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NOE has decided to take my revised pellet design to Group Buy in .30 cal.... http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2360.0.html (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2360.0.html)
(http://noebulletmoldpix.com/bullet_drawings/NewGroupBuys/pellets/30Pellet/N.O.E._Bullet_Moulds_300-59-RF_HB__Sketch.Jpg)
It will be available only in their "RG" base pin system, and 3 sets of pins of different depths will be supplied.... allowing you to cast 3 different weights, of 59, 62 and 66 gr. (shown).... The moulds are a nose pour design.... Please note that the skirt is 0.308", but the head is 0.300", just like JSBs.... The length will fit in the AirGunLab modified MRod magazines, and Flex mags....
2 and 4 cavity moulds will be available, in brass or aluminum.... Those signing up will get a 15% discount upon production.... 10 orders are required before the tooling will be made....
Bob
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I'm in for a 2 cavity !!!!!!
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I'm in for a 2 cavity...I think. I've never cast before and have been contemplating the .30 bbt RG 2, I even have a WTB add in the classified section, but think this may be a better option.
Will these need to be sized like slugs?
What else will I need besides a lead pot, ladle and handles?
Is there anything else I should know before I commit to the group buy?
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Well, I decided to jump in with both feet and went for the RG4.
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No sizing should be required.... they should be as consistent as swaged pellets, if you do your part casting.... Just like all Diabolo pellets, the nose is designed to barely engrave in the rifling, and the skirt is a bit oversize to crush down for a tight seal.... Diameters were taken from the JSB .30 cals.... Use a pure lead, or not more than 40:1 (2.5% tin).... you want the pellets soft....
Bob
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No sizing should be required.... they should be as consistent as swaged pellets, if you do your part casting.... Just like all Diabolo pellets, the nose is designed to barely engrave in the rifling, and the skirt is a bit oversize to crush down for a tight seal.... Diameters were taken from the JSB .30 cals.... Use a pure lead, or not more than 40:1 (2.5% tin).... you want the pellets soft....
Bob
Thanks Bob! I guessed no sizing, that why I went with the 4 cavity. I saved money not needing sizing dies or a press.
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WOW!!! Makes me want t call P.A. and change my Rainstorm II order from .25 to .30. 8)
Knife
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WOW!!! Makes me want t call P.A. and change my Rainstorm II order from .25 to .30. 8)
Knife
Do it, the .30 are really, really good :)
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I just put my name on the list for a RG2 in aluminum.
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I signed up for a RG4. Recently picked up a bottom pour Lee pot, the 66gr is just what my Cothran powered .30 Mrod needs!!!! Can't Wait to pour some now!
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If we get 1 more guy in the next 3 hours, we will get our 10 required orders in just one day.... :o 8) :o
Bob
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just added my reply im in for a 4 cavity.
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Meh I can’t order one till they send me a bloody email
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I think thats number 10 ?
Happy New Year indeed!!
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Well done, guys!....
Bob
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man I made it to the party late ::)....but I just put in for a 4 cavity ;D my carnivore .30 is dancing around the room ! ;D if these are accurate I will be casting thousands of them ;D heck I am going to start looking at more guns in .30 :o ... just think how many pellets you can cast with a big bar of lead ! ;D
this right here is a big BIG ! time game changer ! if it proves out to be good ...
Bob i like the design ...hope it works like that .40 cal you did for accurate that i cast flat nose 196g smasher's :o for my Badger at around 900fps
HITS REAL HARD ! VERY ACCURATE ! i was shooting some of those yesterday man do they hit the metal spinners with authority !
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This Group Buy has moved to Last Call.... http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2360.0.html (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php/topic,2360.0.html)
Get your name on the list now or pay full price....
Bob
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will these fit in the Ataman magazines ?
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Length overall is 0.450".... no idea how long a pellet that mag. will accommodate....
Bob
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If we get 1 more guy in the next 3 hours, we will get our 10 required orders in just one day.... :o 8) :o
Bob
ok I'm in!
Thanks
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There are currently 16 orders, and the buy is at LAST CALL.... You need to add your name to the list at....
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2360.30 (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2360.30)
.... before they close the buy to get the 15% discount....
Bob
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There are currently 16 orders, and the buy is at LAST CALL.... You need to add your name to the list at....
