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Title: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on September 28, 2021, 08:29:13 PM
Hi, all.

I may be getting one of these beasts in .22.  I have been reading that the cocking lever assembly has been upgraded, but I'm not sure when that took place.  Are all t06's shipped with the newer bracket?  TIA!
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Roadworthy on September 28, 2021, 09:03:37 PM
I've no idea when or how it's been upgraded but I'm following this one for sure.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on September 29, 2021, 03:47:15 PM
Looks like all T-6 AGs have upgrade lever/assemblies. 

OT:  For you cats with scoped 460's - do you see any ghost image of the front sight?  Seems as though it might be in the way.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Roadworthy on September 29, 2021, 08:58:18 PM
If all T06 460 rifles have the upgraded barrel latch be prepared to visit your friendly Home Depot for some rare earth magnets and super glue.  Whether you see a ghost of the front sight may depend on the size of your objective lens and the specific mount used.  I'll take a look at mine then tell you what I have.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on September 29, 2021, 09:24:02 PM
Ty brother. Looks like they just removed weight-saving reliefs in the lever assembly.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: HectorMedina on September 30, 2021, 03:59:23 PM
Ty brother. Looks like they just removed weight-saving reliefs in the lever assembly.

Not only reliefs but slots that served their function in the 46 got deleted.
The internal diameter of the steel bar also got a reduction, creating a beefier lever.

Yes, ALL T06 variations have the modified lever.

Now, even the modified lever is not impossible to bend/break. Do NOT put your weight on it. It is simply not designed for over 100 # force and most adults weigh more than that.

;-)

HTH





HM
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on September 30, 2021, 04:52:41 PM
¡Gracias, Sr!

Do you have any maintenance tips for the 460?  Any issues with sliding breech to look out for? 
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Mark 611 on September 30, 2021, 06:26:32 PM
Frank, if you use common since when cocking these rifles and don't yank the lever down as hard as you can and do it with a smooth gentle motion you will not have any problems, I had several T05 models with out any issues! Hector and I talked about the up grades several yrs ago in a thread about the T06 versions of the 460mag, This why I purchased a T06 460, I missed the power of these rifles out of the box, over the other offerings like the HW80 in .22cal, they do not produce the power like the 460 out of the box! Even tuned the 80/R1 will not produce the power of the 460 mag! in .22cal period! Were talking controllable power that's accurate and easy to shoot with the right set up! But their loud like shooting a .22cal long or not quite a long rifle. so their not neighbor friendly! ;)
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: HectorMedina on October 01, 2021, 11:04:30 AM
¡Gracias, Sr!

Do you have any maintenance tips for the 460?  Any issues with sliding breech to look out for?

The 460 family has known "weaknesses", relatively minor problems that have been solved:
Early models (T05's)  had the 46 lever and a slightly weak breech closing spring. Those were corrected in the T06 variation.
The breech seal is among the best in the industry (just ask TX-200 users how many breech seals they use), lasting well over 10,000 shots. The 430 (in its CCA variations) inherited that seal as well as a metal insert that prolongs that life ten-fold. So, when you have to change your breech seal, it might be a good idea to add the metal insert.
Best lube in all high performance guns is Ultimox 226. Krytox is good also if you live in a place without too much ambient humidity, as it is hygroscopic.
ALWAYS make sure that the levr has locked in its battery position. If the gun feels "heavy" for you it  is an indication that you need to be EXTRA careful when putting the gun back into the bags/rest.
I've replaced the cocking lever linkage attachment tenon a few times because the shooter closed the lever, but then dropped the gun onto the rest and the weight of the lever made it unlock. In this sense, the magnets that Roadworthy was talking about may be useful as insurance.

If you find the front sight useless/too thick, there is a way to install a Williams Firesight.

You can sling the gun using Uncle Mike's front swivels made for magazine tubes of the 0.22" RF. The rear sling can be a simple screw in, or a leather boot. Both systems work well in the field.

