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Target Shooting Matches, Discussion & Events => Field Target Gates => Topic started by: 22Jim on August 22, 2018, 08:05:41 PM
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Hector Medina is preparing daily reports from the Worlds in Poland for Hard Air Magazine, lots of pictures. Thanks Hector and Steve from Hard Air for the coverage!
https://hardairmagazine.com (https://hardairmagazine.com)
Jim in Sacramento
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Thanks for posting this.
Mitch
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Awesome! Thanks Jim! Thanks Hector!
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Group Pic at dinner ... wheres Cameron ???
(https://hardairmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/HAM-TeamUSATable1-2.jpg)
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Group Pic at dinner ... where's Cameron ???
He's chowing with Tyler and watching over Riz's shoulder ... HAAAA!
Bob
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Well this is certainly fun but very very tough!
I shot the black course on the first day, we started over 2 hours late due to the pcp shooters calling 30+ protests and the target painting.
Started shooting after 5pm, weather and conditions were perfect. I should have shot better, but target distances are set at Max. 25mm at 42 yards, 40mm 42 yards kneelers, 40mm 39yard offhands 30 degree shots, super tough course. Sunset was around 7:55pm, at 7:50 they called the course cold. We were scheduled to finish our first match on the second day. Not my idea of fun. My partner Ischvan from Ukraine and I battled it out most of the day with our 97s. I ended up 2 ahead of him with a 34/50.
First day I took 50% on forced position lanes, 20% of the course is forced. They switch between 6 kneelers/ 4 standing to 4 kneeling/ 6 standing depending on the day.
Second day was 75% offhand, but a lot more wind. Many wind shadows and areas that it was difficult to read properly. I was able to pull off a 33/50 with a more difficult course and with moderate wind. Today's course was approximately 40 troyer before wind, and yesterday was about the same.
I'm having a great time, sitting at the hotel restaurant drinking a Pilsner with some of my new English mates.
The poor PCP shooters are out in a lightning storm in rain. They delayed the shoot, waiting for a weather break. No idea what's the plan with that.
Ray Apelles is shooting well, as well at Matt Brackett. I believe the results from day 2 will be posted soon and we will see who's sitting where.
Hope all is well guys!
Cameron
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Cameron,
Keep after it ... best of luck my friend !
Scott
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Sounds exciting, Cam!
Hang tough.
Bob
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Peirogi!
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Find out why Riz jumped ship.
According to the event web site, he's now shooting for Argentina. The Rascal!
Whoa ... We must FLOG him once back home ? (https://www.bmwlt.com/forums/images/smilies/deadhorse.gif)
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Sorry. My mistake. That was 2017 results.
Still ... what the heck? Was Riz shooting for Argentina?
B
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Thanks for the updates, and best of luck to everyone shooting!
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I'm having a great time, sitting still the hotel restaurant drinking a Pilsner with some of my new English mates.
Cameron
You must be having a blast. 300 new friends to meet and unobtainium beer 8)
Great Shooting those scores of yours are fantastic, keep it going!
Jim in Sacramento
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I'm starting to see the results being posted by the Hosts:
http://www.wftc2018.com/index.php/results (http://www.wftc2018.com/index.php/results)
I think we need to up the difficulty (not you .22Jim!) at our local matches. Dave C. had a great idea, to start shooting local matches with one shot per target. Same number of total physical targets, go through the course twice.
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I put day one into Excel, you can use a filter for the team or shooter you are looking for:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/oi6ibqgyrn4o965/Day%201%20Results.xlsx?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/oi6ibqgyrn4o965/Day%201%20Results.xlsx?dl=0)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-Dcbem0Au8MVpV-K7RVzJTe_E1oG7m61 (https://drive.google.com/open?id=1-Dcbem0Au8MVpV-K7RVzJTe_E1oG7m61)
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Well this is certainly fun but very very tough!
I shot the black course on the first day, we started over 2 hours late due to the pcp shooters calling 30+ protests and the target painting.
Started shooting after 5pm, weather and conditions were perfect. I should have shot better, but target distances are set at Max. 25mm at 42 yards, 40mm 42 yards kneelers, 40mm 39yard offhands 30 degree shots, super tough course. Sunset was around 7:55pm, at 7:50 they called the course cold. We were scheduled to finish our first match on the second day. Not my idea of fun. My partner Ischvan from Ukraine and I battled it out most of the day with our 97s. I ended up 2 ahead of him with a 34/50.