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2360.30 (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2360.30)
.... before they close the buy to get the 15% discount....
Bob
Well they don't want my business looks like as I can't register
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There are currently 16 orders, and the buy is at LAST CALL.... You need to add your name to the list at....
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2360.30 (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2360.30)
.... before they close the buy to get the 15% discount....
Bob
Well they don't want my business looks like as I can't register
It took me several times ... then it finally let me register .... I would try again ....
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NOE are preparing new website/store so there could be some sort of bugs/problems. It could take few times to get it through
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Rsterne how do you think they would shoot out of a carnivore
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I'm hoping they will shoot very similar to the JSBs.... they look a lot alike, except for the Meplat necessary for the nose pour....
Bob
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There are currently 16 orders, and the buy is at LAST CALL.... You need to add your name to the list at....
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2360.30 (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2360.30)
.... before they close the buy to get the 15% discount....
Bob
Well they don't want my business looks like as I can't register
It took me several times ... then it finally let me register .... I would try again ....
Ok, I'll give it another shot, but I've no response from them on an email either, and if the date for the discount is over, I'm wondering whether the frustration would be worth it.
8)
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Anyone know how long after they go into last call before they typically go into production? I'm getting low on pellets and I'm trying to decide if I'm going to just wait for the mold or order more. Thanks!
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When the buy goes into Last Call, that is when they order the tooling.... When the tooling comes in, that design is "Closed" and put in line for time on the mill.... The time varies, but on average it seems to be about a month between hitting last call and the moulds hitting the store.... I would think any time now it should be Closed.... Perhaps the continued high interest (now at 19) is the reason for the longer Last Call period, to allow all who want to get in on it to get on the list?....
Bob
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Thank you, Bob!
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This Group Buy is now closed.... I will post when it hits the NOE Store, you can buy it then, Al always seems to make extras....
Bob
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Bob thanks for all the information and time you put into helping all of us in getting these molds and technical information you are a wealth of information my friend.
Thank You Sir
Terry
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once you guys all get to casting maybe i can just order/buy some from one of you and see how well they work or if they fit in my Ataman ...
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From Al at NOE, posted in the Closed Group Buy thread....
Moulds are ran.
RG pins are in the works
Should finish them up mid next week.
Bullet maker, maker
Al Nelson
Not long now !!!
Bob
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C’mon Al, been waiting long time.
Bob is this gonna be the answer for .30cal heavy pellets?
Gene
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Gene, all I can tell you is I have done the best job I can....
Bob
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Thanks Bob, I know you try your best...you are good man. Venturing out on the cutting edge takes courage and a little outa the box reasoning. Hoping this pellet in what ever weight works best puts the smack down on Beldings ground squirrels here in California out to about 150 yds. We have to be careful here as the farmers who love us have irrigation pipes that are susceptible to pellet/bullet strikes. Lol...meaning leaky pipes...
Thank you so much for your efforts to bring air power to the fore...salute!
Gene
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The moulds for this pellet are done and in the store.... http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=374_378_532 (http://noebulletmolds.com/NV/index.php?cPath=374_378_532)
If you participated in the Group Buy, you should get your Discount Code shortly....
Bob
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Does this mean the store will be carrying them/ finished product for guys that done cast to just purchase soon and try ? im waiting for the info from Ataman on my LW 30 barrel to get exact sizing and twist etc. to see what will work best . They claim the 44JSB runs at 984 fps . So i should have enough power to push some of these bullets well enough ...
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NOE made more moulds than were requested in the Group Buy.... so there are extra moulds in the NOE Store available to purchase.... NOE does NOT sell bullets, only moulds....
Bob
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bob thanks for the clarification . Maybe NSA will end up selling them at some point ? !
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Got mine on the way...thanks for all your work Bob!
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Got my mold ordered. Thank you Mr. Sterne.
I am excited to cast these asap!!!!!!!!
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Would like to hear some reports on how these are shooting.
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Ordered. Thank you for your hard work, Bob! I'm expecting great things from these.
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Got my mold a few days ago, had a chance to cast a few today. Mold needs a few cycles of casting to break in, but so far its working well. Small dipping method seems best pouring method, bottom pour is too much volume for the small cavities. Hoping for better weather so I can get a good casting session in soon.
