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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: mrbulk on October 01, 2020, 03:21:34 PM
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Been mounting/swapping scopes a lot between my PCP rifles lately. Got tired of using sensitive, finicky, fiddly bubble levels and finally tried this. For those who have never used this, it’s ingenious:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orvSEPzvBwI (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=orvSEPzvBwI)
Amazon link for the (cheaper) one I got:
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07SG589K4?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07SG589K4?psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)
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Your URL is a bit wacky.
Try this one: https://www.amazon.com/Tough-Tactical-Tools-Mounting-One-Piece/dp/B07SG589K4/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?ie=UTF8&psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title (https://www.amazon.com/Tough-Tactical-Tools-Mounting-One-Piece/dp/B07SG589K4/ref=redir_mobile_desktop?ie=UTF8&psc=1&ref=ppx_pop_mob_b_asin_title)
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Incidentally, that's a cool little gadget.
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Thanks for the link fix Peter. I can’t always seem to get the hyperlink thing down pat, sometimes it works and sometimes not. But fixed (for now anyway)...
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just bought one now
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i've seen this and it's on my wish list. i've also read that not all scopes reticles are level with the tubes flat bottom, but it's a good start and for most shooters good enough.
after all, we're not trying for 600 yard groups. yet.
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i've seen this and it's on my wish list. i've also read that not all scopes reticles are level with the tubes flat bottom, but it's a good start and for most shooters good enough.
after all, we're not trying for 600 yard groups. yet.
Yes Carl I agree, so I am hanging onto my bubble levels for those pesky round-bottomed scopes I have (although right now I have ... none, but just in case), plus also with the bubble levels I found that on at least one of my scopes the turret top is rounded, so no bubbling there which is one of the reasons I looked into this instant-alignment thing-a-ma-bobber. For $20 bucks totally worth it. I just don't take the wife out to eat dinner one time... ;D ;D ;D
And congrats on getting one, Kevin.
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Charlie, I have the exact same one! It gets it mechanically close and most reticles are close to being level with the housing....good enough for me as my head isn’t symmetrical either....LOL!
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Charlie, Thanks a bunch. I have known that my scope is a little off, but I didn't want to try to adjust it a degree or two. I envision a scope leveling party with friends and family in the near future.
Hunter
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Charlie, I have the exact same one! It gets it mechanically close and most reticles are close to being level with the housing....good enough for me as my head isn’t symmetrical either....LOL!
Randall sent me one FREE and its all I use.
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That's really cool. I bet some one with a 3D print could make them pretty easily.
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That's really cool. I bet some one with a 3D printer could make them pretty easily.
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Charlie, I have the exact same one! It gets it mechanically close and most reticles are close to being level with the housing....good enough for me as my head isn’t symmetrical either....LOL!
Randall, well it figures you'd already know about stuff I am just discovering. In fact this must be so old hat for you that you even had an extra one to send Travis! ;D
Hunter, yeah this was all news to me until a few days ago. And think of the family togetherness it'll bring... ;)
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That's really cool. I bet some one with a 3D printer could make them pretty easily.
Hmmm, I wonder...but it'd have to be really smooth mating surfaces to be able to get aligned "in one plunge" like in the video.
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Charlie, I have the exact same one! It gets it mechanically close and most reticles are close to being level with the housing....good enough for me as my head isn’t symmetrical either....LOL!
Randall sent me one FREE and its all I use.
Travis what magical spell does one need to get all that free stuff like you do? ;D ;D ;D
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FYI, it looks like it works on the same way as the Arisaka jig. It assumes the gun is mechanically perfect, the scope rings are centered over the rail, and that the reticle is clocked perfectly to the scope body.
It will probably work well most of the time but be aware that it may or may not achieve the thing that matters, which is that the reticle is aligned with the muzzle.
A free and reliable method way to achieve this alignment is to look through the scope and view your reflection in a mirror. Twist the scope in the rings until the vertical bar of reticle simultaneously bisects the muzzle and the scope's ocular bell. This step prevents scope cant.
Then to prevent gun cant, attach a spirit level to the scope tube such that it indicates level when you view a plumb line through the scope and align your reticle to it. From that point forward, trust the spirit level to align your reticle and the pellet's corresponding trajectory to the force of gravity.