First day I took 50% on forced position lanes, 20% of the course is forced. They switch between 6 kneelers/ 4 standing to 4 kneeling/ 6 standing depending on the day.
Second day was 75% offhand, but a lot more wind. Many wind shadows and areas that it was difficult to read properly. I was able to pull off a 33/50 with a more difficult course and with moderate wind. Today's course was approximately 40 troyer before wind, and yesterday was about the same.
I'm having a great time, sitting at the hotel restaurant drinking a Pilsner with some of my new English mates.
The poor PCP shooters are out in a lightning storm in rain. They delayed the shoot, waiting for a weather break. No idea what's the plan with that.
Ray Apelles is shooting well, as well at Matt Brackett. I believe the results from day 2 will be posted soon and we will see who's sitting where.
Hope all is well guys!
Cameron
At Morro Bay we had 28T (without wind) difficulty courses. You shot 35/50 (day 1) and 35/50 (day 2). If the Poland course is a 40T without wind, your 33/50 (day 1) and 34/50 (day 2) scores are very good. Those scores should put you in the running. Keep it up on day 3.
BTW: According to the 2018 WFTF rules, the max distance for a 25mm target is 35m (38.3yds). So if you did see a 25mm at 42 yards, it was an illegal target.
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From WFTC 2018 Poland Facebook
38 mins ·
ATTENTION!!!
By the decision of WFTF: 25.08.2018 PCP will commence according to schedule. The PCP shooters will start from the lanes that they have finished shooting on 24.08.2018. What is more, opposing to the organisers (PFTA), the last day of Springers competition has been cancelled. For springer shoot-offs Heli Jalakas, Regina Burvienė, Jan Henrik Homann and Matt Brackett please report to zero range in competition area at 11:30 o’clock.
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From WFTC 2018 Poland Facebook
38 mins ·
ATTENTION!!!
By the decision of WFTF: 25.08.2018 PCP will commence according to schedule. The PCP shooters will start from the lanes that they have finished shooting on 24.08.2018. What is more, opposing to the organisers (PFTA), the last day of Springers competition has been cancelled. For springer shoot-offs Heli Jalakas, Regina Burvienė, Jan Henrik Homann and Matt Brackett please report to zero range in competition area at 11:30 o’clock.
Bad news good news,
Bad news I don't get to shoot tomorrow, good news I get a tenth place medal!
Woohoo!!!!!
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Bad news good news,
Bad news I don't get to shoot tomorrow, good news I get a tenth place medal!
Woohoo!!!!!
YESSSS!
Your talent and work paid off, buddy.
HEY ... I know this guy!
Congratulations, amigo.
Bob
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Not Sunrise, but Son and Riz?
Did they avoid the lightning strikes??
B
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From WFTC 2018 Poland Facebook
38 mins ·
ATTENTION!!!
By the decision of WFTF: 25.08.2018 PCP will commence according to schedule. The PCP shooters will start from the lanes that they have finished shooting on 24.08.2018. What is more, opposing to the organisers (PFTA), the last day of Springers competition has been cancelled. For springer shoot-offs Heli Jalakas, Regina Burvienė, Jan Henrik Homann and Matt Brackett please report to zero range in competition area at 11:30 o’clock.
Bad news good news,
Bad news I don't get to shoot tomorrow, good news I get a tenth place medal!
Woohoo!!!!!
I think you should PROTEST and get in the fight to better your finish position !!
But then again could go the other way :P
Good job my friend !!
10th at a Worlds is no slouch !!
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From WFTC 2018 Poland Facebook
38 mins ·
ATTENTION!!!
By the decision of WFTF: 25.08.2018 PCP will commence according to schedule. The PCP shooters will start from the lanes that they have finished shooting on 24.08.2018. What is more, opposing to the organisers (PFTA), the last day of Springers competition has been cancelled. For springer shoot-offs Heli Jalakas, Regina Burvienė, Jan Henrik Homann and Matt Brackett please report to zero range in competition area at 11:30 o’clock.
Bad news good news,
Bad news I don't get to shoot tomorrow, good news I get a tenth place medal!
Woohoo!!!!!
Average scores were a little higher on the Blue course. Neither you (10th) or Ferenc Toth (2nd) shot that course. Statistically, you and Ferenc would have moved up a position had all three courses been shot.