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I like the look of that pellet,.....could I buy 100 or so from you to test on my Storm ?
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I like the look of that pellet,.....could I buy 100 or so from you to test on my Storm ?
+1 as I would like to try some as well
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Is that picture a .30 next to a .177 or .22 ?
well Eric let us help pay for the metal to brake those molds in ...
can i order some also ... should be easy shipping to Napa california ...
ill take 100 to 300 , wtvr makes you happier to deal with while breaking in ... I want to try them in my Ataman
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This pic was a cast 59gr .30 pellet next to a AA 10.3gr .177
I haven't had a good chance to cast other than this 1 test session. Weather hasn't been right. I am a noob when it comes to casting, lemme see how well they turn out after a few runs. I dunno about selling any, but I will think about it?
This batch was a tad oversize, they were a hard push to feed on my setup. I think the mold plates need a few more cycles of heating to match up perfectly. I did weigh 10 random pellets, they were all within a half grain spread !!
I will be concentrating on my .300 Mrod in the next few weeks, I'll get some cast asap.
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I cast about 50 keepers of the 66 grain yesterday. I picked up a hot plate last week. It made a huge difference. You have got to keep the mold hot for the skirts to fill.
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I cast about 50 keepers of the 66 grain yesterday. I picked up a hot plate last week. It made a huge difference. You have got to keep the mold hot for the skirts to fill.
We tried pre- heating on a wood stove, didnt help much.......
I hope to cast a little tomorrow, maybe use a heatgun?
Ive ordered a hotplate and infared thermo from Amazon. In the long run casting .30 pellets will be cheaper than JSB 😅
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We tried pre- heating on a wood stove, didnt help much.......
I hope to cast a little tomorrow, maybe use a heatgun?
Ive ordered a hotplate and infared thermo from Amazon. In the long run casting .30 pellets will be cheaper than JSB 😅
It worked well for me. I still need to pick up a thermometer and some lead of known alloy. But, it is definitely nice not worrying about how much each shot is costing me!
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If anyone with any of these molds gets to feelin FRISKY .... id be happy to help make your molds pay for themselves and buy up some of the pellets you make so i can try running them through my Ataman. Supposedly ( yes i know i need a chrony) the Atman spits those JSB 44's out at 984 so im looking to try these heavier pellets and see what results i get . Though i will say that within the 50 to 60 yards i have tested the JSB at the Atman seems VERY accurate. BUT im ready to try running the HEAVIER pellet through it.
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We tried pre- heating on a wood stove, didnt help much.......
I hope to cast a little tomorrow, maybe use a heatgun?
Ive ordered a hotplate and infared thermo from Amazon. In the long run casting .30 pellets will be cheaper than JSB 😅
It worked well for me. I still need to pick up a thermometer and some lead of known alloy. But, it is definitely nice not worrying about how much each shot is costing me!
Ive been lucky with my lead supply. A few friends are saving pellets from their indoor traps. My casting mentor then melts it all up, then mixes to 2.5% tin
Helps it flow into the mold, fills the skirts perfectly. We may test some 5% too, but wanna break in the mold before measuring for dropped size with 2.5%
Gonna cast some tonite, nice wearher here today in Ohio.
Id love to have someone help pay for my mold, but I'm not a buisness, this is my hobby. I don't even have enough cast for meself 😄
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I received my mold and broke it in I then cast up a 100 or so using to different pins I got 59.5-60gr and 63-63.7gr shot them through my Warp 30 some were hard to chamber but we're pretty accurate at 25yards had the opportunity to shoot another batch yesterday they were very hard to chamber in the Warp and spiraled really bad when I shot them at 50 yards. I had shot some of the 1st batch in my Troy Manny QB78 the first batch chambered easy in it an grouped well at 25 yards I'll try some of the second batch in it today and see how they do in it.
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Update on my post I tried the second batch pellets in my TM 30 they chambered easy and shot well at 50yds I think they'd have been tighter if I had a different scope on it, the Hawke deer pass has a circle cross hair. I tried them in the Warp again still hard to chamber them an accuracy wasn't very good, I then shot JSB 44.75 they chambered easy and shot a one hole group at 50yds. I used my caliphers on them an the cast are .07 longer than the JSB
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Sounds like the chamber in the WARP is too short/tight and/or too short a leade for the heavier/longer pellets.... Can you post a group from 50 yards with the TM 30....
