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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #20 on: July 11, 2021, 12:56:48 AM »
Here's a set up to do it.
I even use this for my CG to use 12 gram instead of filling the original bottles.
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2021, 09:13:36 PM »
Cooool! Did you make that yourself? Parts list? Or maybe make another for $???
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2021, 09:23:41 PM »
Hey Dave S.  Sooooo. Over the last week or so I've managed to get a nice 2nd variation 130 in hand, I have a MKII and a 150 on the way, and ,I just got a 116 in the original box, with an original Crosman black steel co2 tank that works, and still has gas in it. Tested both the 112 and the 116 and both function correctly with small leaks. Unfortunately every one of them  needs a seal job. I guess I will be learning the ins and outs of Crosman pistol repair one model at a time! LOL.
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2021, 09:51:19 PM »
Cooool! Did you make that yourself? Parts list? Or maybe make another for $???

Mac 1 has the adapter
Ebay has a bunch of the 12 gram chargers

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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #24 on: July 17, 2021, 11:56:08 AM »
Hey Dave S.  Sooooo. Over the last week or so I've managed to get a nice 2nd variation 130 in hand, I have a MKII and a 150 on the way, and ,I just got a 116 in the original box, with an original Crosman black steel co2 tank that works, and still has gas in it. Tested both the 112 and the 116 and both function correctly with small leaks. Unfortunately every one of them  needs a seal job. I guess I will be learning the ins and outs of Crosman pistol repair one model at a time! LOL.

All of the guns listed above are great choices. Be sure to use 90 D White Urethane O-Rings in everything! As far as Filling 12 gr. Carts is concerned....Big waste of time in my opinion. The 10 or 20 oz bottles would be a much better option and those should be frozen first, filled from a 20 lb.siphon Tank, and carefully weighed. All of the guns you listed can be easily Bulk-Fed. If you're in this for the long haul, this is the only way to go! You already have the vintage 10 oz  Crosman Bottle. A 20 lb Siphon. Tank will set you back around $200.00 and will have to be Hydro tested every 5 years. Add in the slide check valve, Quick couplings,  CGA 320 adapter, and Bulk-Feed adapters for each gun....yes, more money! I do have a 112 and 116, and this was an easy choice for me because I started doing all of this over 30 years ago and have over 20 Bulk-Fed Rifles, Pistols, and Full-Auto BB machine Guns. For me it is well worth it.....for you...maybe not . There's no such thing as a "Cheap Hobby!" For me, it's all in or none.  Just a Thought! dave
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2021, 08:18:45 AM »
  A perpetual scrounger, I managed to find a 20 pounder at an estate sale for $5.  Of course, a hydro test was needed, got that and the first fill for $65.  The tank hadn't been used in 50 years and was fine, ready to go.  No siphon, so I made a wooden stand to hold it upside down.  A scale is important to be sure your small tank isn't over-filled.  I vent off any excess CO2 before it warms to room temp.  The same scale is handy to see how much goes from paintball tank into gun.
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2021, 09:10:51 AM »
  A perpetual scrounger, I managed to find a 20 pounder at an estate sale for $5.  Of course, a hydro test was needed, got that and the first fill for $65.  The tank hadn't been used in 50 years and was fine, ready to go.  No siphon, so I made a wooden stand to hold it upside down.  A scale is important to be sure your small tank isn't over-filled.  I vent off any excess CO2 before it warms to room temp.  The same scale is handy to see how much goes from paintball tank into gun.

Great find, Terry! ;) I keep score on each newly filled 20 lb. Siphon Tank. I average about 12 fills into the 20 oz Paintball Bottles which translates to 75% of the tank being viable....the remaining 25% is useless gas. Not bad for around $40.00 a tank fill!  8) dave
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2021, 09:29:02 AM »
Using the 12 gram charger to refill a bulk pistol is so simple and WAY cheaper to do if you only have one or two guns to deal with, especially if you don't shoot much.

