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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => PCP/CO2/HPA Air Gun Gates "The Darkside" => Topic started by: Krab on January 21, 2022, 08:56:01 PM
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Hello! I'm dipping my feet into the PCP world after shooting a Crosman Phantom 1000 for the past 10 years. I've it settled down to a couple different guns but haven't found anything comparing them to each other. I'm thinking about getting a Synthetic Marauder, Pistol Marauder, Bullpup Challenger, or HP SS all in .22
I'm using them mainly just to plink and hunt squirrels or rabbits out to about 40yds max. I want to stay under $500 for the gun and don't plan on doing any mods other than swapping out the stock for an AR adapter on the MRod later down the road. I'm also going to get a Chinese pump off amazon. I've also got a scope and rings already.
From what I gather, people have started to steer away from the Mrod just because it's getting a little outdated and overpriced, but Walmart/Amazon have it on sale for 400. The perks seem to be its reliability (and Crosman's support) and its aftermarket. Like I said, I don't plan on modding things ever, but its reliability is a huge plus for me as I don't really want to have to tinker with my gun. The shot count also seems great. Not a fan of the classic look though.
Prod is what I originally wanted. My concern is the tiny air compartment, but people seem to get around 30 shots per fill and that it only takes around 5 minutes to get back to pressure with a hand pump. It is the weakest of them all and ideally, I'd like a little more power. This seems like the best choice, if not just the safest choice.
The AEA Challenger is intriguing. I'd get the bullpup w/ 24" barrel. It honestly seems great but I'm a little worried about AEA reliability. From what I've read, they've gotten much, much better the last year. The power is also awesome and I like the ability to change the power level but I haven't been able to find anything about shot counts and things like that. I'd probably get this over the Mrod if the shots per fill were adequate (40+ at lower power levels).
The HP SS..... please talk me out of this. This thing seems awesome! I think it looks incredible and the semi-auto (while not needed) is something I've always wanted. I wish it had more power but the HP carbine is more than I want to spend. My biggest concern is shot count and reliability. I've seen shot count at only around 20 per fill with the .25cal and it has a 135cc air tank which seems like a lot of pumping. It also sounds more finnicky but all the videos I've seen are from the older models. It's right at my budget and I'd have to wait for the .22 to comeback in stock but holy cow it looks fun!
I know that there are other guns with more features but the others just don't really speak to me. The AV Avenger seems nice and feature packed but it looks kind of boring. Not a fan of the Hatsans or the Krals, but maybe I'm just biased. I'm curious to see what y'all think and what choice you'd make in my shoes
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At the price you found Marauders there s no reason not to get one, 3000 psi is less to hand pump that what many of the others can be filled to. And most likely to be best choice ATM for parts. Though many of the completive offerings are following up with parts now also.
Have you checked out the Umarex Origin ???
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I admittedly haven’t. The lackluster reviews for it on PA kind of made me ignore it. Does GTA have different opinions? The EverFill system seems intriguing. I hope there are some aftermarket stocks available
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Here is a recent review of one, I have been tempted to get one for a knock about truck gun.
https://youtu.be/XkLgDeUDLqk
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Oof i just realized how terrible that furst post is to read! Heres a much smaller breakdown……
MRod: Classic and dependable but kind of boring and overpriced (found it on sale for $400
PRod: My original choice. Wish it was stronger but love how easy it is to pump.
Challenger bullpup: Looks awesome and the power is great! Adjustable power is also awesome but worried about shot count and reliability
HP SS: This seems awesome. BUT I don’t need the semi, its expensive, I’m worried about it being finnicky, and worried about it being an air hog since im using a handpump. Ive seen stuff as low as 20 shots per fill
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You say that you want it mainly for squirrel and rabbit hunting. You will probably want quick follow up shots. Almost every gun you mention will have to be taken off of your shoulder in order to cock and shoot again, regain the target, etc.
I would recommend saving another $150 and buying an AEA HP carbine. They are semi-auto, light, and a blast to shoot.
I just went on an iguana hunt last month. I shot probably 5-6 mags on a single fill, and my partner did too, in 2-3 hours and we killed 40-50 iguanas. At one spot I know we killed at least 20, sometimes firing 5-6 shots without taking the gun off my shoulder. Most of the larger iguanas would take multiple shots to take them down.
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You say that you want it mainly for squirrel and rabbit hunting. You will probably want quick follow up shots. Almost every gun you mention will have to be taken off of your shoulder in order to cock and shoot again, regain the target, etc.
