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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #20 on: January 22, 2022, 05:54:26 PM »
I have the prod and AEA HPSS plus .30 Iíd say if youíre hand pumping the prod is really nice vs the AEA. My prod has its sweet spot from 1500-2500 psi you can imagine how easy hand pumping is and I get 3 magazines worth. Iíve hand pumped my AEA HPSS non plus when I had it and itís a chore and you only get about 2 magazines if youíre lucky plus you need to pump to 3600 and thatís a chore with a hand pump. With an AEA youíll need a large HPA tank or a compressor because a small HPA tank will only give you maybe 4-5 full fills.
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #21 on: January 23, 2022, 01:37:59 AM »
I have the prod and AEA HPSS plus .30 Iíd say if youíre hand pumping the prod is really nice vs the AEA. My prod has its sweet spot from 1500-2500 psi you can imagine how easy hand pumping is and I get 3 magazines worth. Iíve hand pumped my AEA HPSS non plus when I had it and itís a chore and you only get about 2 magazines if youíre lucky plus you need to pump to 3600 and thatís a chore with a hand pump. With an AEA youíll need a large HPA tank or a compressor because a small HPA tank will only give you maybe 4-5 full fills.

Thats good to hear. I really like the HP SS as it seems like itís just the airgun version of a 10/22 but I really dont want to spend a ton of money on SCBA tanks. Im young, big, and in good shape so Iím not worried about being able to pump, I nust dont want to spend more time pumping than anything else
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #22 on: January 23, 2022, 01:55:56 AM »
Having to make a choice much like yours recently.... I feel your pain.
I ended up choosing the Origin over the others for a few reasons.

A couple questions for youÖ what are your shots per fill looking like? Also how is the trigger? One thing that really makes me want a a marauder is how great I hear the triggers are. And lastly, how comfortable is the stock? The finger grooves look like theyd be terrible. I know it seems nitpicky but that was one lf the first things i noticed lol
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #23 on: January 23, 2022, 02:01:02 AM »


Go back and look at your original post on "Please talk me out of this".

Also this quote:   "It's right at my budget and I'd have to wait for the .22 to comeback in stock but holy cow it looks fun!"

The carbine is probably lighter, shorter, more maneuverable, and at least 2X  the FUN factor of your other choices.  Worth the extra $150 for 13" barrel vs 8" and a 350cc bottle.  Yeah it takes longer to fill, but you really don't have to fill to 3600 PSI.  I fill to 3600 PSI but shoot down to 1800-2000 PSI.  Semi's will be an air hog due to the action, nature of the beast.

My second choice would be a Snow Peak (Artemis, SPA) P35 bullpup, side cocking lever is forward just over  the trigger finger not at the rear of the gun, light weight, accurate, easily maneuverable.

I could afford the $650 no problem but I just donít want to spend that much right now. A few years ago I never thought Iíd spend more than a $150 on a pellet rifle yet here I am. Maybe in a couple ears Iíll re-enter the market with a higher budget. Plus it seems like AEA is constantly upgrading guns so Iím hoping theyíll just get better.

The P35 looks super interesting. Iíve seen SPA mentioned on hear but havenít looked much into them. What are the best American retailers?
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #24 on: January 23, 2022, 02:32:09 AM »
I have the prod and AEA HPSS plus .30 Iíd say if youíre hand pumping the prod is really nice vs the AEA. My prod has its sweet spot from 1500-2500 psi you can imagine how easy hand pumping is and I get 3 magazines worth. Iíve hand pumped my AEA HPSS non plus when I had it and itís a chore and you only get about 2 magazines if youíre lucky plus you need to pump to 3600 and thatís a chore with a hand pump. With an AEA youíll need a large HPA tank or a compressor because a small HPA tank will only give you maybe 4-5 full fills.

Thats good to hear. I really like the HP SS as it seems like itís just the airgun version of a 10/22 but I really dont want to spend a ton of money on SCBA tanks. Im young, big, and in good shape so Iím not worried about being able to pump, I nust dont want to spend more time pumping than anything else

For sure !! With the AEA hand pumping is doable just not fun plus it wears you and your pump out fast. Iíd get a p rod and have fun. Marauder rifle I feel youíll spend more time pumping than shooting because of the bigger air cylinder 200 cc vs   65 cc on prod Eventually youíll get a tank but until then prod is the best way to go with a hand pump. You can pump to 3000 psi and youíll get a ton of shots but with a wide spread but for close range it doesnít matter. Hope this helps. Mine is bone stock with the exception of a folding stock and itís a tack driver
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #25 on: January 23, 2022, 06:16:26 AM »
I take a KRAL NP3 over a Marauder rifle or pistol everyday of the week.

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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #26 on: January 23, 2022, 07:24:58 AM »
I bought my AEA HP 25 cal carbine in late June last year, It's probably one of the most fun guns I've got, I cast my own 34.5 grain pellets for it and the gun simply loves them, it doesn't jamb ever, I have shot all kinds of squirrels with it as well.  It's a very well built gun for sure.



