2018, 03:58:09 AM
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How close can the Crosman 1322 be sighted with iron sights? My target of opportunity will be approximately 7-8 feet (kitchen window to base of bird feeder)...
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Well I guess I'll have to answer my own question once it arrives on Sunday...
I went ahead and pulled the trigger by ordering one this morning!!!
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My 1377 will sight in that close.
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Thanks for the reply Matt...
I wasn't sure if there would be enough adjustment to allow it to be sighted at that short of a distance.
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I think you will be fine... there is quite a bit of adjustment for elevation on the factory sight. If you are handy with a dremel or small file the slot can be elongated easily on the 13XX to get you more adjustment if needed.
Also a lot can be accomplished by varying between the 6 o'clock sight picture vs the center hold.
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From my recent* personal experience with the 1377 and 2240, the sights can adjust to about 15-20~ yards (at max 10 pumps or a spanking new cartridge) before the adjustable backsight can't adjusted enough downwards.
I have the rear sight all the way down on my mostly stock 1322, and I still have to aim a couple of inches low at 15 yards. Five pumps or ten, at that distance it doesn't really make any difference. It shoots that much too high. Yeah, I should take a needle file to the adjustment slot.
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According to the orders tracking number... the package shows as being out for delivery. I'll be finding out soon enough how it shoots.
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huh, maybe something is wrong with my 1377 then? I was shooting it yesterday at 13 feet in the basement and it was dead on. It actually shot low when I first got it and I had to adjust the rear sight up some. It was new when I bought it and is still mostly stock. The only modification I have done so far was installing a left hand safety.
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The actual distance to target is approximately 11' 6" (vs. my initial 7-8 feet guesstimate).
First 6 shots right out of the package grouped just high and slightly to the right (approximately 1/2"). Adjusted rear sight down slightly and shot 3 shot group... spot on!
The first sparrow that crossed the 1322's sights is now cat food... I'm off to a good start.
Needless to say, my first experience left me with a good first impression!!!
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Skeeeets...
I'll have to consider myself lucky then, I must have got a good one... I don't know that I trust my eyesight enough to be making 10 - 15 yard shots without using a scope.
Accuracy is important to me, I like to practice one shot / one kill. I don't need to have wounded/crippled sparrows fluttering around the neighborhood... that would most likely draw attention (not in a good way).
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I was only using 4 pumps...
I don't have a crony. Any idea what the fps might be at 4 pumps? It put a hole thru that sparrow...
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i got a 1322 that i keep all original. all i did was dissasemble , clean, lube and reassemble with tlc. at 4 pumps with crosman premiers HP 14.3 i get 330 fps which works out to 3.46 fpe. At 9 (after that it does not go faster but it does store some air... so that is my max) i get 436 fps, or 6.04 fpe
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lillysdad... Thanks for the fps info... I've been picking off HOSP's with 4-5 pumps @ 11-15 feet. I've managed to impressed myself with the accuracy I've been able to achieve... now able to regularly put 3 to 5 shots within .750" groups at 12 feet.
Focusing on controlling my grip made all the difference in narrowing my groups.
Now considering picking up a 1377... at some point, I may consider performing a mod or two.
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all you need is a bolt and a barrel from crosman... then you can convert your .22 into a .177.
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I initial thought was that I'd want to own both the 1322 and the 1377... I figured I'd start with the 1322 to get a feel for how it handled before springing for the 1377.
I have to say that I've been pleasantly impressed with the 1322 in the short time I've owned it... impressed enough that I pulled the trigger and placed an order for the 1377 this morning (hope to have it in hand by this weekend).
I haven't done much in the way of researching what mods are available for these models, but I will definitely begin look into what my options may be for future upgrades/improvements.
Any thoughts on 'must have mods' to begin with... trigger mods, sights, etc???
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Any thoughts on 'must have mods' to begin with... trigger mods, sights, etc???
are you kidding? enter that on your google box and watch your PC slow down to a crawl... lol. Its a disease... i got 3... currently. not counting the 1322. and that is after downsizing drastically. what ever you get always keep one bone stock. one day they will go away and it will be a good memento of a shooting era... must mod? steel breach. recommended? good God man... what do you want it for? careful what you wish for... lol
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the only "must have" mod is to change the pump arm pivot pin to something more solid.
Is this something you notice going bad over a period of time... or is this something that's not right out of the package?
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Any thoughts on 'must have mods' to begin with... trigger mods, sights, etc???
are you kidding? enter that on your google box and watch your PC slow down to a crawl... lol. Its a disease...
You're making me nervous with that statement... I have a real bad tendency to go overboard. Not sure I'm ready to go down the rabbit hole just yet!!!
Maybe I should just stick with the bone stock for the time being...
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the only "must have" mod is to change the pump arm pivot pin to something more solid.
Is this something you notice going bad over a period of time... or is this something that's not right out of the package?
The stock one tends to work its way out and you have to frequently be pressing it back in. I replaced the one in my first 1322 with a pin from the Home Depot that fit perfectly, for a few dollars. I don't remember exactly how much.