Bob
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Bob here's the groups from the TM 30 at 50 yards the top right is from the first batch I cast the bottom left center is from the second batch.
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I finally had a chance to pour some pellets today.... Al surprised me by sending everyone a fourth set of pins to make a flat base, 73 gr. pellet as well.... I cast all four versions, and here is what they look like.... Virtually all of the solid base pellets were great, but about half the skirted pellets got tossed back into the pot because the back edge of the skirt had a slight notch from improper fill-out (regardless of the skirt depth).... This was despite running the pot at over 800*F, preheating the mold, and using a fast tempo while casting.... It looks like these pellets will take a while to learn the best technique.... but I'm sure I can reduce the reject rate with practice....
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/Bullet%20Casting/NOE%2030%20cal%20Pellets_zps6857okt2.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/rsterne/media/Bullet%20Casting/NOE%2030%20cal%20Pellets_zps6857okt2.jpg.html)
I used 40:1 lead/tin (2.5% tin) and got the following weights....
Deep base pin = 59.3 gr.
Medium base pin = 62.9 gr.
Shallow base pin = 65.7 gr.
Flat base pin = 73.3 gr.
I tethered my .30 cal BRod at 2900 psi, and adjusted the velocity so that the 59 gr. pellet was just under 1000 fps, and got the following for a 5 shot average.... I shot some 50.2 gr. JSBs for comparison.... The chambering effort for the 59 gr. was no different than the JSB, but as the weight increased and the bolt probe pushed the pellet deeper into the throat of the chamber, the effort went up a bit.... However, even the 73 gr. solid chambered in my TJ's barrel just fine, and at 0.301" groove it is tighter than most .30 cal airgun barrels.... so I don't anticipate anyone having chambering issues....
59 gr. = 987 fps (128 FPE)
63 gr. = 944 fps (124 FPE)
66 gr. = 955 fps (133 FPE)
73 gr. = 881 fps (126 FPE)
50 gr. JSB = 1039 fps (120 FPE)
For some reason the 63 gr. (medium base pin) pellets were a bit down on velocity compared to the 66 gr.... The bolt probe in this gun is 0.109", so smaller than the bottom of the recess in the deepest skirt, so the loading depths should progress in a logical order, with the flat base loading the deepest and the lightest pellet the shallowest, so I don't think that is the reason.... This leaves me to conclude that the shallowest base (the 66 gr. pellet), and of course the solid, flat base (73 gr.) are not obturating in the same way, and have less friction as they travel down the bore.... I'm sure the are sealing fine, because the back of the skirt is 0.308", and the head is 0.301".... but it is likely that the deep and medium base pellet skirts are blowing out a bit from the air pressure (as is normal for pellets) which is adding some bore drag.... I can't think of any other reason that the 66 gr. pellet should shoot faster than the 63 gr.... but it did so consistently in this gun....
My backstop inside my shop is only 20 ft. away, but I can usually spot pellets that aren't promising because groups don't just leave one ragged hole at that distance.... In this case, all 5 pellets tested, the JSB and all 4 weights of the NOE pellets, left just one ragged hole about 1/2" OD, with no consistent variation between the different weights.... I am hopeful they will provide good accuracy at range.... but is it very likely that others will get a chance to find out long before I do.... The nice thing is that by tethering my BRod at 2900 psi I have enough power to drive any of these weights into the mid 900s, even the 73 gr. solid....
Bob
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I've had a similar experience with the skirts not filling out. But I'm new to casting and still trying to figure things out.
I did not have the same luck with the flat base. Mine would not chamber in my TJ's barrel. I might try them again when my casting gets more consistent.
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I have a relatively long chamber and leade.... I can see chambering being harder if the chamber is too short, or the leade not a shallow enough angle....
Bob
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Has anyone tryed this round in a 298/308 barrel??
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I realise this post is a couple of months old, but I am looking for results in accuracy. Much talk about the molds, not much on accuracy. Need info!!! ;)
Knife
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Wondering the same... Got a .30 Cricket, Royale Boss and modified M10 I'd like to feed these to... all running under 90fpe with the regular JSB 30 cals. Curious how these might do.