I would recommend saving another $150 and buying an AEA HP carbine. They are semi-auto, light, and a blast to shoot.
I just went on an iguana hunt last month. I shot probably 5-6 mags on a single fill, and my partner did too, in 2-3 hours and we killed 40-50 iguanas. At one spot I know we killed at least 20, sometimes firing 5-6 shots without taking the gun off my shoulder. Most of the larger iguanas would take multiple shots to take them down.
I’ve done most of my hunting with a springer so im used to non-existent follow up shots. The HP carbine looks awesome but I really dont want to spend $650 on a what is essentially a toy for me. Hunting isnt my main purpose…. Its mainly for fun!
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I have three Gen I Marauders and a PRod.
I can afford to buy any air arm I want.
I have three government retirements and..SS
You sound like an armchair commando so I recommend the Benjamin Armada.
I want the Marauders:
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A marauder is a classic but/and solid choice. The avenger gets a lot of praise at its 350$ price tag. I have 3 marauders and a armada and like all of them. I have an aea challenger bullpup and it's a decent gun for the money. Its heavy and has way more power then needed.The marauder has tons of mods and it's nice to have every part for the gun available at a phone call. I'm not familiar with the aea hp guns but it seems that people are liking them. I feel the prod is an low powered gun for what it is. As long as you understand the limits to each these guns you'll be happy. Bad thing is one always leads to another, before you know it you're addicted.
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You sound like an armchair commando so I recommend the Benjamin Armada.
Ya know, I actually find the Armada particularly atrocious lol. It looks like something I’d use in call of duty but not something I’d want in my back yard.
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A marauder is a classic but/and solid choice. The avenger gets a lot of praise at its 350$ price tag. I have 3 marauders and a armada and like all of them. I have an aea challenger bullpup and it's a decent gun for the money. Its heavy and has way more power then needed.The marauder has tons of mods and it's nice to have every part for the gun available at a phone call. I'm not familiar with the aea hp guns but it seems that people are liking them. I feel the prod is an low powered gun for what it is. As long as you understand the limits to each these guns you'll be happy. Bad thing is one always leads to another, before you know it you're addicted.
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Another entry level PCP to ponder is the Avenger series by Air Venturi. Traditional style rifle of bullpup 300-429, regulated and easily adjustable for power.
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Can’t make the choices for you….but think your original assessment (1st post) is pretty close to spot on.
1. Mrod does seem to be more neglected now because it’s not new-tech and has increased in price. Doesn’t make it a bad choice, just not “stylish” (not old enough to be “grandpa’s PCP” but is starting to get treated as if it were).
2. Prod is what it is: a carbine converted pistol or a really long pistol. Short and very light. Box-stock, can work out a good 24-30 shot count, but more like 15 foot pounds per shot. Price has become an issue (it’s also treated as if it was “grandma’s PCP” so far as technical refinement).
3. Challenger seems a very good rifle at a good price. Turns out I’m not a bull pup guy (tried twice), but other people are rabid fans of the breed. Has a fan base, but with limited distribution, would be suspect about repair work in 4 or 5 years. I’d be a real PIA about getting it buttoned up and running right (get it “fixed” while the fixing is easy). So long as you don’t go inside and chew on the parts, generally all that goes wrong with simple PCP’s are o-rings and/or valve stem poppets.
4. HP SS. Really does present well, just don’t have a lot of 1st hand reports from end-users (always a bit suspicious of blog-tester’s who get shipped a well inspected test gun to play with for a week). Ad-copy does show a petty low shot count for the air volume (and they usually BS the ad-copy). Somehow, I’d feel like a consumer-tester...just a feeling, no proof..and likely to get on a first name basis with at the post office from shipping it back and forth.
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We all like the rifles we buy, use, and keep for years. Other air gunners “flit” from one to another, losing interest in their last toy in order to get to the new toy..simply because it’s “new and improved”.
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Well, I didn't like the Marauder .25 when I got one .....must be almost 13-14 years ago ?
Or Marauder pistol,........got one of the first 100 and then got 3 more to try different things with them.
......I sure would not get one now with all the offerings we have out there.
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There's still a very strong Mrod following, and I would never advise against getting one, as it has held its own for years.
But since you mentioned other guns, I will say this the AEA HP SS is a niche gun, and I wouldn't want it to be my only pcp gun.
I.would add another platform that you do not have to the mix, that I would choose over AEA Challenger bullpup, Kral Puncher breaker bullpup.