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Charlie, I have the exact same one! It gets it mechanically close and most reticles are close to being level with the housing....good enough for me as my head isn’t symmetrical either....LOL!
Randall sent me one FREE and its all I use.
Travis what magical spell does one need to get all that free stuff like you do? ;D ;D ;D
Good people deserve good things ☺️
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Actually once assured the rifle itself is level, one just need look through the scope at a plumb bob or other truly vertical plane.
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Actually that does not guarantee a satisfactory result. The fundamental issue is that there is no surface on a rifle that, when leveled, ensures that the scope is properly oriented to the muzzle. The reasons are many but one common cause is using tipoff rings that seldom perfectly center above the rail.
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Charlie, I have the exact same one! It gets it mechanically close and most reticles are close to being level with the housing....good enough for me as my head isn’t symmetrical either....LOL!
Randall sent me one FREE and its all I use.
Travis what magical spell does one need to get all that free stuff like you do? ;D ;D ;D
I just share my time with good people like Randall he also sent me a great putter that replaced my scotty Cameron and thats not easy to do!
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Charlie, I have the exact same one! It gets it mechanically close and most reticles are close to being level with the housing....good enough for me as my head isn’t symmetrical either....LOL!
Randall sent me one FREE and its all I use.
Travis what magical spell does one need to get all that free stuff like you do? ;D ;D ;D
I just share my time with good people like Randall he also sent me a great putter that replaced my scotty Cameron and thats not easy to do!
8) 8) 8) Cool people rule 8) 8) 8)
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FYI, it looks like it works on the same way as the Arisaka jig. It assumes the gun is mechanically perfect, the scope rings are centered over the rail, and that the reticle is clocked perfectly to the scope body.
It will probably work well most of the time but be aware that it may or may not achieve the thing that matters, which is that the reticle is aligned with the muzzle.
A free and reliable method way to achieve this alignment is to look through the scope and view your reflection in a mirror. Twist the scope in the rings until the vertical bar of reticle simultaneously bisects the muzzle and the scope's ocular bell. This step prevents scope cant.
Then to prevent gun cant, attach a spirit level to the scope tube such that it indicates level when you view a plumb line through the scope and align your reticle to it. From that point forward, trust the spirit level to align your reticle and the pellet's corresponding trajectory to the force of gravity.
Jason,
I have not tried your method, but I'm wondering how my method of instruments will check against this. Also, I think if a plumb line was hung through the mirror and everything was aligned to this at first, I wonder what the final result would be. I gotta check what some of my scope mounts look like in a mirror. I'm guessing they're right on, but your method would be really simple and only requires a mirror, and if you want to add my idea of a plumb line to get the level lined up right off the bat seems really simple.
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FYI, it looks like it works on the same way as the Arisaka jig. It assumes the gun is mechanically perfect, the scope rings are centered over the rail, and that the reticle is clocked perfectly to the scope body.
It will probably work well most of the time but be aware that it may or may not achieve the thing that matters, which is that the reticle is aligned with the muzzle.
A free and reliable method way to achieve this alignment is to look through the scope and view your reflection in a mirror. Twist the scope in the rings until the vertical bar of reticle simultaneously bisects the muzzle and the scope's ocular bell. This step prevents scope cant.
Then to prevent gun cant, attach a spirit level to the scope tube such that it indicates level when you view a plumb line through the scope and align your reticle to it. From that point forward, trust the spirit level to align your reticle and the pellet's corresponding trajectory to the force of gravity.
Jason,
I have not tried your method, but I'm wondering how my method of instruments will check against this. Also, I think if a plumb line was hung through the mirror and everything was aligned to this at first, I wonder what the final result would be. I gotta check what some of my scope mounts look like in a mirror. I'm guessing they're right on, but your method would be really simple and only requires a mirror, and if you want to add my idea of a plumb line to get the level lined up right off the bat seems really simple.
Not to speak for nervoustrigger, but the scope level is the LAST step.... as he has described.
edited for egregious error in identity of poster :(
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I agree, a level need not come into play until after the scope is mounted.
In contrast, using a level on any part of the rifle itself to establish a reference for the purposes of mounting the scope...it makes a lot of assumptions about the physical relationships between parts of the gun that may or may not be true.