They said that they would check any protested targets after the match and throw out any defective ones ("cancel them for whole competition"). That would mean that your score is not yet finalized.
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Well hopefully with a few shots as a buffer it should help me out.
I was looking forward to shooting a complete 150 shot world's but due to weather and time it isn't going to happen. Average score on blue is certainly higher than the other two. It would have been nice to shoot it, I was really hoping to hit more targets percentage wise, but I'm happy in the spot where I am.
It's not over until everything is final, but 10th would be nice.
Cameron
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I'm starting to see the results being posted by the Hosts:
http://www.wftc2018.com/index.php/results (http://www.wftc2018.com/index.php/results)
I think we need to up the difficulty (not you .22Jim!) at our local matches. Dave C. had a great idea, to start shooting local matches with one shot per target. Same number of total physical targets, go through the course twice.
I have thought about thisas well, a good way to make the second round slightly more difficult is to push the firing line back a yard or two. Different yardage on each target will be great to make it a little more challenging.
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Congratulations Cameron!
Way to go!👍👍👍👍👍👍👍
Mitch
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Well hopefully with a few shots as a buffer it should help me out.
I was looking forward to shooting a complete 150 shot world's but due to weather and time it isn't going to happen. Average score on blue is certainly higher than the other two. It would have been nice to shoot it, I was really hoping to hit more targets percentage wise, but I'm happy in the spot where I am.
It's not over until everything is final, but 10th would be nice.
Cameron
Ray Apelles had a great first day. Matt Brackett had a great second day. You, Ray, and Matt all shot well for Team USA.
(http://www.scotthull.us/photos/Misc/2018-WFTF-springer-team.jpg)
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Looks like nobody gained any shots via protest to take my position. So I'm in tenth, and luckily we had a pretty consistent day the second day as well.
USA Piston Team coming home with a first place!
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From WFTC 2018 Poland Facebook
38 mins ·
ATTENTION!!!
By the decision of WFTF: 25.08.2018 PCP will commence according to schedule. The PCP shooters will start from the lanes that they have finished shooting on 24.08.2018. What is more, opposing to the organisers (PFTA), the last day of Springers competition has been cancelled. For springer shoot-offs Heli Jalakas, Regina Burvienė, Jan Henrik Homann and Matt Brackett please report to zero range in competition area at 11:30 o’clock.
Bad news good news,
Bad news I don't get to shoot tomorrow, good news I get a tenth place medal!
Woohoo!!!!!
Congrats - fantastic job!!! That's a crazy amount of forced positions at those courses. I would be so screwed :D
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Looks like nobody gained any shots via protest to take my position. So I'm in tenth, and luckily we had a pretty consistent day the second day as well.
USA Piston Team coming home with a first place!
Congratulations, what an incredible accomplishment, 10th in the World! That's almost as good as beating Uncle Bob in one of our matches ;D
Team USA first in the world as a piston team, that is even more amazing. Great shooting by Ray, Matt and yourself. That medal will be something you can be proud of the rest of your life! Have a safe and uneventful trip home.
Jim in Sacramento
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This is sooooo cool! Way to go Cameron! ;D ;D ;D
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Congratulations, what an incredible accomplishment, 10th in the World! That's almost as good as beating Uncle Bob in one of our matches ;D
Team USA first in the world as a piston team, that is even more amazing. Great shooting by Ray, Matt and yourself. That medal will be something you can be proud of the rest of your life! Have a safe and uneventful trip home.
Jim in Sacramento
Hear, Hear!
Way to represent us, Cam.
Bob's Yer Uncle
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After 2 days, the event is over for piston shooters. I see on the results page they did not all shoot the same 2 courses. I assume rain is the cause of canceling day 3 for them.
Congratulations to all the piston shooters . Ya did great!
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After 2 days, the event is over for piston shooters. I see on the results page they did not all shoot the same 2 courses. I assume rain is the cause of canceling day 3 for them.
Congratulations to all the piston shooters . Ya did great!
30+ protest / cold lane calls on day 1 really screwed up them getting 325 shooters to finish 3 courses over 3 days :'( :'(
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After 2 days, the event is over for piston shooters. I see on the results page they did not all shoot the same 2 courses. I assume rain is the cause of canceling day 3 for them.
Congratulations to all the piston shooters . Ya did great!
