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Title: Photo resizing /
Post by: Nvreloader on February 10, 2019, 10:05:05 PM
I have spent the last 4-5 hrs attempting to post photo's here to my new post, and I am bent outa shape.....

I keep getting a statement that the photo's are too large,
I am using Googles photo app and have the photo's posted/stored there and on my Ipad.

I have cropped the photo's down to the minimum size to show just the content, I want to show,
and can't crop any more, on the 4 photo's etc.

I have used the smallest photo, and the same info come up, "photo's too large"

I can't seem to figure out what else to do.
Can someone provide some help?

It would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Don
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: ezman604 on February 10, 2019, 10:26:15 PM
Dunno why photo sizing is such a PITA. But it seems to be.
There are tutorials as sticky topics. But the very best and easiest way to post photos is go to tinypic.com and load the photos. Then copy the Direct URL for each photo and select Insert Image. Paste the URL between the brackets. It's really quick and easy and no resizing required.
Hope this helps.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Back_Roads on February 10, 2019, 10:36:10 PM
 If you right click on the image in google then select copy image address, then paste it where EZ told you to should work like tiny pic.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Nvreloader on February 10, 2019, 10:42:30 PM
Thanks ezman604

I'll try it, but don't really like tinypic as it a Photobucket app, after all the BS they pulled, I don't trust them.....
Don't hold your breath as you'll more than likely die, before it works for me......LOL

I'll follow you instructions to the "T", if I understand the info, and here I go........

Thank you,
Don
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Insanity on February 10, 2019, 11:03:40 PM
Personally I auto upload to flicker then DL at medium size usually under 200kb per photo.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Insanity on February 10, 2019, 11:05:23 PM
For example here is one I took tonight original is 2.9MB the one I will attach is 125KB.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Stinger177 on February 10, 2019, 11:23:13 PM
Postimages.org (https://postimages.org/) is a great (and free) alternative to Photobucket. It's what I've been using for the last four months or so. It's extremely easy to use, and I can upload directly from my phone through Firefox. You can use the browser of your choice as well.

For attachments, and before I discovered Postimages, I was resizing my pics in the program Paint that is included in the accessories of most versions of Windows. That was a pain though as I'd open a pic with Paint, resize it, re-save it, and only then upon re-opening could I tell what new size it was. I usually had to do that several times to get it close to the size allowed for attachments, and then it was usually undersize as well.

Try Postimages. I think you'll like it using the [*img] image location here [*/img] insertion method described above. (Remove the stars *. Those are in there just so this posting editor didn't think it was an actual image.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Stinger177 on February 10, 2019, 11:34:41 PM
I just timed myself for grins to see how long it would take to do this -

Take the pic, upload it from my phone, copy the image location, post it in here, type all of this, and hit send.

Took all of 3 minutes 15.89 seconds.

That's using Postimages.

(https://i.postimg.cc/mgSzdgx4/20190210-203137.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Insanity on February 10, 2019, 11:41:43 PM
So challenge accepted. Let me sip my beer some, and some more. Im done at 90 seconds and yes I could done it in a minute I really did sip my beer for 30 seconds to well be a buthead...
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Taso1000 on February 10, 2019, 11:43:48 PM
Don,

One thing you can do is turn down the resolution that your ipad camera saves the pictures in the camera settings.  I'm sure you're still gonna need to compress the pictures after that.

I take the pictures on my phone and email them to myself.  I then use Microsoft Office Picture Manager on my pc and resize to 1024 x 768 pixels.  Then I attach them to my posts. 

But that's not an option if you're looking to do that online or on your ipad.

I don't have any Apple devices but it looks like the "Image Size" app in the Apple App Store has good reviews.

Thanks,

Taso
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Stinger177 on February 10, 2019, 11:45:27 PM
Quote
So challenge accepted. Let me sip my beer some, and some more. Im done at 90 seconds and yes I could done it in a minute I really did sip my beer for 30 seconds to well be a buthead...

Well done! I applaud you. You may now assume the Throne, your Majesty (LOL)  :D
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Insanity on February 10, 2019, 11:51:02 PM
Quote
So challenge accepted. Let me sip my beer some, and some more. Im done at 90 seconds and yes I could done it in a minute I really did sip my beer for 30 seconds to well be a buthead...