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Charlie, I have the exact same one! It gets it mechanically close and most reticles are close to being level with the housing....good enough for me as my head isn’t symmetrical either....LOL!
Randall sent me one FREE and its all I use.
Travis what magical spell does one need to get all that free stuff like you do? ;D ;D ;D
I just share my time with good people like Randall he also sent me a great putter that replaced my scotty Cameron and thats not easy to do!
Travis, glad you like the putter! The one I sent you is made from 303 SS just like Scotty’s. Enjoy 🤗.
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I just use a set of feeler gauges that I have ...
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Just bought one. I once saw a vid (I think), maybe it was on here, of two Russians (pretty sure Russians) leveling their gun and scope by hanging it from two ropes looped under the scope and just letting it hang in mid air. So suspended, and only in contact with the two ropes passing under the scope, gravity pretty much ensures the gun is level. Then the scope is indexed inside the rings to align with a plumb line sighted through the scope. Ingenious! Country
boy comrade can survive...
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As clever as it is, sorry to say that suspending the gun introduces a new set of assumptions and sources of error, not the least of which are bilateral weight asymmetry and friction between the rope and scope.
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I think if we go by the title of my OP, we would realize that this device is for quick and simple approximate leveling of the scope relative to the gun rails.
As already mentioned in a couple of earlier replies, this device is great for easy scope install to accommodate the kind of shooting most on here enjoy, namely hobbyist shooting at normal airgun ranges and not world-class benchrest distance shooting.
Kindly take this thread in the spirit intended so that more can enjoy our hobby, rather than pointing out our leveling “errors” that might be salient at 500 or a thousand yards but not so much at 25-50 yards that most of us shoot in our backyards.
Instead maybe just let us regular guys enjoy our fun hobby at relatively shorter distances where a quick-leveling device like this can save time and expand the enjoyment of shooting rather than looking in mirrors and the like.
Perhaps we could save the micro-accurate leveling advice for the RMAC competitors. Otherwise it may create a chilling effect for other “amateur” hobbyists and intimidate them from adding their also-valid questions and/or concerns.
Please take this comment in the spirit in which it is intended. Thank you.
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I think if we go by the title of my OP, we would realize that this device is for quick and simple approximate leveling of the scope relative to the gun rails.
As already mentioned in a couple of earlier replies, this device is great for easy scope install to accommodate the kind of shooting most on here enjoy, namely hobbyist shooting at normal airgun ranges and not world-class benchrest distance shooting.
Kindly take this thread in the spirit intended so that more can enjoy our hobby, rather than pointing out our leveling “errors” that might be salient at 500 or a thousand yards but not so much at 25-50 yards that most of us shoot in our backyards.
Instead maybe just let us regular guys enjoy our fun hobby at relatively shorter distances where a quick-leveling device like this can save time and expand the enjoyment of shooting rather than looking in mirrors and the like.
Perhaps we could save the micro-accurate leveling advice for the RMAC competitors. Otherwise it may create a chilling effect for other “amateur” hobbyists and intimidate them from adding their also-valid questions and/or concerns.
Please take this comment in the spirit in which it is intended. Thank you.
Agree 100%. Simple easy and effective
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IMO, simple, easy, and close-is-good-enough will eliminate the interest of a huge chunk of the PCP airgunners that inhabit these threads. If they got a PCP it's implied they're beyond the mundane.
Very few don't spent large amount of time and pellets in search of a tune.
Most? also spent more money and time modifying their guns, unsatisfied with one aspect or another.
Speaking for myself, I find the search for consistent accuracy addicting... and that's not going to happen with a gun set up by a novice who's only interest is tin cans. If you're going to do something, do it right.
Why spend the not-insignificant money on a PCP, pump, and decent scope if all you're interested in is "plinking?" Get a cheap springer with iron sights and have a ball.
Setting up a scope properly like nervoustrigger outlined only takes a mirror and a plumb bob to set up any scope correctly. I find the objections to that process, using the argument used which are in essence to buttout, offensive. I read these threads for ideas for improvement, not a path to go with the flow mediocracy.
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Perhaps a tread entitled, “Meticulous Scope Leveling For Extreme Accuracy” would be more to certain folks’ liking and perusal.