Out of the box will out perform the AEA with more consistency with regards to shot velocity across the entire shot string.
My Kral in .22 will shoot 72shots between fills, and psi is a very hand pump friendly 2900.
Stock is fine but they can be easily modified DIY if you ever want any more power out of it. None of the other guns you mentioned get close to that shot count, and it also has a power adjuster.
Just something else to consider
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You say that you want it mainly for squirrel and rabbit hunting. You will probably want quick follow up shots. Almost every gun you mention will have to be taken off of your shoulder in order to cock and shoot again, regain the target, etc.
I would recommend saving another $150 and buying an AEA HP carbine. They are semi-auto, light, and a blast to shoot.
I just went on an iguana hunt last month. I shot probably 5-6 mags on a single fill, and my partner did too, in 2-3 hours and we killed 40-50 iguanas. At one spot I know we killed at least 20, sometimes firing 5-6 shots without taking the gun off my shoulder. Most of the larger iguanas would take multiple shots to take them down.
I’ve done most of my hunting with a springer so im used to non-existent follow up shots. The HP carbine looks awesome but I really dont want to spend $650 on a what is essentially a toy for me. Hunting isnt my main purpose…. Its mainly for fun!
Go back and look at your original post on "Please talk me out of this".
Also this quote: "It's right at my budget and I'd have to wait for the .22 to comeback in stock but holy cow it looks fun!"
The carbine is probably lighter, shorter, more maneuverable, and at least 2X the FUN factor of your other choices. Worth the extra $150 for 13" barrel vs 8" and a 350cc bottle. Yeah it takes longer to fill, but you really don't have to fill to 3600 PSI. I fill to 3600 PSI but shoot down to 1800-2000 PSI. Semi's will be an air hog due to the action, nature of the beast.
My second choice would be a Snow Peak (Artemis, SPA) P35 bullpup, side cocking lever is forward just over the trigger finger not at the rear of the gun, light weight, accurate, easily maneuverable.
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Mrod is a great choice. Proven platform. Accurate. Powerful enough. May not be as sexy as the latest offerings, but it is a solid gun.
Don't overlook the Umarex Origin. Especially if you are going to hand pump. I have seen several places selling it for a little over $300 and that includes the pump. Check out the YouTube reviews on it.
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For what you are going to use it for my vote goes to the P'rod...easy carry, easy parts, easy to fill.
The M'rod is for sure one large Moose of a rifle to drag around and a lot more pumping to fill than the P'rod.
Crosman is my favorite for easy to get parts, as far as I have seen most all of the others are at best hit or miss for replacement parts that sooner or later you may need. The Crosmans are also probably also among the simplest to work on/fix.
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Having to make a choice much like yours recently.... I feel your pain.
I ended up choosing the Origin over the others for a few reasons.
It comes with a hand pump and was reputed to be hand pump friendly.
One of my big worries was it'd be too difficult to pump. It ain't. No worries there
It was reputed to shoot slugs accurately. It does but not as accurate as pellets.
Having watched several videos, I expected it to be not as good as "advertised"
Accuracy wise, I'm pleased. It's better than expected.
Some how I was expecting to be able to dial the power down to closer to my springer
levels. It won't. My biggest concern now is it may be too powerful for backyard squirrel
elimination. Just shooting for fun I have a great backstop and it is quieter than expected
but worried about over penetration of the squirrels.
Whichever you decide on you will likely be pleased. Prepare to make another choice in the
not so distant future as it's likely not to be your last air gun
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If you arent too power hungry the fortitude is kinda nice for what it is. 3000psi fill is lower then most guns with the same shot count. Means less pumping. Its accurate to 30yrds. That's the space I have so I can only guess it's good past that. Its 300$ or less depending on the sale you find. Its lightweight and quiet. I'm a fan of more power but this little gun has me happy. Perfect for plinking and small game within 30yrds.
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I have the prod and AEA HPSS plus .30 I’d say if you’re hand pumping the prod is really nice vs the AEA. My prod has its sweet spot from 1500-2500 psi you can imagine how easy hand pumping is and I get 3 magazines worth. I’ve hand pumped my AEA HPSS non plus when I had it and it’s a chore and you only get about 2 magazines if you’re lucky plus you need to pump to 3600 and that’s a chore with a hand pump. With an AEA you’ll need a large HPA tank or a compressor because a small HPA tank will only give you maybe 4-5 full fills.