Well done! I applaud you. You may now assume the Throne, your Majesty (LOL)  :D

LOL anyhoo its not really the speed more the quality and ease of doing it for me flicker is simple and quick. I can select medium size DL and UL to the forum or share a BBC code. Now its 1000 photos are free then they delete I happen to have over 4000 so I pay for now. I use it as a mass photo backup and have for years. Also photos are private until you make them public so no joe schmoe can just look at what you have without using nefarious software. I am currently looking for a free photo backup that I can auto upload from my phone and then share easily from that has no limit.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Nvreloader on February 11, 2019, 12:38:31 AM
Thanks Guys

I have had NO success in everything I have tried on 3 different photo app's.

I got a screaming headache right now, and I am thru with all this stuff.

I can see my photo's on my computer and that is as far as I can go,
every time time, I follow whatever steps on whatever photo site,
ALL I get is errors in every way shape and form.   >:(

I am thru with it, not worth the aggravation I am going thru.

Thanks Guys, you tried........
Don
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Stinger177 on February 11, 2019, 12:43:06 AM
Thanks Guys

I have had NO success in everything I have tried on 3 different photo app's.

I got a screaming headache right now, and I am thru with all this stuff.

I can see my photo's on my computer and that is as far as I can go,
every time time, I follow whatever steps on whatever photo site,
ALL I get is errors in every way shape and form.   >:(

I am thru with it, not worth the aggravation I am going thru.

Thanks Guys, you tried........
Don

I understand your frustration Don. It's late, tomorrow's another day. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

Would like to see what it is you have to share.


Dennis
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: maraudinglizard on February 11, 2019, 07:31:07 AM
I use imgur for my pics. Once up loaded, click on the photo, it will open up into another with only that photo, on the right side of the page below the codes is a selection of what size you want. Click on the selection you want then click on the code and copy, come back to your GTA page and paste. The preview your post to make sure the pic is the right size. I use the small and medium thumbnail to post with.

(https://proxy.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FZWaj8eR.png&f=1)
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: avator on February 11, 2019, 08:24:37 AM
Just e-mail the picture to yourself. It will resize itself.
If you have Windows 7 or higher use the "snipping tool" located in the "accessories".
Here is a full screen shot "snipped". Notice the file size.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: avator on February 11, 2019, 08:30:45 AM
Here is another for timing purposes. I didn't even have time to sip a beer.
It also contains the graphics to show picture quality.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: avator on February 11, 2019, 08:35:34 AM
Snip and save any portion of your screen. Here I snipped out Rambo from the previous post.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Wayne52 on February 11, 2019, 10:02:13 AM
Just for testing purposes I wanted to see if a 640x480 pixel crop would fit.  Once I selected the photo I then realized I could have gone bigger.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on February 11, 2019, 10:11:14 AM
Don,

  As others have said if you take the picture with your smartphone then email it to yourself it will show the resize option I usually resize to 30% with my Galaxy and it always posts my pictures here with no issues
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Back_Roads on February 11, 2019, 10:38:58 AM
 I was just wondering how many people know of the forums media library aka photo storage ???

https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=318 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?action=media;sa=album;in=318)
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Insanity on February 11, 2019, 07:51:44 PM
I didnt.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Akrazgpr on February 11, 2019, 08:14:42 PM
I had trouble with this today on my iPad, just email the pic to yourself and tap the on the word "images" in the email and choose a lower resolution. Then save the image that you just emailed yourself and use it in your post.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Blue on February 11, 2019, 08:38:51 PM
Don, I use an iPad for most of my posting here's what works for me.

I use an app called SimpleResize.  I found it through the apple App Store it has small ads but that's what makes it free.

I make sure the picture is saved in the Photos because the app lets you choose where you want to take a picture with the camera and resize it or select a photo already taken and resize that one.

There's a slider to select the reduced size (I usually use somewhere around 30%).  Then it prompts you to save it back to Photos.

You end up with two copies of the picture but you can select the second (smaller size) one to directly attach to your post via "Attachments and other options" below the text window.

Personally I'd rather be able to insert my pictures in with my text (like I can with a photo hosting service) and I'd rather not have two copies of a lot of pictures in my library.  BUT... I like the set-it-and-forget-it nature of posting the picture and not worrying about it disappearing in the future as whatever service goes out of business or makes a photobuckt-esque hostage situation.  As long as GTA is here for people looking for help, those pictures will be there to help them.

Hope this helps,
Blue
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Sfttailrdr46 on February 11, 2019, 08:50:52 PM
That's why I use my smartphone to take my pictures then email to myself  I periodically save the pictures to a thumb drive. and also back up my computer files to a 1 terabyte solid state hard drive my brother gave me
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Mole2017 on February 11, 2019, 10:33:14 PM
I don't use the image hosting sites. That means I have to attach them to posts and the end up at the end instead of mixed with the text, but it works. When I get pictures onto my computer, I resize them using the Microsoft Office Picture Manager as follows (three steps to go with the three pictures):

1. I right click on the picture, which opens a menu, in the middle of which is "open with...". Sliding the mouse over that shows me the list of applications I can open the picture with. I select Microsoft Office Picture Manager.

