Thanks for the pics Nced and Baymen. I'm happy to admit when I've been wrong (thats how we better ourselves).
I will tread carefully, IF I decide to cut anymore I'll do half a coil at a time. But preliminary accuracy check looks excellent so if further testing verifies this I may just call it good.
Quote from: Denby95 on January 14, 2022, 11:35:27 AMThanks for the pics Nced and Baymen. I'm happy to admit when I've been wrong (thats how we better ourselves).No problem buddy. You weren't as wrong as much as concerned. I'm a fussy person and my second Weihrauch was a Hw30 that thought I had a defect in the bluing. At the time money was very tight and as a perfectionist I was very disappointed and upset. Until I found out that pretty much all the Hw30s had the same "Defect". It's very understandable for someone unfamiliar with a product to pick out something that doesn't look right. Especially if they're expecting perfection because of the heaps of delusional laurels thrown on the guns by fans. Likewise when people are complaining how bad quality has gotten because they are misinformed or have rose tinted memories. Both are heavily biased opinions that can mess people up. You're more a victim of the information super highway than you are wrong for worrying about those seams.I will say that Weihrauch isn't perfect now. Then again, it never was. I've seen just as many machining defects on 1980s and 90s guns as I see now. Albeit not many but I have seen some design improvements in the last decade or so. I've only gotten two terminally defective Weihrauchs out of 13 new guns. They were 2016/17 sequentially serial numbered Hw77s that had bad barrels that couldn't shoot much better than 1/2" at ten yards.What I have seen occasionally in the last two years is sloppy assembly work. Minor scratches in the compression tube, too much lube causing melted seals and barrel droop on the Hw95 family guns. There's no excuses for this and I can only guess that the pandemic may have affected labor quality. The general consumer doesn't have the skills to deal with this and should have to for that matter. They should return the guns so maybe Weihrauch will address these things.In general it's decent gun and the quality of the design and parts is better than most in its price range. IMO I think they're still worth buying. Other than those two Hw77s I haven't seen a terminally defective Weihrauch. Those were returned for a refund. Even in the odd chance you have a problem with one down the road they're worth fixing if you have the skills or budget. They can be turned into really sweet guns. Take care Ron
Quote from: Bayman on January 14, 2022, 01:02:40 PMQuote from: Denby95 on January 14, 2022, 11:35:27 AMThanks for the pics Nced and Baymen. I'm happy to admit when I've been wrong (thats how we better ourselves).No problem buddy. You weren't as wrong as much as concerned. I'm a fussy person and my second Weihrauch was a Hw30 that thought I had a defect in the bluing. At the time money was very tight and as a perfectionist I was very disappointed and upset. Until I found out that pretty much all the Hw30s had the same "Defect". It's very understandable for someone unfamiliar with a product to pick out something that doesn't look right. Especially if they're expecting perfection because of the heaps of delusional laurels thrown on the guns by fans. Likewise when people are complaining how bad quality has gotten because they are misinformed or have rose tinted memories. Both are heavily biased opinions that can mess people up. You're more a victim of the information super highway than you are wrong for worrying about those seams.I will say that Weihrauch isn't perfect now. Then again, it never was. I've seen just as many machining defects on 1980s and 90s guns as I see now. Albeit not many but I have seen some design improvements in the last decade or so. I've only gotten two terminally defective Weihrauchs out of 13 new guns. They were 2016/17 sequentially serial numbered Hw77s that had bad barrels that couldn't shoot much better than 1/2" at ten yards.What I have seen occasionally in the last two years is sloppy assembly work. Minor scratches in the compression tube, too much lube causing melted seals and barrel droop on the Hw95 family guns. There's no excuses for this and I can only guess that the pandemic may have affected labor quality. The general consumer doesn't have the skills to deal with this and should have to for that matter. They should return the guns so maybe Weihrauch will address these things.In general it's decent gun and the quality of the design and parts is better than most in its price range. IMO I think they're still worth buying. Other than those two Hw77s I haven't seen a terminally defective Weihrauch. Those were returned for a refund. Even in the odd chance you have a problem with one down the road they're worth fixing if you have the skills or budget. They can be turned into really sweet guns. Take care RonI appreciate your reply and very much agree about enjoying them. Aesthetically they're immediately noticeably have a higher attention to detail than my Dianas. You see it in the screws chosen, less (maybe none?) plastic, etc. The 35 is starting my venture into some of the lower FPE options just for fun. An HW30 is also on that list when they come back in stock.On the HW quality front anecdotal discussion are comments on ARH's website. In the piston seals for an HW35 offered there is a softer seal that he recommends for tubes that may be irregular, and a stiffer seal which has greater potential, but requires a tighter tolerances. https://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/1307073.htmhttps://www.airrifleheadquarters.com/catalog/item/251485/8272853.htmSpecifically I'm commenting on "New design better handles the out of spec guns with tube issues. Common place today unfortunately." Any thoughts on the comments for the descriptions made in those links?