I've shot two squirrels within 5 seconds of each other out on the state land that I hunt with this gun 8)
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #27 on: January 23, 2022, 08:05:15 AM »
I can get well over 60 shots per fill but it has a sweet spot. Between 3050 PSI and 1900 PSI. Three 10 shot magazines of very consistent
shooting. After that I will do two sessions of 35 strokes on the pump to fill it back to the 3050 PSI. This is with CPs.
 The trigger isn't the best out there but I was expecting worse and again very pleasantly surprised. It's said to be adjustable and while I've
tinkered with my share of triggers, really see no need on this one.
 The stock shoulders nicely it is solid and well balanced. You're right about the finger grooves. I am considering sanding those down.
I'd think there are some the grooves will fit their hand well and like them but they feel a bit awkward to me. It's not so awkward
that I'll do it for sure but you asked and that's how it feels to me.
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #28 on: January 23, 2022, 09:22:07 AM »

The P35 looks super interesting. Iíve seen SPA mentioned on hear but havenít looked much into them. What are the best American retailers?

The only supplier of SPA, Artemis, etc. is Krale.  Some members say their shipping is faster than US Suppliers.
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #29 on: January 23, 2022, 10:54:44 AM »
Since you seem to be thinking about this in terms of the ratio of pumping to shooting, remember that pumping is just a means of putting energy into the gun.  The more shots the gun takes and the higher the energy those shots are, the more energy it will use - and thus the more pumps it will take.

Of course the efficiency of the gun has an impact, and also the fill range matters too - it is more work to pump at higher pressures than lower ones, and generally speaking we can get more energy out of higher pressure fills once the gun is there.

But it is all a balance.  If you want less pumping, you'll probably want to pick a gun or set things up on the lower power side of things.

I started in the PCP space with Marauders over ten years ago, as they were the best thing going then.  I still have them today - they don't get shot as much as my more advanced ones like the Huben, but they still have their purpose and use.
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #30 on: January 23, 2022, 11:13:18 AM »
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Once you enter the "Darkside" there is no getting out! You will at some point, want to shoot more and pump less. Not a matter of conditioning, just a matter of convenience and time. You will also shoot more often and a lot more pellets. Think in terms of style, function & purpose. Many people end up with an inexpensive compressor even though they started out pumping. I would get the gun that you want, then start saving for a compressor. It's a game changer. Good luck & welcome to the "Darkside".
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #31 on: January 23, 2022, 07:57:28 PM »
My first PCP was a Prod.  It has the best trigger of my 3 PCPs.  It is accurate (likes H&N FTT copper plated best but shoots cheap Crosman domed and HP well).  I made my own stock but I used the one it came with initially and with a block of wood screwed to the comb it worked fine.  With a scope mine weighs 5 lbs.  Nice and light.  But I lost 2 squirrels hit with solid body shots at the stock settings.  13-15 fpe.  I tuned it up to 16-18 fpe and only lost one of the next 11.  It was a head shot that twitched itself into a rotted area of the tree it fell from.  Getting the power up required drilling out the transfer port and turning up the hammer spring.  I also did a B-staley which increased the shot count (O-rings over the valve stem to eliminate hammer bounce) but required a stronger hammer spring.  I get about 30 good shots at about 17 fpe.  But if you do not do the B-staley you'll have more like 20 shots.  It is by far the easiest to had pump.  That is all I did with it until I got my Avenger.

My second was an Avenger in 25 fpe.  Far more powerful but a lot more pumps to fill it up (200-300 versus 20-30).  Comparitively easy to tune due to the regulator.  You have to fire a bunch of shots on an unregulated gun to understand the shot string.  On a regulated gun you can just fire a few tweaking the hammer spring up and down to get your setting.  No need to fire an entire string.  But it is hugely long.  And very noisy (over 100db versus about 85db for the Prod).  Needs a moderator for backyard use.  The stock feels cheap but reportedly the bullpup doesn't.  Or there is a wood stock version.  If you set a 22 caliber at a reasonable plinking/small game power level around 20-25 fpe you should get a bunch of shots per fill - there is a good review on youtube by AEAC that would give you specifics.  I hand pumped it to 4000 psi a few times but it is a lot of work.  3500 is more reasonable but that reduces shot count, of course. 

My latest is a Snow Peak (formerly known as Artemis) P35.  It is also 25.  It came set at about 30 fpe and I got about 70 shots on the intial fills.  But the hammer spring was set a little low for the regulator setting.  When I turned that up power increased to about 35 fpe and shot count is down to about 50.  I may turn the regulator down.  30 fpe is plenty for squirrels, even in a 25.  70 shots per 250 bar fill is nice.  I've never hand pumped it but the air chamber is 265 cc so it would take a bunch of pumps (Avenger is 180, Prod is 66).  I want to buy one in 22 but Krale says they won't have them before mid-2022.  I don't think it would be a good first PCP, however.  There is almost no information in the manual it comes with.  You have to buy it from Krale in the Netherlands.  They are fine but there is no warranty.  It comes with a complete set of O-rings and tools but you are pretty much on your own - without instructions.  Mine has worked fine and I kind of know how PCPs work now but for a first PCP it could be too much.  It is short (under 30 inches), light (5.2 lbs), and quiet (70-75 db with a simple mod to the shroud). 