2. This opens the Picture Manager, where I select the "edit pictures" tab near the top (circled). This pops open a side bar with several useful functions. If I just want to resize, I go for that (also circled).

3. This opens the resize tools. I usually go for a percentage of the original. For my 16 MP camera, which creates files that are about 6.5 MB in size, that ends up being about 20% (shown). The Picture Manager shows what the new size in pixels. To see how big a file that is, you'll have to hit OK and save (CTRL-S) and hover the mouse over the picture. Before you hit save, hovering the mouse over the picture will show its present size, in this case 2.27 MB (this picture had been worked on already).

Paint can work, but it does some stuff in the background, usually reducing my picture size and my picture quality, so I use Paint carefully. The Microsoft Office Picture Manager is good enough for me until I need to mark up a picture. 
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Stinger177 on February 11, 2019, 11:02:07 PM
Thanks for that David. I just learned how to resize with MS Office Pic Manager thanks to you. I've been clicking on the EDIT tab at the top left of the menu bar instead of the Edit Pictures... tab.

I'll be using that instead of paint in the future, unless, as you say, I need to draw on it.

Something I don't understand is the relationship between pixel size and file size.

In looking at earlier posts;

Avator has a pic that is 121.84 kB, 1361x767 pixels.

Later on;

Wayne52 has a pic that is 394.3 kB, 640x480 pixels.

How can there be more kB's yet fewer pixels in Wayne's? Is it due to more detail (info) in Wayne's?

This begs me the question of, how, using MS Office Pic can one judge or show the size in kB's of a resized pic, since that is the parameter that GTA limits us with (650kB/pic)?
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: avator on February 12, 2019, 07:47:58 AM
Open the pics and you'll see them in their original resolution. The snipping tool just compresses the image smaller. Notice the picture of Rambo and compare the file and resolution sizes with that of the full screen shot that I snipped it from.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Mole2017 on February 12, 2019, 12:38:22 PM
Thanks for that David. I just learned how to resize with MS Office Pic Manager thanks to you. I've been clicking on the EDIT tab at the top left of the menu bar instead of the Edit Pictures... tab.

I'll be using that instead of paint in the future, unless, as you say, I need to draw on it.

Something I don't understand is the relationship between pixel size and file size.

...
You are welcome! I figured instructions with screen shots would be useful. But it turns out this conversation is helping me too...read on (or jump to the end).

As for file size, well, there it can get pretty weird. It comes down to number of pixels and compression.

In picture manager, resizing by changing the number of pixels as discussed above essentially works like area. If I go for 50% image size, I usually get a file size that is 25% of the original. 1/2 the dimensions becomes 1/4 the area. 33% (i.e. 1/3 image size, in pixels) becomes something like 1/9th the original file size in bytes. Usually once I get near about 800 pixels on one side of the picture, it will drop below that 650 MB limit for the GTA.

Now, emailing a picture to yourself results in a smaller file because the email software compresses the file in addition to maybe reducing the number of pixels too. A bitmap picture is a raw data image and is probably the largest file, pixel for pixel, or rather, bit for pixel. The JPEG format introduces varying levels of compression. It reduces the bits and bytes actually used to store the pixelated image. The result is that at too high compression the picture looks grainy (blocks, fat pixels, reduced color range), especially if you zoom in on the image. But compression is only bad when it is overdone. If it weren't for compression a lot of online music and video would be impossible. Even a DVDs use compression to get all the data for a movie on the disk and then to be able to play it back (actually two problems there--storage space and transfer rates). Have you watched YouTube videos at low resolution, especially those ones everybody has pirated from everybody else for the last 10 years? They usually download easily, but between compression and low resolution they look terrible.

You can actually set the compression levels on most cameras. I select the highest pixel counts, but then I tell it I also want superfine quality, i.e. minimal compression.