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I've been fighting some issues with my .30 rifle. But when it was shooting straight, I was getting 1 hole groups with the 64 grain pins at 25 yds. I haven't had a chance to try them at distance yet.
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I realise this post is a couple of months old, but I am looking for results in accuracy. Much talk about the molds, not much on accuracy. Need info!!! ;)
Knife
How about a little bigger group than JSB @ 50... Fx Crown pushing them around the point where fpe equals weight in grains (671 fps) initial testing By Swede..
http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2482.0 (http://noebulletmolds.com/smf/index.php?topic=2482.0)
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I finally got a chance to shoot these pellets at range today, using the BRod setup described above in Reply $59.... I also shot a group with the 44.8 gr. JSBs and the 50.2 gr. JSBs as well, at the same tune.... Pretty high velocities (almost supersonic with the 44.8 gr), but I wanted to compare the NOE pellets to the JSBs at the same 120-130 FPE tune.... Here are the targets at 50 yards....
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/BRod%20Project/JSB%2045%20gr%2050%20yd_zpshdvvdsd6.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/rsterne/media/BRod%20Project/JSB%2045%20gr%2050%20yd_zpshdvvdsd6.jpg.html)
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/BRod%20Project/JSB%2050%20gr%2050%20yd_zpse8xvf97r.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/rsterne/media/BRod%20Project/JSB%2050%20gr%2050%20yd_zpse8xvf97r.jpg.html)
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/BRod%20Project/NOE%2059%20gr%2050%20yd_zpskf4txglq.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/rsterne/media/BRod%20Project/NOE%2059%20gr%2050%20yd_zpskf4txglq.jpg.html)
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/BRod%20Project/NOE%2063%20gr%2050%20yd_zpsdaexheqo.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/rsterne/media/BRod%20Project/NOE%2063%20gr%2050%20yd_zpsdaexheqo.jpg.html)
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/BRod%20Project/NOE%2066%20gr%2050%20yd_zpsdwp2fa6z.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/rsterne/media/BRod%20Project/NOE%2066%20gr%2050%20yd_zpsdwp2fa6z.jpg.html)
(http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo221/rsterne/BRod%20Project/NOE%2073%20gr%2050%20yd_zpso5cmbwug.jpg) (http://s378.photobucket.com/user/rsterne/media/BRod%20Project/NOE%2073%20gr%2050%20yd_zpso5cmbwug.jpg.html)
When this gun is tuned down to about 90 FPE, it shoots the 44.8 gr. JSBs a bit better than the 50.2 gr., so the larger group for the 44.8 gr. is probably due to the high velocity.... As you can see, the 63 gr. (middle weight) NOE pellet shot a little tighter than the 50.2 gr. JSBs, which really pleases me.... The 59 gr. NOE was second, with the 44.8 gr. JSBs third.... The 66 gr. NOE started to open up, and the 73 gr. was really starting to scatter, but of course it really isn't a skirted pellet, the base is completely flat, it was just an experiment.... I shot some 7 shot groups at 100 yards, and I could see the 73 gr. spiralling, and only 5 of 7 shots hit the paper.... The 66 gr. shot a 4.5" group at 100, but the 59 gr. and 63 gr. at 100 yards shot similar size groups at 2-2.5" in a gusty 2-10 mph wind, with no holdoff to allow for the wind....
All I all, I am VERY pleased with the NOE pellets.... In this gun, using a TJ's barrel, the two lighter pellets were definitely superior, so I will cast more of those to experiment with.... I don't know if the change in group size is a velocity affect, with the 63 gr. running in a sweet spot.... or if there is a stability difference between the different weights.... Certainly a different gun may have a different weight preference.... Like with any other pellet, your gun will tell you what it likes and doesn't.... but I can say comfortably that these new NOE pellets work great, and are certainly worth a try if your gun has the power to use them....
Bob
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Wow those 63 grainers shined no doubt, right up there with the JSB's. Not too shabby at all Bob, I'm still keeping my fingers crossed for a .22 NOE mold in the diablo style like the .30 and .25.
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so could the 63g flier be called on you.. ;) some of my fliers I can call on me as soon as the trigger breaks... some I can not...