There are so many PCPs you kind of need to decide if you want a conventional rifle or a bullpup and regulated or not.  I like bullpups but they force the scope to be high which means your POI will be low for the first ~20 yards.  They can also be a little harder to shoot small groups from the bench with.  I shoot from my left shoulder so the flush magazine of the P35 and forward cocking lever were important to me.  None of my PCPs has a nice wood stock.  The Turkish Crosmans are far prettier.  If you shoot right handed they could be a good choice for you. 
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #32 on: January 24, 2022, 10:42:18 AM »
Let me kindly remind you of the fortitude again. Pumping would be comparable to the prod. Shot count around 60 per fill. Plenty of power for small game to bout 30-40 yrds. 300$ or less depending on vendor. Its light weight. I have put a gen1 mrod trigger on mine but the stock trigger can be made good with simple mods. Crosman parts are a phone call away should you need anything. Putting it in a Boyd's stock really boosts it to the next level of gun.
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #33 on: January 24, 2022, 02:49:36 PM »
Kris
Once you enter the "Darkside" there is no getting out! You will at some point, want to shoot more and pump less. Not a matter of conditioning, just a matter of convenience and time. You will also shoot more often and a lot more pellets. Think in terms of style, function & purpose. Many people end up with an inexpensive compressor even though they started out pumping. I would get the gun that you want, then start saving for a compressor. It's a game changer. Good luck & welcome to the "Darkside".

I'll add that this really applies x10 if you are in any way a "tinkerer" . . . pumping our guns up from zero takes most of the fun out of messing with them, especially since some "trial and error" tinkering can lead to several such events in a day.  If you want to get into playing around with valving, then you are going to want a way to fill that does not involve pumping . . . eventually - you don't need to go there immediately, but it will make things much better if you are anything other than an "air it up and shoot it but never mess with it" kind of shooter.
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #34 on: January 24, 2022, 10:04:46 PM »
Alrighty so thanks to everyone who commented and gave advice! I actually decided to get a completely different gun after someone recommended it, an Umarex Origin. I know it's different than what I wanted to begin with but after stacking special offers from my discounts through work, paypal coupons, debit card offers, and a coupon from academy, I was able to get the Origin (with pump) for $249. I figured I wouldn't be able to beat that and for literally half the price of my other options, it was a deal I couldn't refuse. It should be in Monday and I'm super excited!
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« Reply #35 on: January 24, 2022, 10:10:13 PM »
Great choice, you've been suckered into the DARKSIDE.  Don't say you weren't warned.  Take the money you saved and buy that Yong Heng compressor now, before you start looking like a body builder. ;D  Everyone here on the DARKSIDE is an enabler, don't believe me just ask them for more advice on a purchase. ;D
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #36 on: January 24, 2022, 10:43:16 PM »
I'm not disappointed with my Origin by a long shot but having it less than two months, sure like to see more feed back from others who've made same choice. Hope you'll stick around and tell us what you learn.
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #37 on: January 24, 2022, 11:20:54 PM »
I'm not disappointed with my Origin by a long shot but having it less than two months, sure like to see more feed back from others who've made same choice. Hope you'll stick around and tell us what you learn.

Have you tried using the "Search" function?  I'm sure there are some threads somewhere.  Also Youtube is a great source of information sometimes.

Or you can post questions about what information your looking for.
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #38 on: January 24, 2022, 11:37:02 PM »
Great choice, you've been suckered into the DARKSIDE.  Don't say you weren't warned.  Take the money you saved and buy that Yong Heng compressor now, before you start looking like a body builder. ;D  Everyone here on the DARKSIDE is an enabler, don't believe me just ask them for more advice on a purchase. ;D

I go to the gym pretty frequently but i hope pumping is still as hard as people claim. That way when I just go outside and shoot soke stuff Iíll feel a little less lazy!

But Iíll probably buy a tank since I drive past 2 paintball parks on my daily commute
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Re: MRod vs PRod vs AEA
« Reply #39 on: January 24, 2022, 11:44:17 PM »
Great choice, you've been suckered into the DARKSIDE.  Don't say you weren't warned.  Take the money you saved and buy that Yong Heng compressor now, before you start looking like a body builder. ;D  Everyone here on the DARKSIDE is an enabler, don't believe me just ask them for more advice on a purchase. ;D

I go to the gym pretty frequently but i hope pumping is still as hard as people claim. That way when I just go outside and shoot soke stuff Iíll feel a little less lazy!

But Iíll probably buy a tank since I drive past 2 paintball parks on my daily commute
Make sure you ask them about "dry" air.  I recently saw a post on the YH FB page.  The guy was a certified SCBA tank inspector and rebuilt compressors also.  He said that Paintball Shops were the worst possible place to fill tanks at in his experience.  He had visually seen all kinds of "&^^&" inside tanks that he had inspected on their 5 year re-certifications.  They don't care about air quality like dive shops.
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