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I have the prod and AEA HPSS plus .30 I’d say if you’re hand pumping the prod is really nice vs the AEA. My prod has its sweet spot from 1500-2500 psi you can imagine how easy hand pumping is and I get 3 magazines worth. I’ve hand pumped my AEA HPSS non plus when I had it and it’s a chore and you only get about 2 magazines if you’re lucky plus you need to pump to 3600 and that’s a chore with a hand pump. With an AEA you’ll need a large HPA tank or a compressor because a small HPA tank will only give you maybe 4-5 full fills.
Thats good to hear. I really like the HP SS as it seems like it’s just the airgun version of a 10/22 but I really dont want to spend a ton of money on SCBA tanks. Im young, big, and in good shape so I’m not worried about being able to pump, I nust dont want to spend more time pumping than anything else
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Having to make a choice much like yours recently.... I feel your pain.
I ended up choosing the Origin over the others for a few reasons.
A couple questions for you… what are your shots per fill looking like? Also how is the trigger? One thing that really makes me want a a marauder is how great I hear the triggers are. And lastly, how comfortable is the stock? The finger grooves look like theyd be terrible. I know it seems nitpicky but that was one lf the first things i noticed lol
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Go back and look at your original post on "Please talk me out of this".
Also this quote: "It's right at my budget and I'd have to wait for the .22 to comeback in stock but holy cow it looks fun!"
The carbine is probably lighter, shorter, more maneuverable, and at least 2X the FUN factor of your other choices. Worth the extra $150 for 13" barrel vs 8" and a 350cc bottle. Yeah it takes longer to fill, but you really don't have to fill to 3600 PSI. I fill to 3600 PSI but shoot down to 1800-2000 PSI. Semi's will be an air hog due to the action, nature of the beast.
My second choice would be a Snow Peak (Artemis, SPA) P35 bullpup, side cocking lever is forward just over the trigger finger not at the rear of the gun, light weight, accurate, easily maneuverable.
I could afford the $650 no problem but I just don’t want to spend that much right now. A few years ago I never thought I’d spend more than a $150 on a pellet rifle yet here I am. Maybe in a couple ears I’ll re-enter the market with a higher budget. Plus it seems like AEA is constantly upgrading guns so I’m hoping they’ll just get better.
The P35 looks super interesting. I’ve seen SPA mentioned on hear but haven’t looked much into them. What are the best American retailers?
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I have the prod and AEA HPSS plus .30 I’d say if you’re hand pumping the prod is really nice vs the AEA. My prod has its sweet spot from 1500-2500 psi you can imagine how easy hand pumping is and I get 3 magazines worth. I’ve hand pumped my AEA HPSS non plus when I had it and it’s a chore and you only get about 2 magazines if you’re lucky plus you need to pump to 3600 and that’s a chore with a hand pump. With an AEA you’ll need a large HPA tank or a compressor because a small HPA tank will only give you maybe 4-5 full fills.
Thats good to hear. I really like the HP SS as it seems like it’s just the airgun version of a 10/22 but I really dont want to spend a ton of money on SCBA tanks. Im young, big, and in good shape so I’m not worried about being able to pump, I nust dont want to spend more time pumping than anything else
For sure !! With the AEA hand pumping is doable just not fun plus it wears you and your pump out fast. I’d get a p rod and have fun. Marauder rifle I feel you’ll spend more time pumping than shooting because of the bigger air cylinder 200 cc vs 65 cc on prod Eventually you’ll get a tank but until then prod is the best way to go with a hand pump. You can pump to 3000 psi and you’ll get a ton of shots but with a wide spread but for close range it doesn’t matter. Hope this helps. Mine is bone stock with the exception of a folding stock and it’s a tack driver
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I take a KRAL NP3 over a Marauder rifle or pistol everyday of the week.
(https://www.pyramydair.com/images/thumbnails/PY-4774_Kral-Puncher-NP03-PCP_1557497339_d_400x300.jpg)
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I bought my AEA HP 25 cal carbine in late June last year, It's probably one of the most fun guns I've got, I cast my own 34.5 grain pellets for it and the gun simply loves them, it doesn't jamb ever, I have shot all kinds of squirrels with it as well. It's a very well built gun for sure.
(https://i.imgur.com/SJBCzSc.jpg)
I've shot two squirrels within 5 seconds of each other out on the state land that I hunt with this gun 8)
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I can get well over 60 shots per fill but it has a sweet spot. Between 3050 PSI and 1900 PSI. Three 10 shot magazines of very consistent
shooting. After that I will do two sessions of 35 strokes on the pump to fill it back to the 3050 PSI. This is with CPs.