If you scope the gun, use a ZR mount. Even though the 460 does not dish out the recoil forced that a 54/56 will dish out to the scope, they are still powerhouses.

I would limit the power to 24-25 ft-lbs, while the powerplant, well tuned will yield up to 26-27 in a controllable manner (this is a function of the architecture of the gun), there are other parts that suffer. But if you keep the power to 24 you will have a gun to last  lifetime or two.

It is NORMAL for the sliding compression chamber to "burnish" against the mechanisms tube. Just make sure it is not scratching. Tolerances are fine enough that small grains of dust can lodge between the parts and cause aesthetic problems. Not functional, but not pretty either. If it is a truck gun, then it is a truck gun and those scratches will be "scars of battles".

The 0.177" gun is MUCH better when detuned to about 13-14 ft-lbs.

Apart from that, ENJOY!

;-)

Keep well and shoot straight!






HM

Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on October 02, 2021, 05:30:16 PM
Thanks for the great advice. Rifle arrived today and looks mint. Owner said it was fired twice. I was caught off guard by how light it is. It’s much lighter than my ‘98 D36. Balance is a little muzzle heavy as you’d expect. Pellets fit snugly. Cocking effort heavier as you’d also expect. Front sight is thick, but being a glock guy, it won’t take much to discretely and cleanly thin it. Can’t wait to shoot it.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on October 04, 2021, 11:29:05 AM
Alright!  Got to have some fun with the 460.   First of all, it’s recoil is mild and noise is about 30% less compared to my tuned D36/.177.  No dieseling, just a nice “chock”sound. Cocking is not a big deal now that I know how to exert force in the lever. Trigger is a little nicer than the T01 on the 36. It is plastic, which came as a surprise. Lever lockup is nice and tight. If it gets looser or fails to lock in place, a mew spring ought to do the job.

The sights are blocky and didn’t make sense  until at first until I started imaging a hunting scenario. I’m 100% sure that if this rifle is healthy on can put on nice scope mount and my UHG Hunter, as it has fared well on my 36.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: phoebeisis on October 04, 2021, 12:39:53 PM
Frank

I quickly got accustomed to the fat front sight on my .22 460

Now I really like it for my "10 meter hallway range" I might try to figure a way to fit the HW77K rear sight to it-the HW sight has 4 different "cuts" Vs and U's different widths etc

and it is steel not plastic(but the plastic works fine just does not "feel/look" as good.

I only shoot standing freehand-no rest-so the fat sight actually works "better" quicker to "find"  and line up under bullseye.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on October 04, 2021, 01:12:26 PM
Right on!  I have a steel rear from my d36 that’ll fit it seems. Btw I used to love cruising down river road to river ridge when I was younger. I grew up on the West Bank.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: photrod2000 on October 04, 2021, 02:08:16 PM
Used my .22 all weekend, no issues. 

When new, I found mine to be extremely oily right out of the box, less than 200 rounds and it detonated, requiring new seals and a stock, among other parts.  I've seen other reviews online that speak of the same issue, so I recommend a really good cleaning / wipe down prior to use.

Also, simply engineering, grab the cocker lever at the end, thus easier to cock and easier on the whole set up.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Robert 5mm on October 04, 2021, 02:23:56 PM
I made a 18" PVC cheater bar with elbow on end to help with cocking.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: phoebeisis on October 04, 2021, 03:17:10 PM
Frank- do you west bankers still claim "west bank is the best bank"  ?

Needless to say east bankers disagree!

Trees in River Ridge sure took a beating from Ida 12 days no power-so many trees down on lines!
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on October 04, 2021, 08:11:19 PM
Frank- do you west bankers still claim "west bank is the best bank"  ?

Needless to say east bankers disagree!

Trees in River Ridge sure took a beating from Ida 12 days no power-so many trees down on lines!