And not many people are carrying around a 20oz, or even a 4oz bottle to refill guns in the field.  A pocket of 12 grams and the charger in your back pocket works just as good without 20lb tanks, to fill your 20oz or other bottles, so you can fill your pistols or rifles, all the while limiting your shots to what's in your gun... unless you want to carry a big co2 tank with you as well.

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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2021, 01:33:39 PM »
Using the 12 gram charger to refill a bulk pistol is so simple and WAY cheaper to do if you only have one or two guns to deal with, especially if you don't shoot much.

And not many people are carrying around a 20oz, or even a 4oz bottle to refill guns in the field.  A pocket of 12 grams and the charger in your back pocket works just as good without 20lb tanks, to fill your 20oz or other bottles, so you can fill your pistols or rifles, all the while limiting your shots to what's in your gun... unless you want to carry a big co2 tank with you as well.

Couple of questions. What are you using to charge your 12 gr carts? Are you freezing the carts before filling and weighing the carts against the TARE weight? One more thing...it's not a good idea to leave any CO2 gun uncharged.... for several good reasons!   Just my 2 cents! dave
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2021, 04:07:08 PM »
It seems to me the model 112 bulk fill would need more than 12g's for a decent enough fill to shoot properly/to full extent? I have one I need to try before doing anything else. Gotta hit up mac1 for the fill kit. Don't want to attach anything to shoot, just fill.

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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #30 on: July 19, 2021, 04:15:48 PM »
Using the 12 gram charger to refill a bulk pistol is so simple and WAY cheaper to do if you only have one or two guns to deal with, especially if you don't shoot much.

And not many people are carrying around a 20oz, or even a 4oz bottle to refill guns in the field.  A pocket of 12 grams and the charger in your back pocket works just as good without 20lb tanks, to fill your 20oz or other bottles, so you can fill your pistols or rifles, all the while limiting your shots to what's in your gun... unless you want to carry a big co2 tank with you as well.

Couple of questions. What are you using to charge your 12 gr carts? Are you freezing the carts before filling and weighing the carts against the TARE weight? One more thing...it's not a good idea to leave any CO2 gun uncharged.... for several good reasons!   Just my 2 cents! dave

Why would you even try to refill a 12gram
You take a NEW 12gram, put it the "charger" ... that's what the paintball guys call it,  attach it to the bulk pistol, pop open the NEW 12 gram, filling the gun and then remove the device.

Gun goes empty, put another NEW 12 gram into the device attach to gun and fill the gun.

No one is refilling used 12grams. I posted a picture above with the unit attached to a pistol, along with screen shots of the two things needed to do this.

It's simple, cheap, and most importantly...portable
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #31 on: July 19, 2021, 06:56:43 PM »
It seems to me the model 112 bulk fill would need more than 12g's for a decent enough fill to shoot properly/to full extent? I have one I need to try before doing anything else. Gotta hit up mac1 for the fill kit. Don't want to attach anything to shoot, just fill.



Try (2) 12 gr. FACTORY carts on that one! :D  I say this because trying to fill a refillable 12 gm. cart....you really have to know what you're doing. Factory carts usually average between 11.8 and 12.1 gm. per fill between different manufacturers. . Knowing how to achieve this is another story.Temperatures and the filling process are an exact science, not to be taken lightly. Most novices will under fill....which is fortunate. Overfilling can be Dangerous! On a 20 oz Bottle freezing at +7 degrees F. I feel safe! I can bleed of the extra 1 to 1.5 oz at room temp by topping off a few guns by bringing  the pressure down to 20 oz. at 72 F. This is the Safe Zone!.......... On those little Carts... I have no Idea.   ??? dave
 
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #32 on: July 21, 2021, 06:20:12 PM »
It sounds like you're talking about refilling the capsules? Idk how much the tube under the barrel holds? Wanna get an adaptor with a regulator to fill it.
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #33 on: July 21, 2021, 06:53:30 PM »
It's my understanding that we're talking about filling bulk guns FROM 12-gram cartridges.  1900Colt's post at the top shows a very cool adaptor for that purpose.