I personally do not think a .22 pellet can be done... but a hollow base semi wad or a mini modern Pritchett inspired..? with a seperate operation crimped waist..?
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Any of the fliers could be me, Kirby....
Bob
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Yep, looking good,
I felt that Mould had real potential when I tested unperfect pellets on my Storms,......so I bough me one :)
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wow! Much better than I expected. 8)
60 and 63 look to be very promising indeed! ;)
Sure hope I can get similar performance from the .25 NOE Cast Pellets.
Starting to pace the floor now, anxiously await the arrival of the Mole. No tracking # so no Idea where it is.
Knife
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I still haven't received notice of any packages coming from Crosman yet either, the Mrod needs parts. I order two stock springs in the order one I'll probably cut down some to start with because with the SS valve it takes very little to open. Also 2 transfer ports, one that I'm going to drill out to .160.
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My new .30 Flex longbarrel really likes these pellets. I'm casting them at 59gns and they're giving me hole-touching groups at 50 yards. I'm very impressed, especially considering I don't find my casting efforts with them all that pretty to look at. I'm shooting them at 115fpe.
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Great, Travis.... thanks for the report.... I assume that would be the 26" twist TJ's barrel?....
Bob
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My invoice from Jim says the barrel is 24” 1:16. I’m not sure if that’s a misprint or whether he used something other than a TJ (or does the .30 TJ come in different twist rates?).
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The .30 cal airgun barrel is a 26" twist (unless Jim has had another mandrel made for his own use).... TJ's does make .308 cal PB barrels in several twists, from 8" to 20"....
Bob
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When Jim is back I'll ask him. I think he originally had this gun built as a pellet shooter so I suspect its the .300 barrel.
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Jim confirmed my barrel is a .30 TJ but it 1:16 and that TJ does in fact have 1:16 .30 liners available.
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my fx bobcat 2 accurately shoots the 59 grains. Wish I found this thread earlier, I made and shot close to 700 66 grains and they were all over the place >:( I thought I was going insane.
I think the accuracy is due to the expansion of the skirt(heavier bullet=less skirt) and the ability for the rifling to twist the bullet due to the expansion. Other's have mentioned this but it took me half a year to figure this out :D thanks gta
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Seems most guns like the 59 or 63 gr.... I don't think the skirt on the 66 gr. expands like the longer ones do, but the skirt is enough oversize that shouldn't matter.... I think the accuracy difference is more likely the more forward CG position on the lighter pellets.... but that is really just a guess....
Bob
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The skirts were too oversized. They were so rigid that it took a lot of force to ram the pellet into the chamber. This caused deformities as well with the soft lead. The thinner skirt more easily conforms and requires less force.
Might be a few things, cg and skirt at least for my gun
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The OD of the skirt and the thickness is the same, however with the shorter pin the skirt becomes less flexible at the back edge....
Bob
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Bob I don't have a .30 however with the 25 Hunter mold with my DAR25 I seem to be getting tighter shot groups at a longer distance, but that's only a grain and a half difference. In reality I think the slug bore, and twist of the barrel probably has the most to do with it, now it would be nice if I knew what the barrel slugs out at ??? I've never checked.
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Hey does anyone know if these pellets should be lubed? Im finding freshly casted pellets oxidize very quickly. How toxic is this oxidation btw? Perhaps the oxidation is reduced with lube. Would the lube help push the pellets down the barrel given the imperfections in the skirts and molding process?
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Turning dull grey, not not toxic. White power on surface, yes toxic.
A 1-2% tin mix will improve this grateley. Lube to what the bbl likes. Wax lubes will stave off the white oxidation for a long time. ;)
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I left a tin of pellets out on the state land that I hunt, they were still on a log from about 6 months before throughout the winter, they definitely went into the pot.
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.... I did more testing and I dont think my 59 grain pellets are shooting accurately. I would really appreciate some help with this one to get my pellets shooting straight.
Yesterday I compared how JSBs exact diablo pellets shot vs my 59 grains at 50 yards. I was hitting 1 inch groups with my jsbs and I was completely missing my target at 50 yards with my 59 grain pellets, many fliers.. I saw pieces of bark fly off the side of the dam tree way off target very frustrating.. a few landing but nothing consistent.. :( . When I tried sighting in before I thought my pellets were accurate I was shooting at around 30 yards and even then to be honest I was getting 3 inch groups at best. After shooting the jsbs at 50 yards and seeing the consistent grouping I knew something is wrong here.