Repost of my post on another forum:
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Storms are beyond control. But – I followed the reports and this is what I came out of it with: The 1st day delays that initially threw everything off was caused by the snowball of overzealous target protestors (I've seen that before). The results of the delays from the 1st round of PCP shooters was that Springer shooters did not complete their first course until day 2. Then they shot their second course. That delayed the start of the PCP shooters who could not finish before the storms came.
Before day 2, the organization decided that they would not address any further protests during the match. They announced that all targets would be checked at the end of competition and thrown out if defective.
No targets were thrown out, so apparently, all targets worked fine. Lucky that none were thrown out because throwing out targets after scores are turned in is the worst possible solution.
All that the 1st day protests did was add delays and did nothing for the game. If it were up to me, there would be no target protests.
Or, maybe a bad protest should result in losing the next point. That would eliminate the strategic protests as there would be no advantage protesting targets unless half the targets were actually bad.
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A no-protest rule at the beginning would have made for a better match and likely all three days of competition.
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I'll have to get pictures of the piston shooters from Tyler, Riz or Lauren.
Lots of fun last night, very proud to be a part of the piston team this year. It was unfortunate to not shoot all three courses. With people over protesting targets the first day I waited a total of 7 hours to shoot. I was dehydrated because there was no water on the sight in range, and tired from Jet lag and being there waiting for so long.
My partner Ischvan and I met up at lane 16 Black course and started a long evening of shooting. We quickly caught up to the shooters two lanes ahead of us due to the fact that he was young and able like me to complete a lane in just slightly over 2 minutes. No jacket, no fancy glove but he did shoot a HW97 with beautiful Ukrainian Walnut with a beautiful butthook/ shoulder hook assembly. If I had known cell phone cameras weren't allowed on the course I would have brought my old digital one.
I'm sure there will be more posts soon, Riz, Tyler and I are heading to the airport soon to catch a ride to the USA, home of the 2018 World Piston Champions!
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Most excellent !!!
We're shooting in YOLO in the morning ... CYA there :o :o :o :o
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.... No jacket, no fancy glove but he did shoot a HW97 with beautiful Ukrainian Walnut with a beautiful butthook/ shoulder hook assembly.
After looking at some of the rifles in the competition, people must have thought you were shooting a stone axe! Sometimes physical skill trumps all the fancy gear in the world. A good lesson for all of us, rather than buying some new gizmo, spend the money on pellets and practice :o
Jim in Sacramento
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I'll have to get pictures of the piston shooters from Tyler, Riz or Lauren.
Lots of fun last night, very proud to be a part of the piston team this year. It was unfortunate to not shoot all three courses. With people over protesting targets the first day I waited a total of 7 hours to shoot. I was dehydrated because there was no water on the sight in range, and tired from Jet lag and being there waiting for so long.
My partner Ischvan and I met up at lane 16 Black course and started a long evening of shooting. We quickly caught up to the shooters two lanes ahead of us due to the fact that he was young and able like me to complete a lane in just slightly over 2 minutes. No jacket, no fancy glove but he did shoot a HW97 with beautiful Ukrainian Walnut with a beautiful butthook/ shoulder hook assembly. If I had known cell phone cameras weren't allowed on the course I would have brought my old digital one.
I'm sure there will be more posts soon, Riz, Tyler and I are heading to the airport soon to catch a ride to the USA, home of the 2018 World Piston Champions!
What a great experience and awesome accomplishment - VERY COOL!!!
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The final report with some photos here:
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/final-results-from-the-wftc-poland-2018/
Hope you enjoy!
HM
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The final report with some photos here:
https://hardairmagazine.com/news/final-results-from-the-wftc-poland-2018/
Hope you enjoy!
HM
Hector,
Thanks for your timely reports from the field over the last few days.
And big congrats to the best Springer Team in the world!
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Congratulations to you all!
Mitch
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Thanks, everyone for your kind words.
It took some time to get a strong core of Piston shooters going. Leo Duran laughed at me during the dinner because I was telling a Swede to start shooting springer.
I know he didn't mean wrong, but it does illustrate the kind of dedication needed to start from no Piston shooters in 2010 to Champion Team by 2018.
Hopefully, next year we will field another strong team, we will need it because we'll be going into the Lion's Den.
Keep well and shoot straight!
HM
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As always Hector, great job reporting and congratulations on the USA Springer 1st place finish. Quite an accomplishment against so many other fine shooters. I love reading FT reports, especially big events.
See you at the Pyramyd Air Cup.
Gary
Venice, FL