This thread is about obtaining a device to enable leveling one’s scope quickly enough to spend more time actually shooting which, in MY opinion at least, is why I’m on this thread rather than an Extreme Accuracy thread. Those wanting that should perhaps begin their own thread worded that way.
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I have not read all of the post,... but thank you for sharing this new device. It is simple and near idiot proof and will be just fine for most people.
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Charlie Nice find ... :D... I will try this one out , it simply squares every thing up... pretty cool ! ;D and if you want to adjust it a bit to your personal final liking no problem . ;) I usually go back ,and forth from bench to off hand shooting to get things adjusted where I like them.
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I have two of the Rex scopes that Mike Melick had on his site, I don't know if he's going to get more of them or on but I've been using the 3-12X one they had for $70 that comes with a level in it that see through the optics. I never really paid much attention to it cause I've never really used a level for sighting in my rifles, all I do is look through it, if it looks horizontal I'm good with that. By the way I do like that Rex scope a lot, it's clear, has been very reliable and holds a good zero.
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Thanks Charlie, looks like a great way to get a quick start on mounting a new scope. Appreciate your post.
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Wayne you mean there’s a scope with an Internally Viewable bubble inside the tube?!?!
That is mind boggling to me...gonna go look it up!
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This may be a horrible over simplification for most, but it’s kinda how I see it and do it; and with my powder burners has resulted in minute of critter( squirrels, white tails, whatever) accuracy.
First off get the optic mounted with good eye relief. Get it as square as you care too. Go to the range, shoot, get it on paper, and learn YOUR weapon and how to get it to group. Don’t worry where they land, look at the GROUP. Once that group business is worked out, use the optic’s adjustments to move the group where you want it. It’s done. Don’t worry about it. I’m going to guess most don’t shoot in the airgun equivalent of F class.
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...comes with a level in it that see through the optics. I never really paid much attention to it cause I've never really used a level for sighting in my rifles...
Wayne, that internal bubble reticle is not intended to aid in proper installation “per se” ...rather it is there to be used as a “anti-cant” reference once the optic has been properly installed/leveled on the rifle.
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I'm with nervoustrigger here. Honestly it takes 10min to set the scope up that way he describes so that's taking so much time out of the range time? And I'm not a target shooter nor F-class airgun type shooter at all. I'm a pester and demand a scope be leveled to the bore and then properly leveled with a bubble level on the scope so I'm not botching a shot on a pest and causing unnecessary bad shots on pests being injured instead of DRT. Even with a 25yd zero you can see a difference at 50yds already of off some. And out to 100yds can be quite a bit.
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I level my scopes by keeping my guns at arm length on the lowest scope power and make sure the reticle is square with the action,.....no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
30 seconds :) :) :)
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I level my scopes by keeping my guns at arm length on the lowest scope power and make sure the reticle is square with the action,.....no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
30 seconds :) :) :)
Haw, got ya beat by 28 seconds Manny ... ;)
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I level my scopes by keeping my guns at arm length on the lowest scope power and make sure the reticle is square with the action,.....no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
30 seconds :) :) :)
My most fondly used method is similar.
At arms length I alternate viewing back and forth between my right and left eye, and I try to use the mold-seam of the but pad as a reference to align my reticle to vertically. 95% of the time I can get it nearly perfectly aligned (close enough to not need further adjustments). Afterwards I can then confirm level if needed, by using a Bog Deathgrip tripod (which has its own built in level) while focusing at a “plumb bob” hanging down range. This second step is really not needed aside from providing additional confirmation and confidence that the reticle is truly square with the rifle’s bore (assuming the stock and butt pad seam are square with said bore?!? 🤪
BTW I own several costly scope-leveling gadgets that I hardly ever use anymore because I honestly don’t think they can work any better...
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I level my scopes by keeping my guns at arm length on the lowest scope power and make sure the reticle is square with the action,.....no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
30 seconds :) :) :)
My most fondly used method is similar.