Haha! Ye olde rivalry. I moved after Katrina. So homesick I wouldn’t care which side I landed on if I could move back and be closer to my family. I draw the line at westwego though lol.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Mark 611 on October 05, 2021, 06:50:05 AM
Frank, glad ur liking the 460, I don't get to shoot mine much anymore due to my work status, and its to loud to shoot around my house! But the 460 is 1 of my favorite rifles for hunting ;)
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on October 05, 2021, 10:07:30 AM
Mark I feel ya! Oddly enough I don’t find mine too loud!  I wouldn’t go popping off 50 in the backyard, but a little string here and there is alright. 
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Reidy on October 06, 2021, 10:27:08 PM
In answer to the ghost image question, during the day on both the 38 I used to have and the 36 I have now, there should be no issue with seeing the front hooded sight and I had and have x40 objective lensed scopes mounted. In low light though it was a big PIA and blurred the image.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: phoebeisis on October 07, 2021, 01:20:39 PM
Frank-some of the East bankers avoiding  going to West bank ids because we REMEMBER that FREAKIN' Huey P Long bridge with the abrupt dog leg!

200 plus feet in the air and that NARROW LANED BRIDGE(1935 or so I guess) suddenly jerks to one side because some incompetent/drunk/brother in law type CONSTRUCTION

manager could not tell the bridge ends were NOT GOING TO MEET.

How drunk does EVERYONE have to be to not notice that 100's of yards before they met.

Shoot they should have sighted along  one of the surveyors little telescope "things" every day-just how much booze did everyone have onboard to miss that!!

I HATED crossing that narrow bridge!!

Of course  in those days they were probably more corrupt than currently(which is saying something) but not catching that error-

Anyway crossing that bridge soured all east bankers

I actually grew up upriver-Gramercy-east bank-we crossed at Lutcher/Vachery via ferry(which was cool-literally they only cool place during the summer was that ferry)

Where are you now?
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Luthier Vandros on October 07, 2021, 04:06:17 PM
Haha!  I used to run around in a small 2 seater and would scare the bejeebus out of anyone riding shotgun when that little dogleg came up.  Best part was when you were stuck in a jam on that bridge and a train  would run by.  Big pucker!  I'm sure the workers who put that thing up came to work straight from the quarter smelling of party gravy and hurricanes!  Us westbankers were willing to drive over that monstrosity in order to escape the land of firebirds and t-tops, if even for 8 hours at a time.

I'm a little familiar with Grammercy/Lutcher!  I grew up in Marrero and ended up in Kalifornia after Katrina hit.  While there's no rugaru out here, we do have Newsome.
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Yarddog on October 11, 2021, 10:27:57 PM
No ghosts in my 460's scope. I had it detuned to 13-14 FPE. Much more pleasant.  Scary accurate. It ain't light though!

Hey, Mark, I finally retired since the last time I posted here! YOW!
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Mark 611 on October 13, 2021, 04:49:35 PM
Sorry for the late post! I'm having to work 7days a week and don't have much time for anything! Vance, glad to hear you retired! I bet you get a lot of trigger time now???:? ;) ;D
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: Yogi on January 14, 2022, 05:10:45 PM
¡Gracias, Sr!

Do you have any maintenance tips for the 460?  Any issues with sliding breech to look out for?


Best lube in all high performance guns is Ultimox 226. Krytox is good also if you live in a place without too much ambient humidity, as it is hygroscopic.

HM

So Hector,

In a high humidity environment, what lube do you recommend?

-Y
Title: Re: Diana 460 (t06) - question
Post by: HectorMedina on January 15, 2022, 05:10:04 PM
¡Gracias, Sr!

Do you have any maintenance tips for the 460?  Any issues with sliding breech to look out for?


Best lube in all high performance guns is Ultimox 226. Krytox is good also if you live in a place without too much ambient humidity, as it is hygroscopic.

HM

So Hector,

In a high humidity environment, what lube do you recommend?

-Y

Ultimox 226

You can buy from the manufacturer through smile.amazon.com

https://smile.amazon.com/MicroLubrol-Ultimox-226-Perfluoropolyether-Grease/dp/B00CLKM6H2/

This size will last you for a LONG time.





HM