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Another Kessler Resurrection
« on: January 10, 2022, 11:01:17 PM »
Have had this 3rd variant, as a parts gun, 10+ years. the receiver where the stock screw attaches is stripped bad. Other issues … missing stock retention screw, pump cup missing & valve condition?? but cosmetically not too bad & 95% complete.

having brought my 1rst variant back to life I though 1 day I figure out a way to bring this 1 back too.

well its going to happen … a NOS receiver & stock screw showed up at my door today. 
 
Looking for suggestions to try to duplicate original crinkle finish on the receiver. my 1rst thought is spray on bedliner ??
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2022, 11:28:39 PM »
One day I hope to find one to rebuild, until then I will be happy to see your progress on this one. As for finishes, I am in the same thought as you for using a truck bed liner type paint, but others may give a better option as some truck bed paint seems a little rougher than the original Krinkle finish.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2022, 11:44:25 AM »
Well if you want to get into building Kessler.
https://www.gunbroker.com/item/921046624

Steve in GA. Knowing him he take alot less than his starting price.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2022, 12:38:36 AM »
Mike,

I think that’s a little more than I want to take on at the moment, but it is tempting. All I am looking for is one to set next to my 1880’s vintage Kessler Brewing Company Beer Bottle, that was produced here in Helena, Montana.

Out of curiosity I lost track of them or maybe you sold them all, do you happen to have any of your Crosman 114s available? I really like the Crosman Model 99 I picked up from you last fall.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2022, 10:11:58 AM »
finally got the kessler apart. Should’ve been a combination of copper & leather shims to seal the valve halves but this one was glued together. looks like the hammer spring lost a coil or 2 at some point too.

Good news though ?? … the new stock screw is too long & will need to be cut to length and only the last 1/4 of receiver is stripped. the remaining 3/4 inch was packed with shavings on top of the set screw that holds the valve. maybe it can be saved.

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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2022, 11:09:48 AM »
Following. This is very interesting. Please be generous with photos of your build as you move along.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #6 on: January 13, 2022, 11:59:31 AM »
so here’s the valve assembly in order … input 1/2 of valve is soldered to compression tube, check valve is 3 pieces with seal sandwiched between 2 parts that unscrew (seal easily fab’d from a crosman end seal) valve spring, poppet ball, seal nut, seal (again easily fab’d from an end seal), valve body (my 1rst variant was brass), hammer, spring, nut, striker & pull knob.

again only thing missing is the copper & leather shim seals between the valve halves … which I will replace with an O-ring. A little trial & error to get the thickness right to align the exhaust port with adequate seal & compression while in the receiver.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #7 on: January 13, 2022, 12:30:18 PM »
Thank you for the organized picture. That’s an interesting design. That valve spring looks similar to the football style used in early Crosman’s 100, 101, 102’s. I like to know the dimensions too if it isn’t too much to ask. The spring wire size too. The reason being is if the Kessler used the same spring as a Crosman and Steve has some NOS springs in stock this could really help some of us with the early guns.

Also, that ball valve design is a great feature. What a classic air rifle.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #8 on: January 13, 2022, 01:17:00 PM »
Kessler valve spring. sorry for the pics … my digital calibers battery is dead & I haven’t used these ones since high school. Digital tech has made me forgot how to read.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #9 on: January 13, 2022, 01:17:50 PM »
here’s the check valve disassembled.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #10 on: January 13, 2022, 01:23:34 PM »
is it .053 or .052 wire ??
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #11 on: January 13, 2022, 01:54:42 PM »
Timothy wife and I are almost out the door. I’ll get back on the wire and the check valve looks just like an early Crosman.

Can’t thank you enough.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #12 on: January 13, 2022, 04:01:14 PM »
is it .053 or .052 wire ??

I believe that wire is .053 or fifty three thousandths. The length looks to be around 1-1/8”.

I’ll add some dimensions of the spring from my Crosman on another thread so it won’t confuse any Kessler builders. Mine is different enough to leave it out.

Thanks again!
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2022, 09:23:13 AM »
new valve seals installed … O-ring between valve halves … 3/16 drift punch will align TP, then valve set screw will lock it down & I will tighten the compression tube. O ring should compress, sealing the valve & atleast provide an addition seal between the valve and receiver, on 1 side, since there is no TP seal (if I have the size right).
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2022, 10:10:54 AM »
i think I have it … maybe a degree or 2 off but since its only hand tight it can easily be tweaked later.

I tried using the copper/leather shim method when rebuilding my second variant model A & gave up. not sure how the factory did it. I didn’t want use goop & have issues getting it back apart when & if need. IMO O-ring is the way to go.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #15 on: January 14, 2022, 10:19:18 AM »
Kessler valve spring. sorry for the pics … my digital calibers battery is dead & I haven’t used these ones since high school. Digital tech has made me forgot how to read.
.055” per your picture
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #16 on: January 14, 2022, 10:48:08 AM »
.055” per your picture

Thanks, Kieth

stock screw shortened, installed & holding strong. getting ready to install & adjust pump rod.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #17 on: January 14, 2022, 10:52:03 AM »
Kessler valve spring. sorry for the pics … my digital calibers battery is dead & I haven’t used these ones since high school. Digital tech has made me forgot how to read.
.055” per your picture

Thanks Keith!
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #18 on: January 14, 2022, 10:54:30 AM »
forgot … have an old picture of a kessler seal kit. since the pump cups R pretty unique … I chose to go with a Mac1 delrin O-ring pump for my Model A 2nd variant because I just love that 1 and shoot it often.
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Re: Another Kessler Resurrection
« Reply #19 on: January 14, 2022, 12:57:28 PM »
Well it’s not a power house … in fact 10 pumps is only in the 550fps range. Quite a bit off from the advertised 700fps but then my other kessler is just barely over 600fps.

You won’t win any target competitions with it either … it was the last build before the end. Notable differences in build quality between my 2. but it’s a plinker again.

I’ve put 2 pumps in it & softly released the hammer, if it holds overnite, I’ll call it done.
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