At arms length I alternate viewing back and forth between my right and left eye, and I try to use the mold-seam of the but pad as a reference to align my reticle to vertically. 95% of the time I can get it nearly perfectly aligned (close enough to not need further adjustments). Afterwards I can then confirm level if needed, by using a Bog Deathgrip tripod (which has its own built in level) while focusing at a “plumb bob” hanging down range. This second step is really not needed aside from providing additional confirmation and confidence that the reticle is truly square with the rifle’s bore (assuming the stock and butt pad seam are square with said bore?!? 🤪
BTW I own several costly scope-leveling gadgets that I hardly ever use anymore because I honestly don’t think they can work any better...
Yeah brother, ...use the force, no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
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I level my scopes by keeping my guns at arm length on the lowest scope power and make sure the reticle is square with the action,.....no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
30 seconds :) :) :)
Haw, got ya beat by 28 seconds Manny ... ;)
30 seconds is the complete process including tightening down the scope :)
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Yeah brother, ...use the force, no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
I see your point but I'm a SUCKER for gadgets so I ordered one yesterday evening and I received it today.
It's very well made and comes in a nice small storage box. I have already used it on a couple of my rifles and I was surprised on how far they were off.
Oh well...just another toy to spend money on and play with.
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Yeah brother, ...use the force, no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
I see your point but I'm a SUCKER for gadgets so I ordered one yesterday evening and I received it today.
It's very well made and comes in a nice small storage box. I have already used it on a couple of my rifles and I was surprised on how far they were off.
Oh well...just another toy to spend money on and play with.
Bob I am like that too, a sucker for gadgets. When I first got mine i checked five scope/rifle setups and found a couple that were off, but the other three were spot-on thanks to the finicky bubble levels I had used. But those took me a bit longer to finally set up.
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Charlie, I too used art bubble levels but this gadget is soooo much easier! 🤗 I am a sucker for simplifying!
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Charlie, I too used art bubble levels but this gadget is soooo much easier! 🤗 I am a sucker for simplifying!
Yes I too joined the "simplify" club. I got stuff to shoot (and do) in life, time is of the essence. 8) 8) 8)
Although I concede I might approach things differently if I had to shoot at really long distances ;)
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Simple, easy, accurate and inexpensive is GOOD.
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Mine came in today, it works good, releveled my scope in 30 seconds and easy to use for $20 bucks it's a deal.
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Never ever do the full adjustments on low power. If you shoot very-very short ranges such as in Mannys case it will work. However, any issue what so ever is magnified many times over on high power and at long range, Oh heck no!
I used a plumb bob, rail level and he device shown here. All at the same time. It is spot on left to right using different mil dots at 25 to 100 yards. Works very well! ;)
Knife
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Never ever do the full adjustments on low power. If you shoot very-very short ranges such as in Mannys case it will work. However, any issue what so ever is magnified many times over on high power and at long range, Oh heck no!
I used a plumb bob, rail level and he device shown here. All at the same time. It is spot on left to right using different mil dots at 25 to 100 yards. Works very well! ;)
Knife
Inclusive approach Knife, that way one won't miss anything. 8)
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Got to pay attention to the details! ;)
Knife
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Yes us non target shooters, non long rage shooters have such a much simpler life :) :) :)
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Yes us non target shooters, non long rage shooters have such a much simpler life :) :) :)
Curious what you would say is the average distance at which you dispatch your hog kills, Manny.
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I level my scopes by keeping my guns at arm length on the lowest scope power and make sure the reticle is square with the action,.....no need for stinking gadgets :) :) LOL
I have a shelf full of do-dads and gadgets. They all have their place. I just checked and smelled each one. None of them stink. Oh well.
30 seconds :) :) :)
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Yes us non target shooters, non long rage shooters have such a much simpler life :) :) :)
Curious what you would say is the average distance at which you dispatch your hog kills, Manny.
Most are in between 5 and 20 yards, had the very rare 45+ yarder and couple in the high 30s,
But yeah 5 to 20 is my 95% spectrum,
I don't target shoot not even short range, just zero my scopes and check my zeros before a hunt,.....I change scopes around a lot and that gives me the excuse to shoot :) :)
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Just read the post and ordered the set. Neat and simple idea.
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Sorry for getting to this party late - here is a link to an excellent discussion about setting up your scope correctly: https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=72099.0 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=72099.0) This was posted several years back by Scott Hull (Scotchmo), a very accomplished Field Target shooter. The method Scott describes is exactly what nervoustrigger proposed in his initial response. Getting the reticle lined up with the barrel is the key first step - making the rifle "level" does not ensure that alignment.