Any thoughts on 'must have mods' to begin with... trigger mods, sights, etc???
are you kidding? enter that on your google box and watch your PC slow down to a crawl... lol. Its a disease...
You're making me nervous with that statement... I have a real bad tendency to go overboard. Not sure I'm ready to go down the rabbit hole just yet!!!
Maybe I should just stick with the bone stock for the time being...
There are lots of popular things to do with it to make it more powerful, more accurate, more flashy and personalized, and quiet! People put hundreds of dollars into it. I'm partway into that club myself. Skeeeets' term "Lego gun" is a good one. The Crosman Custom Shop (https://www.crosman.com/custom-shop/) is only the tip of the iceberg, and there are plenty of third-party suppliers of improved valves, beautiful wood stock and forearm, and lots of other things. Check out for example Alchemy Air Werks (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/) . David Grimes there is a very nice man to work with.
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+1 for Alchemy Airwerks, he also has an ebay store called "needful things" that is linked on his website.
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I have never changed my roll pin.
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I have never changed my roll pin.
Mine is a much-used first variant from the 70's and still has the original roll pin. I suggest you shoot it for a while before making a bunch of changes. It may be just fine as it came, but after a box of pellets, you may decide there's a mod or two that makes sense for you. I put a steel breech and Lyman rear sight on my first one. I'm leaving my current one stock.
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If you plan on modding, driving out the roll pin over and over can be a pain. I bought one of these from Alchemy to replace the roll pin. Life is much easier. LINK (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/store/p1/Stainless_Steel_Roll_Pin_Replacement%C2%A0_for_Crosman_1322_1377_%2F_PC77_Backpacker_760.html)
(http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/uploads/1/7/3/1/17313740/s124734459505808862_p1_i2_w640.jpeg)
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Some simple, almost no cost mods I made to my stock 1322:
Clean up the trigger and sear to get rid of stamped metal roughness. Put in a lighter trigger spring (hardware store item), and if you want make a guide for the top of the spring. Result should be a smoother trigger at whatever pull you choose (mine is about 1.5-2 lbs). Plenty of How-To posts on this site. Here is Jason's great write up https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=138633 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=138633)
I made a new rear sight blade with a narrower notch (a dremel works for this).
I wrapped the grip with tennis racquet overgrip (Walmart) to get rid of the slippery plastic feel.
Enjoy your 1322
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I have never changed my roll pin.
Mine is a much-used first variant from the 70's and still has the original roll pin. I suggest you shoot it for a while before making a bunch of changes. It may be just fine as it came [...] I'm leaving my current one stock.
I had to press my roll pin back in several times in the first 150 pellets. Clearly some aren't staying in as well as others.
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I have never changed my roll pin.
Mine is a much-used first variant from the 70's and still has the original roll pin. I suggest you shoot it for a while before making a bunch of changes. It may be just fine as it came [...] I'm leaving my current one stock.
I had to press my roll pin back in several times in the first 150 pellets. Clearly some aren't staying in as well as others.
Thanks for the heads up on the pivot pin... I'll keep my eye on it moving forward.
I'll definitely be looking into modifying the trigger on the 1377 it is awfully sticky/catchy... Thanks for posting posting the link WhatUPSbox... looks to be sound advice!!!
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If it becomes necessary to replace the original pivot roll pin, do you simply replace the original roll pin with another roll pin? Does it need to be replaced with a larger diameter roll pin? Is the problem with the original roll pin due to inferior quality or poor design?
The pins pictured in Hoosier Daddy's post above do not appear to be roll pins... do these pins replace the original pins without modification, or are modifications required to fit the new pins?
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If it becomes necessary to replace the original pivot roll pin, do you simply replace the original roll pin with another roll pin? Does it need to be replaced with a larger diameter roll pin? Is the problem with the original roll pin due to inferior quality or poor design?
The pins pictured in Hoosier Daddy's post above do not appear to be roll pins... do these pins replace the original pins without modification, or are modifications required to fit the new pins?
This is the roll pin replacement (not a roll pin at all) that's on my 1322 carbine, from Alchemy Air Werks:
(http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/uploads/1/7/3/1/17313740/s124734459505808862_p1_i2_w640.jpeg)
(from http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/store/c15/Pumper_Must-Haves.html (http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/store/c15/Pumper_Must-Haves.html) )
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If it becomes necessary to replace the original pivot roll pin, do you simply replace the original roll pin with another roll pin? Does it need to be replaced with a larger diameter roll pin? Is the problem with the original roll pin due to inferior quality or poor design?
The pins pictured in Hoosier Daddy's post above do not appear to be roll pins... do these pins replace the original pins without modification, or are modifications required to fit the new pins?
My pin from Air Werks slipped right into my 1377...snugged the screws a bit against the pump tube...problem solved.
Mine had a loose front sight out of the box, so I made sure I had it pushed over straight up while I tightened the screws on the pin and it hasn’t moved since after thousands of shots.
I had tried several times to shim my sight tight with the original roll pin, but after a few shots it would always lean to the left again.
The replacement pin from Air Werks fixed that problem too.