If Paint saves a file, especially a JPEG, it seems to automatically turn on some additional compression. Other than bitmap, PNG format in Paint seems pretty faithful to the image quality. In fact, Paint tells you: PNG is its high quality export/"save as" option, JPEG is a "good" quality option. Paint gives you no controls, but most software will let you set the level of compression (aka quality or file size). Picture Manager is able to read many formats, PNG included, and can export to other formats. So, here's an example:
    I take a 6.38 MB, 16 MPixel file into Paint and save it as PNG, I get a 13.6 MB file  :o, but still 16 MP. High quality image and huge.
    Taking that PNG file to Picture Manager, I can export to JPEG at differing levels of quality ("export" is below some of the save options under the "file" tab):
         Default JPEG export yields a file at about 950 kB. So, some compression applied.
         Asking for 100% high quality gives a file that is 6.22 MB (almost original size).
         80% quality gives a file that is 1.10 MB. Not quite as much compression as the default.
         60% quality gives a file that is 679 kB. Almost 1/10th the original file size!
         50% quality yields a 580 kB file. Good for the GTA! And still a 16 MP image, 4608x3456 pixels.
         40% quality yields a 498 kB file. 
         30% quality yields a 430 kB file.
         20% quality yields a 368 kB file. Wow, really small (~1/16th the original file size) but still 4608x3456 pixels, and only now do I start to see some graininess or blocks due to excessive compression.
 
So, resizing is good for creating smaller files, but explore that compression setting too! (Or just email it to yourself  ::)) Except that it is harder to use, it gives you a full size picture (pixels) with still very good detail that just resizing looses (see below).

But now the shocker: comparing these exported files, it is pretty hard to tell the differences until I get way down on the quality scale. Furthermore, if I use Picture Manager to just resize the original image to something about 640 kB (27% in my example I just tried it on) I get an image that looks worse than any of them! It is now 1244x933 pixels but looks blurry when compared to even the 20% quality file.

Here's a cropped side-by-side (er, over and under) comparison of a section of my 20% quality picture and the resized version--note the blurriness of the finer details. (This is a very dirty lens...) I'm impressed! I'll have to look into this the next time I'm posting some pictures  :P Thanks guys!
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: avator on February 12, 2019, 06:17:34 PM
I just open your picture in Photo Viewer and snipped the upper portion using Snipping Tool.
Notice how clear and the file size.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Nvreloader on February 12, 2019, 07:32:21 PM
Ok guys/gals and moderators,

I think, I have my photo's posted here, in the media section,
but I can't figure out how to get single photo's posted,
and the photos are in a story board? and not in the correct order,
I do have them number for the correct order.

Need some help how to get them in the correct order and into single photo's for posting etc.

I need some help, a lot of it.

Thank you,
Don
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Mole2017 on February 12, 2019, 07:40:07 PM
Bill, that is pretty impressive, though I kind of tricked you there. The comparison shot is from screen dumps of close-ups of each file where I made no attempt at file reduction after the screen dump. So it can only compares resolution. The actual clipped files were 35 kB (compressed) and 93 kB (resized).

Nonetheless, that clipping tool is impressive. I've pinned it to my task bar for future use. Here is what I got when I went at the original file, zoomed in on the target area for as near a "full screen" clip as I could get and got the result below. Only slightly larger than yours because the actual screen size was slightly larger when I snipped it.

Looks like for best results, just start with a full screen view and clip away. The screen shot forces a virtual resize (wide and height of your view), and the clipping tool then smacks a pretty heavy but satisfactory compression on it. I'll have to try it on the next post.

Note to others: In windows 10, get on the start menu using the mouse or by CTRL-ESC and go way to the end for "Windows accessories". Since it is such a pain to access that way, right click on it when you get there and "pin" it either to "Start" or "Taskbar" (under "more").

For the sake of reference, let me add the original picture that these are cropped from. The target area is in fact a very small portion. This file is the "20% quality" version.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Mole2017 on February 12, 2019, 07:55:52 PM
Ok guys/gals and moderators,

I think, I have my photo's posted here, in the media section,
but I can't figure out how to get single photo's posted,
and the photos are in a story board? and not in the correct order,
I do have them number for the correct order.

Need some help how to get them in the correct order and into single photo's for posting etc.

I need some help, a lot of it.

Thank you,
Don

I'm interested to find out how this works too. I can see that you've added to the album, but the settings must be private somehow--I can't view your pictures like I can some of the others. Also, did you have to resize them to load them to the album?
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Nvreloader on February 12, 2019, 08:34:52 PM
David
I am NOT sure what happened to the photo's,
I think I followed the instructions, so I don't know what happened that they don't show up.

I am hoping that a moderator steps in and provides some help for me.

I think that once the photo's are posted in correct order, every thing will be self explanatory,
and I can fill in the blanks or answer any questions etc.

I cropped them down to show intent, then added some text etc.
Then I thought, I loaded them to the media section, but I didn't do some right.

I can't find a way to email them to person, for posting etc.