The trigger isn't the best out there but I was expecting worse and again very pleasantly surprised. It's said to be adjustable and while I've
tinkered with my share of triggers, really see no need on this one.
The stock shoulders nicely it is solid and well balanced. You're right about the finger grooves. I am considering sanding those down.
I'd think there are some the grooves will fit their hand well and like them but they feel a bit awkward to me. It's not so awkward
that I'll do it for sure but you asked and that's how it feels to me.
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The P35 looks super interesting. I’ve seen SPA mentioned on hear but haven’t looked much into them. What are the best American retailers?
The only supplier of SPA, Artemis, etc. is Krale. Some members say their shipping is faster than US Suppliers.
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Since you seem to be thinking about this in terms of the ratio of pumping to shooting, remember that pumping is just a means of putting energy into the gun. The more shots the gun takes and the higher the energy those shots are, the more energy it will use - and thus the more pumps it will take.
Of course the efficiency of the gun has an impact, and also the fill range matters too - it is more work to pump at higher pressures than lower ones, and generally speaking we can get more energy out of higher pressure fills once the gun is there.
But it is all a balance. If you want less pumping, you'll probably want to pick a gun or set things up on the lower power side of things.
I started in the PCP space with Marauders over ten years ago, as they were the best thing going then. I still have them today - they don't get shot as much as my more advanced ones like the Huben, but they still have their purpose and use.
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Kris
Once you enter the "Darkside" there is no getting out! You will at some point, want to shoot more and pump less. Not a matter of conditioning, just a matter of convenience and time. You will also shoot more often and a lot more pellets. Think in terms of style, function & purpose. Many people end up with an inexpensive compressor even though they started out pumping. I would get the gun that you want, then start saving for a compressor. It's a game changer. Good luck & welcome to the "Darkside".
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My first PCP was a Prod. It has the best trigger of my 3 PCPs. It is accurate (likes H&N FTT copper plated best but shoots cheap Crosman domed and HP well). I made my own stock but I used the one it came with initially and with a block of wood screwed to the comb it worked fine. With a scope mine weighs 5 lbs. Nice and light. But I lost 2 squirrels hit with solid body shots at the stock settings. 13-15 fpe. I tuned it up to 16-18 fpe and only lost one of the next 11. It was a head shot that twitched itself into a rotted area of the tree it fell from. Getting the power up required drilling out the transfer port and turning up the hammer spring. I also did a B-staley which increased the shot count (O-rings over the valve stem to eliminate hammer bounce) but required a stronger hammer spring. I get about 30 good shots at about 17 fpe. But if you do not do the B-staley you'll have more like 20 shots. It is by far the easiest to had pump. That is all I did with it until I got my Avenger.
My second was an Avenger in 25 fpe. Far more powerful but a lot more pumps to fill it up (200-300 versus 20-30). Comparitively easy to tune due to the regulator. You have to fire a bunch of shots on an unregulated gun to understand the shot string. On a regulated gun you can just fire a few tweaking the hammer spring up and down to get your setting. No need to fire an entire string. But it is hugely long. And very noisy (over 100db versus about 85db for the Prod). Needs a moderator for backyard use. The stock feels cheap but reportedly the bullpup doesn't. Or there is a wood stock version. If you set a 22 caliber at a reasonable plinking/small game power level around 20-25 fpe you should get a bunch of shots per fill - there is a good review on youtube by AEAC that would give you specifics. I hand pumped it to 4000 psi a few times but it is a lot of work. 3500 is more reasonable but that reduces shot count, of course.
My latest is a Snow Peak (formerly known as Artemis) P35. It is also 25. It came set at about 30 fpe and I got about 70 shots on the intial fills. But the hammer spring was set a little low for the regulator setting. When I turned that up power increased to about 35 fpe and shot count is down to about 50. I may turn the regulator down. 30 fpe is plenty for squirrels, even in a 25. 70 shots per 250 bar fill is nice. I've never hand pumped it but the air chamber is 265 cc so it would take a bunch of pumps (Avenger is 180, Prod is 66). I want to buy one in 22 but Krale says they won't have them before mid-2022. I don't think it would be a good first PCP, however. There is almost no information in the manual it comes with. You have to buy it from Krale in the Netherlands. They are fine but there is no warranty. It comes with a complete set of O-rings and tools but you are pretty much on your own - without instructions. Mine has worked fine and I kind of know how PCPs work now but for a first PCP it could be too much. It is short (under 30 inches), light (5.2 lbs), and quiet (70-75 db with a simple mod to the shroud).