There are a lot of variables but because the NOE pellets are just enlarged version of the JSBs I highly doubt that my fx bobcat 2 will never be able to shoot these accurately. I really think it could boil down to a few factors here.. please please please help me here...
1) The pellet is not being cast correctly. I cast these pellets hot BUT I do very little to preheat my mold so many of the skirts are deformed which I try to avoid shooting but for the pellets that look ok I think internally the pellets are not uniform. I got a cheap hotplate and will try another batch of pellets to see if this will help create more consistent batches.
2) My gun might prefer the 63 grain. I have yet to cast 63 grain pellets so only one way to find out... will cast soon. Maybe having a little more weight in the back will improve the COG and flight stability.
3) My biggest hunch is that my gun isnt shooting fast enough. As rsterne pointed out he is shooting these pellets at 120-130 FPE for the 59 and 63 grain pellets which comes out to 950 FPS. My guess is that due the irregularities in my pellet casting any bad pellets by the time they reach to 40 yards or more begin to tumble. Plus the 59 grain pellets moving at 830 fps... just a guess.. are basically being lobbed at the target at 50 yards.. whereas at 950 fps the trajectory fairly flat. Im going to borrow a chronograph to test this out. I bet this is reason why I cant shoot accurately.
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My question is why on earth would you not do the required pre-heat of the molds. It simply HAS to be done. The mold need to between 380 and 425 to cas properly. There is no way around it other than putting the first 20 or so LOT of cast back into the pot. It is going to take at least 20 pours to get the mold working any other way And probably more.
Use either a hot plate on med. or dip the corner in the melt for 25-30 seconds to bring up to heat. Also put the tip of the spru plate in the melt to heat it for another 25 sec. The hot plate is safer, as it can't warp the mold. ;)
Knife
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The hot olate is safer, as it can't warp the mold. ;)
Knife
You got it Knife! And, uh, "some guy I know" had his mold slip in the melt and made quite a mess, so I heard 8)
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The hot plate is safer, as it can't warp the mold. ;)
Knife
You got it Knife! And, uh, "some guy I know" had his mold slip in the melt and made quite a mess, so I heard 8)
LOL! I've NEVER had that happen. ::)
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I thought I had it situated good, but it slid down into the melt. The mold was on it's last leg anyway so it went away ;D
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I was using a hot airgun to try and preheat my mold but the heat left the mold so quick that it didnt have any effect probably. After casting 100 or so pellets and I got down to a rhyme yes that cast better but all the bad pellets were mixed in. Im a casting noob but im trying not to blame my gear just my techinque. I cheaped out and didnt buy the hotplate when I should have. Thanks for the tip!
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Propane torch. Just sayin'.
Don't overdo it, that blue flame is ultra hot. It quickly makes a mold evenly warm and you can lick the pins with it too to warm up. Don't overdo it with brass! Steel molds are a no brainer with a torch.
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Propane torch. Just sayin'.
Don't overdo it, that blue flame is ultra hot. It quickly makes a mold evenly warm and you can lick the pins with it too to warm up. Don't overdo it with brass! Steel molds are a no brainer with a torch.
Good point Garrett! I had some other things on power, so running out of electrical for a hot plate and the torch is a great idea.
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I put the torch on the bench when setting up to cast. Heat up HP pins in a jiffy or if the pot bottom pour freezes up hit it with torch to get flowing again. Ya know, quick easy portable heat.
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I didn't even mention how it comes in handy when you don't want to take a long break as you fill up the pot again you can use the torch to melt the lead at top to speed up wait time.
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Are any of our resident casters casting and selling these? I would like to try some in my Flex .30. Casting is a rabbit hole I'm not quite ready to go down, it looks very addicting!!!! I am saving lead for the day when I do take the leap, but not quite ready yet.
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Mike, PM your address to me and I will drop some in the mail
Ray
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Mike, PM your address to me and I will drop some in the mail
Ray
PM sent
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Mike, PM your address to me and I will drop some in the mail
Ray
PM sent
Ray---your mailbox is full.