Quote from: triggerfest on January 14, 2022, 03:00:21 AMQuote from: Bayman on January 13, 2022, 07:53:35 PMQuote from: Denby95 on January 13, 2022, 06:23:47 PMWell speaking of Weihrauh quality. I just purchased a HW35 (not the E) from Krale. Krale as always is fantastic but I noticed this strange incised line on both the front portion and rear portion of the receiver. Its deep enough that a finger nail can grab on it. My HW95 and 97 do not have these marks. I emailed Krale about it to ask if this was normal and was told it was. It's very minor but seems a something that shouldn't really be happening in the manufacturing process.Drew those are completely normal on the Hw35 and Hw80. It's how the gun is made and how it's assembled. There's absolutely nothing abnormal about that. Thirty year old 35s and 80s have that. Don't fret.Yes, is this really normal ? Still talking German airguns, my Diana's and Walther don't have this.Rudy yes this is normal. You'd think with all the bad detailed things you've said about Weihrauchs you'd think you know that. This is Weihrauch 101.There's a slight visible seam where the threaded trigger block threads into the compression tube. Any of the 30mm tube Weihrauchs have this. This includes Hw80, Hw97 and yes the Hw35. It's where they are designed to be taken apart.The other seam a little back from the compression tube fork channel is normal too. That's where the machined forked end is brazed into the compression tube itself. The whole thing is final machine and blued, but there is always a visible seam just behind the forks and the at threaded end. Albeit it slight they are noticeable. Especially if you looking for flaws that aren't there because other people are saying the newer guns aren't made well. Or they are very fussy like myself. Come on guys. Seasoned Weihrauch guys should know this. I'm new to game and I do.
Quote from: Bayman on January 13, 2022, 07:53:35 PMQuote from: Denby95 on January 13, 2022, 06:23:47 PMWell speaking of Weihrauh quality. I just purchased a HW35 (not the E) from Krale. Krale as always is fantastic but I noticed this strange incised line on both the front portion and rear portion of the receiver. Its deep enough that a finger nail can grab on it. My HW95 and 97 do not have these marks. I emailed Krale about it to ask if this was normal and was told it was. It's very minor but seems a something that shouldn't really be happening in the manufacturing process.Drew those are completely normal on the Hw35 and Hw80. It's how the gun is made and how it's assembled. There's absolutely nothing abnormal about that. Thirty year old 35s and 80s have that. Don't fret.Yes, is this really normal ? Still talking German airguns, my Diana's and Walther don't have this.
Quote from: Denby95 on January 13, 2022, 06:23:47 PMWell speaking of Weihrauh quality. I just purchased a HW35 (not the E) from Krale. Krale as always is fantastic but I noticed this strange incised line on both the front portion and rear portion of the receiver. Its deep enough that a finger nail can grab on it. My HW95 and 97 do not have these marks. I emailed Krale about it to ask if this was normal and was told it was. It's very minor but seems a something that shouldn't really be happening in the manufacturing process.Drew those are completely normal on the Hw35 and Hw80. It's how the gun is made and how it's assembled. There's absolutely nothing abnormal about that. Thirty year old 35s and 80s have that. Don't fret.
Well speaking of Weihrauh quality. I just purchased a HW35 (not the E) from Krale. Krale as always is fantastic but I noticed this strange incised line on both the front portion and rear portion of the receiver. Its deep enough that a finger nail can grab on it. My HW95 and 97 do not have these marks. I emailed Krale about it to ask if this was normal and was told it was. It's very minor but seems a something that shouldn't really be happening in the manufacturing process.
It's a HW95, it was doing 889 fps with FTT .177, after spring cut it 872. Fired a few other pellets to get an idea,, and Barracuda hunter extreme 9.57 were doing 862 and Baracuda hunter 10.49 were doing 824.
1+ about what Ron said about the Vortek seals. 6 months and about 2 to 3 K shots and my HW95 .22 average 715 FPS with H&N FTT 14.66 gr. This is with an ARH kit, Vortek seal & GPL-205 lube after a through clean & polish. Rifle is crazy accurate for this 82+ year old.
I was a surprised at the Baracuda Hunter too. The AA heavy 10.3 and Baracuda Match 10.65 were about 30-40 fps slower than the hunter is now BEFORE the spring was cut, haven't chrono'd those since removing the coil. The Hunter extremes lost no speed in the spring cut. So some of the results have been unexpected.
Quote from: Deerstalker on January 14, 2022, 03:24:11 PM1+ about what Ron said about the Vortek seals. 6 months and about 2 to 3 K shots and my HW95 .22 average 715 FPS with H&N FTT 14.66 gr. This is with an ARH kit, Vortek seal & GPL-205 lube after a through clean & polish. Rifle is crazy accurate for this 82+ year old.Hi Dave, slightly unrelated to the topic, are using GPL-205 just at the piston seal or for everything in the action (i.e., the piston itself, spring, spring guide, etc.)? Thanks.
Quote from: amitellen on January 16, 2022, 07:00:52 PMQuote from: Deerstalker on January 14, 2022, 03:24:11 PM1+ about what Ron said about the Vortek seals. 6 months and about 2 to 3 K shots and my HW95 .22 average 715 FPS with H&N FTT 14.66 gr. This is with an ARH kit, Vortek seal & GPL-205 lube after a through clean & polish. Rifle is crazy accurate for this 82+ year old.Hi Dave, slightly unrelated to the topic, are using GPL-205 just at the piston seal or for everything in the action (i.e., the piston itself, spring, spring guide, etc.)? Thanks.I used the GPL-205 sparingly on all of the receiver parts BUT very careful to not get any on the front of the Vortek seal. The rifle is absolutely soundless on the cocking cycle until the piston rod latches on the trigger.
I used the GPL-205 sparingly on all of the receiver parts BUT very careful to not get any on the front of the Vortek seal. The rifle is absolutely soundless on the cocking cycle until the piston rod latches on the trigger.