There are so many PCPs you kind of need to decide if you want a conventional rifle or a bullpup and regulated or not. I like bullpups but they force the scope to be high which means your POI will be low for the first ~20 yards. They can also be a little harder to shoot small groups from the bench with. I shoot from my left shoulder so the flush magazine of the P35 and forward cocking lever were important to me. None of my PCPs has a nice wood stock. The Turkish Crosmans are far prettier. If you shoot right handed they could be a good choice for you.
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Let me kindly remind you of the fortitude again. Pumping would be comparable to the prod. Shot count around 60 per fill. Plenty of power for small game to bout 30-40 yrds. 300$ or less depending on vendor. Its light weight. I have put a gen1 mrod trigger on mine but the stock trigger can be made good with simple mods. Crosman parts are a phone call away should you need anything. Putting it in a Boyd's stock really boosts it to the next level of gun.
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Kris
Once you enter the "Darkside" there is no getting out! You will at some point, want to shoot more and pump less. Not a matter of conditioning, just a matter of convenience and time. You will also shoot more often and a lot more pellets. Think in terms of style, function & purpose. Many people end up with an inexpensive compressor even though they started out pumping. I would get the gun that you want, then start saving for a compressor. It's a game changer. Good luck & welcome to the "Darkside".
I'll add that this really applies x10 if you are in any way a "tinkerer" . . . pumping our guns up from zero takes most of the fun out of messing with them, especially since some "trial and error" tinkering can lead to several such events in a day. If you want to get into playing around with valving, then you are going to want a way to fill that does not involve pumping . . . eventually - you don't need to go there immediately, but it will make things much better if you are anything other than an "air it up and shoot it but never mess with it" kind of shooter.
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Alrighty so thanks to everyone who commented and gave advice! I actually decided to get a completely different gun after someone recommended it, an Umarex Origin. I know it's different than what I wanted to begin with but after stacking special offers from my discounts through work, paypal coupons, debit card offers, and a coupon from academy, I was able to get the Origin (with pump) for $249. I figured I wouldn't be able to beat that and for literally half the price of my other options, it was a deal I couldn't refuse. It should be in Monday and I'm super excited!
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Great choice, you've been suckered into the DARKSIDE. Don't say you weren't warned. Take the money you saved and buy that Yong Heng compressor now, before you start looking like a body builder. ;D Everyone here on the DARKSIDE is an enabler, don't believe me just ask them for more advice on a purchase. ;D
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I'm not disappointed with my Origin by a long shot but having it less than two months, sure like to see more feed back from others who've made same choice. Hope you'll stick around and tell us what you learn.
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I'm not disappointed with my Origin by a long shot but having it less than two months, sure like to see more feed back from others who've made same choice. Hope you'll stick around and tell us what you learn.
Have you tried using the "Search" function? I'm sure there are some threads somewhere. Also Youtube is a great source of information sometimes.
Or you can post questions about what information your looking for.
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Great choice, you've been suckered into the DARKSIDE. Don't say you weren't warned. Take the money you saved and buy that Yong Heng compressor now, before you start looking like a body builder. ;D Everyone here on the DARKSIDE is an enabler, don't believe me just ask them for more advice on a purchase. ;D
I go to the gym pretty frequently but i hope pumping is still as hard as people claim. That way when I just go outside and shoot soke stuff I’ll feel a little less lazy!
But I’ll probably buy a tank since I drive past 2 paintball parks on my daily commute
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Great choice, you've been suckered into the DARKSIDE. Don't say you weren't warned. Take the money you saved and buy that Yong Heng compressor now, before you start looking like a body builder. ;D Everyone here on the DARKSIDE is an enabler, don't believe me just ask them for more advice on a purchase. ;D
I go to the gym pretty frequently but i hope pumping is still as hard as people claim. That way when I just go outside and shoot soke stuff I’ll feel a little less lazy!
But I’ll probably buy a tank since I drive past 2 paintball parks on my daily commute
Make sure you ask them about "dry" air. I recently saw a post on the YH FB page. The guy was a certified SCBA tank inspector and rebuilt compressors also. He said that Paintball Shops were the worst possible place to fill tanks at in his experience. He had visually seen all kinds of "&^^&" inside tanks that he had inspected on their 5 year re-certifications. They don't care about air quality like dive shops.