To be fair, I probably should have done a pellet test with these springers. I can see how it might make a difference with the express. The daisy 1100 might have a lockup issue. For $60 brand new, it is still an awesome and handy little gun. Just, so far, no good with a scope. Might get better results after i try every pellet i have. Meanwhile it is ok to ten yards. Expectation management I guess, lol. It will sport open sights for awhile. Still, so much better results with the 2100. Looking back, i forgot how poorly the 2100 performed with everything but the pointed crosman ammo in the past. This gun and these pellets were made for each other, literally. I do have a variety of cheap store shelf ammo to try, surely at least one will do better. I probably have every pellet that can be found on a store shelf within a reasonable drive from home. That is a pretty good variety, at least 13 different pellets of at least 5 different brands. The 1100 was hitting those 5 hr energy bottles with open sights awhile back, with the pirhanas. It is a powerhouse, maybe pushing cphp too fast, or spinning them too fast. Maybe a lockup issue too.Still, i so much prefer the msp's. The 2100 only really likes the pointed crosmans, but even with the worst pellet, it does better than the 1100 at 20 meters did that day with a couple of pellets. I can at least keep all of them inside the black on the gamo target with anything, from the 2100. Usually hit the 1 3/4 spinner too.I have probably been spoiled by a good run with cheap guns. Not sure what it is about the Stoeger line of air rifles. I know they are generally just another rebadged Gamo clone, but there is no denying the fact that they shoot. I remember being dissappointed that i could not hold 10m nickel groups edge to edge with a .22 X20S and selling it because I thought I'd completely lost my touch with a springer. I'd be happy to cover all my 10m groups with a quarter with my current set of price point springers. Only guns I can meet or beat those expectations with now are the x3 and XS28M. Been so long since I shot anything past 6 meters. I really expected to hold a better group with my palm rested. Next time I will take one rifle and wring it out with every pellet at 20 meters. Still, you can't beat the inherent accuracy of a pneumatic, from every firing position, off any type of rest. It feels good to hit what you are aimig at, no matter what.I did make a wishlist on AOA for a .22 HW30S, in laminate. Waiting for when the time is right to send it to my wife. There are 2 big no-no's of mine:1. Ordering from AOA2. Untuned springer. I did put a vortek kit in the list, JIC.I also found myself a benjamin 397. I need a powerful pneumatic that I can feed from the store shelf to keep my sanity. Squirrel season is coming in a couple months, i don't have a week to "get my eye in" on a springer. Thanks to all for your input.
I’m late to this topic, and I don’t post often, but I’m not at all surprised to see good groups with a Weihrauch spring gun. I learned quite early on in my adult Airgun experience to avoid at all costs, Crosman-Gamo-Daisy-etc pellets. I would avoid them even more adamantly in a low cost spring gun. Today I was out with my CZ634(low cost spring gun) outfitted with a Hawke 3-9(low cost scope) and from a sand bag was quite easily hitting a 2” spinner with H&N FTTs(decent pellets). Sometimes, not always, it takes a bit more kit to get acceptable results.
Depending on my mood, standard springers can be either challenging or frustrating.
Quote from: Mulby on July 09, 2018, 02:13:13 AMI’m late to this topic, and I don’t post often, but I’m not at all surprised to see good groups with a Weihrauch spring gun. I learned quite early on in my adult Airgun experience to avoid at all costs, Crosman-Gamo-Daisy-etc pellets. I would avoid them even more adamantly in a low cost spring gun. Today I was out with my CZ634(low cost spring gun) outfitted with a Hawke 3-9(low cost scope) and from a sand bag was quite easily hitting a 2” spinner with H&N FTTs(decent pellets). Sometimes, not always, it takes a bit more kit to get acceptable results.Forgot to mention the range was 70 yards.
Bryan, I have to be brutally honest here. This is just my humble opinion, nothing more. Every rifle you mentioned comes from one country. Have you ever shot a well tuned Weihrauch, Walter, Air Arms, or FWB springer?
I guess I have to post some groups with my straight outta the box flying dragon springer. It will make you think twice about the origin of a rifle. Yes, tuned, but that is an option when you purchase it. I would love to see an RWS 350 mag, right out of the box, that could hang with it. Last I checked, the 350 costs $200 more than a tuned xs28m.
Quote from: Bryan H. on July 09, 2018, 07:14:14 PMI guess I have to post some groups with my straight outta the box flying dragon springer. It will make you think twice about the origin of a rifle. Yes, tuned, but that is an option when you purchase it. I would love to see an RWS 350 mag, right out of the box, that could hang with it. Last I checked, the 350 costs $200 more than a tuned xs28m.I don't doubt your xs28m shoots great groups... I have a Mike Melick-tuned BAM B26. I also have a few Hatsans, a China-made Webley, two B3's, etc. But if I was going to recommend a bone-stock springer to a dear friend in hopes that he/she would be completely satisfied and happy, I'd probably recommend a Weihrauch. You said you're burned out on springers. Some folks --including myself-- are merely suggesting that maybe it's because you haven't tried a high-quality springer or two with some high-quality pellets. Springer fans don't want to see you go to the dark side! Tight groups,Bob
Quote from: Bryan H. on July 09, 2018, 07:14:14 PMI guess I have to post some groups with my straight outta the box flying dragon springer. It will make you think twice about the origin of a rifle. Yes, tuned, but that is an option when you purchase it. I would love to see an RWS 350 mag, right out of the box, that could hang with it. Last I checked, the 350 costs $200 more than a tuned xs28m.I also have a China-made Webley.... But if I was going to recommend a bone-stock springer to a dear friend in hopes that he/she would be completely satisfied and happy, I'd probably recommend a Weihrauch.
Anyway, can anybody relate to this? I love airguns and I loved tinkering with them when I had time, but I don't anymore. Now, I just want out of the box performance. I might just unload my springers in favor of some single shot multi pump and CO2 rifles.