Note that this method is not being proposed for shooting benchrest at 500 or 1,000 yards. Field Target is shot at ranges between 10 and 55 yards - "normal" ranges for most shooters here.
I'm not saying people shouldn't buy and use the jig. I'm saying it might take 5 more minutes to follow the Scotchmo setup, which uses items we have around the house (use a nail hanging from a string if you don't have a plumb bob), and it saves $20. And, you likely end up with a better setup. Time well invested, in my view.
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Leveling the scope to some surface on the rifle doesn't work unless the scope is mounted exactly over the bore.... If the vertical reticle doesn't intersect the center of the bore, you will have a scope cant error built into the rifle, period.... The device in the OP of this thread does not address this possibility, which can occur if the grooves in the receiver are off center, and/or the scope rings are not symmetrical....
This diagram shows that a scope can be perfectly level with the action, but the reticle offset, as in "A" (possible with this device).... If this situation exists, you should mount the scope as in "B", and then hold the rifle as in "C"....
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Important/.highres/Scope%20Cant%20Fix_zpsjtlvn6gb.jpg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/rsterne/a/a8f72a68-64d3-494b-98b3-85ba6a7a34e2/p/c1c4eb32-7617-4d4d-8d50-acf3073ae4fe)
Here are all the possible combinations of scope and rifle cant error, and the resulting POI relative to the POA....
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Important/.highres/ScopeCantChart_zps994cd58d.jpg) (https://app.photobucket.com/u/rsterne/a/a8f72a68-64d3-494b-98b3-85ba6a7a34e2/p/d55b9d63-466e-44d4-a4f0-9859ffb5747e)
Both diagrams are compliments Scott Hull, and there is a link to the discussion in the post above.... I use the method of viewing the reflection of the gun in a mirror to insure the vertical crosshair bisects the muzzle....
Bob
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While it isn't about leveling a scope, it is scope-centric... and is an imperative factor when using a ballistics program like Chairgun to get the most from your scoped gun: Scope Height Above Bore.
Many including myself have struggled with obtaining this measurement. Here is an easy method for obtaining it. I was able to place my gun's muzzle against the paper with the cross on it, thus obtaining the most precise measurement... which was different from the one I'd obtained after pain staking efforts with conventional methods.
Setting up a scope the best way using only a mirror and plumb line, coupled with accurate ballistics information from a piece of tinfoil, a sharpie, and a piece of paper, will provide the shooter with the best opportunity for getting the most from their money and making each pellet count.
https://airgunaccuracy.wordpress.com/chairgun-and-scope-height/
I also want to take this opportunity to thank Charlie for this thread. I've learned from it and I'm sure others have as well. It provides information that will satisfy the needs of both ends of the shooter spectrum.
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now if only i could quickly figure and correct hold cant because of loose nut not shouldering airgun properly issues
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now if only i could quickly figure and correct hold cant because of loose nut not shouldering airgun properly issues
With all due respect, Chuck... that's exactly what a scope level is for. :)
Incidentally, it took me almost 80 years to take care of that myself. You're far from alone.
I'm editing this to provide my solution, and some reasons for hesitating for so long.
All scope levels I was once aware of stuck too far from the profile of the gun, a major turnoff for me. Others were flimsy or poorly made and suffered from accuracy issues as well as failures. Others were too hard to read in a shooting position. In some recent post here on GTA I saw one that suffered none of those things, bought one and installed it. It solved all those things for me and completed my gun's setup... finally.
https://www.amazon.com/Lone-Star-Precision-Indicator-Competition/dp/B01L8HDJH4 (https://www.amazon.com/Lone-Star-Precision-Indicator-Competition/dp/B01L8HDJH4)
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I have the Lone Star in 30mm and need to order one in 1" (25mm). I like it a lot and have several brands here. It is by far the best.
I added an flame orange dot to the point showing centerline and man does it stand out! Easily seen in most lighting conditions.
By accident I discovered an even better way. Adding the flame orange dot to the off side makes the liquid sistory it in to a straight line that intersects the bubble all the way thru top to bottom. Fantastic!
Knife