The ease of adjustment for sizing works very well,
once you have the 3 parts made for the press and pellets you want to resize,
I am finding out that I need to make different base/skirt sizing pins for the different brands of pellets,
as the base dimensions are NOT the same etc.

You can also change the HP pin out for whatever you want, within reason,
I am attempting to make a round domed nosed HP to fit OEM Crosmans pellets,
and then I test for accuracy with my 79 etc.

Tia,
Don
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: avator on February 13, 2019, 08:24:29 AM
I know I'm beating a dead horse here but I was just curious. I took your original pic and zoomed in on the inside of the scope. Then I snipped a section of it. Again, the file size and clarity is impressive. The first pic is yours
Just click on the  second pic below and maximize your screen.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Josan on February 13, 2019, 08:41:18 AM
I use FileBlender. You can batch convert a set of photos to a smaller size. Really easy. For a single pic on your PC you could use paint. Something like 900x600 pixels is OK for a forum.

https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/file_blender.html (https://www.majorgeeks.com/files/details/file_blender.html)
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: avator on February 13, 2019, 08:53:50 AM
Thanks Jo, I grabbed it to play with.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Mole2017 on February 13, 2019, 09:40:57 AM
Yes, thanks Jo! I'll have a look too.

Bill, I won't tempt you with the uncompressed version  ;). That snip tool grabs what it sees pretty faithfully.

Now to see if I can get the media section to work...Don got further than I did. I've found where to create a media album, but I'm not seeing how to put the files in. I'm suspecting I have to finish the preliminaries first and then can add pictures...
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Stinger177 on February 13, 2019, 09:43:31 AM
Where does one find this snip tool?
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Mole2017 on February 13, 2019, 10:08:24 AM
Where does one find this snip tool?

In windows 10, get on the start menu using the mouse or by CTRL-ESC and go way to the end for "Windows accessories". Since it is such a pain to access that way, right click on it when you get there and "pin" it either to "Start" or "Taskbar" (under "more").
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Wayne52 on February 13, 2019, 10:13:07 AM
I did this one in 900x600 JPG  in png it would have been too big.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Stinger177 on February 13, 2019, 10:28:30 AM
This little guy, right? Mine is called a snipping tool, some here call it a clip tool. It's the same thing, no?

(https://i.postimg.cc/3RNWCxdR/snip-tool-icon.jpg)
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Mole2017 on February 13, 2019, 11:27:06 AM
This little guy, right? Mine is called a snipping tool, some here call it a clip tool. It's the same thing, no?

(https://i.postimg.cc/3RNWCxdR/snip-tool-icon.jpg)

Yes that's it. Snip, clip...
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: avator on February 13, 2019, 01:05:02 PM
Yep, I pinned it to my task bar at the bottom of the desktop. It's at the ready anytime I want it. It is in Windows 7 and above.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Mole2017 on February 13, 2019, 01:25:07 PM
Well, I managed to load some files to the media section (find the link on just about any page--betweeen "calendar" and "members"). First I had to create a media folder. I gave it a name and description, picked one file for an icon and left everything else alone. After hitting submit, I could look at My Albums from the Media page, select my album and add files. My Flash and Javascript aren't turned on properly for a mass upload, but one at a time worked ok.

Now let's see if I can "add" some pictures from there to this post. To do that, I go to one of the images in my album, pick my picture and look at its details (option appears at the lower right side of the picture). From the details page, just grab the "BBC embed code" and paste that directly to your posting with no other "code". Use Preview to see if it worked.

Here's the property lines of an 11 acre site that I hunt woodchucks on:
[smg id=6223]

And here is a view looking south from the north end:
[smg id=6218]

Wow. I'm on a new level here  8)
The images are opening a little on the small size because of the number of pixels--they were resized to smaller pictures. Had I used larger files (more pixels), but compressed to meet the size limit, which is about 1 MB in the media section, I think they'd look a lot bigger. 

...can't resist trying another posting method. Here's one using the "direct link" info from the picture details inserted with the "insert image" flags (use the button next to the facebook button).
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6217)

Hmm. Nice. But it can't be clicked on. Well, it might be useful sometime.
Title: Re: Photo resizing /
Post by: Stinger177 on February 13, 2019, 01:55:36 PM
This little guy, right? Mine is called a snipping tool, some here call it a clip tool. It's the same thing, no?

(https://i.postimg.cc/3RNWCxdR/snip-tool-icon.jpg)

Yes that's it. Snip, clip...

I pinned that to my task bar about six months ago, mainly for taking screenshots. Have now found a new use for it.

Thanks!