I can't think of a method to fill a 12-gram cartridge in a way that would allow it to be separated from the filling mechanism without dumping the gas.

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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2021, 07:42:52 PM »
Hello Everyone,

I am working on a Crosman Model 113 .177 caliber Co2 Bulk Fill Air Rifle. Here is the setup I just purchased from Mac1 for filling my 113 (This setup is what Tim told me to use when I spoke with him about needed items):
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/quick-co2-filler-w-bleeder-p/m1ttslqc.htm ($50.00)
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/male-quick-connect-p/psi18mqc.htm ($6.00)
Shipping ($8.00)
20 ounce paintball tank from local sporting goods store: ($24.99)
Co2 Tank Fill ($3.25)
Seal kit: ($21.95)
Total cost of fill system setup and seal kit: $114.19

In my opinion what Tim reccomended I purchase is the only reliable way and closest to original intent to properly fill a bulk fill Co2 Airgun of any type in modern times.
I thought about the adapter as well but came to understand it most likely would need to remain in place and potentially creating an obstruction of the barrel. 

Total cost of my 113 restoration project: $214.19
Model 113 purchase price: $25.00
Adapter parts, tank and seal kit: $114.19
Rear sight, front plug, safety spring and steel balls and butt plate: $75.00

While this appears to be alot I am doing it for myself not for resale so cost is relative when it comes to fun and wanting to see this one work like it did 60+ years ago and besides now I am setup for other bul fill airguns if I wish to pursue other models.
 
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2021, 09:37:21 PM »
Hello Everyone,

I am working on a Crosman Model 113 .177 caliber Co2 Bulk Fill Air Rifle. Here is the setup I just purchased from Mac1 for filling my 113 (This setup is what Tim told me to use when I spoke with him about needed items):
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/quick-co2-filler-w-bleeder-p/m1ttslqc.htm ($50.00)
http://www.mac1airgunshop.com/male-quick-connect-p/psi18mqc.htm ($6.00)
Shipping ($8.00)
20 ounce paintball tank from local sporting goods store: ($24.99)
Co2 Tank Fill ($3.25)
Seal kit: ($21.95)
Total cost of fill system setup and seal kit: $114.19

In my opinion what Tim reccomended I purchase is the only reliable way and closest to original intent to properly fill a bulk fill Co2 Airgun of any type in modern times.
I thought about the adapter as well but came to understand it most likely would need to remain in place and potentially creating an obstruction of the barrel. 

Total cost of my 113 restoration project: $214.19
Model 113 purchase price: $25.00
Adapter parts, tank and seal kit: $114.19
Rear sight, front plug, safety spring and steel balls and butt plate: $75.00

While this appears to be alot I am doing it for myself not for resale so cost is relative when it comes to fun and wanting to see this one work like it did 60+ years ago and besides now I am setup for other bul fill airguns if I wish to pursue other models.
 
 I've know Tim for over 30+ years now. He'll NEVER steer you wrong! 8) Welcome to the Club! ;) dave
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #36 on: July 22, 2021, 08:37:56 AM »
  There are some rather confusing posts in this thread.

  I've never tried one of these 12 gram "fill" devices but, most bulk fill guns have a much greater capacity than 12 grams.  A Crosman 114 rifle safely holds around 70 grams.  When mine are down to 12, they are about to the point where velocity and consistency are dropping off, I usually top them off before that.  I would be interested to try one of these gizmos to see how well it worked loading multiple 12 gram carts into a gun.  Tedious but probably works fine, does anyone do this?
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #37 on: July 22, 2021, 10:16:44 AM »
  There are some rather confusing posts in this thread.

  I've never tried one of these 12 gram "fill" devices but, most bulk fill guns have a much greater capacity than 12 grams.  A Crosman 114 rifle safely holds around 70 grams.  When mine are down to 12, they are about to the point where velocity and consistency are dropping off, I usually top them off before that.  I would be interested to try one of these gizmos to see how well it worked loading multiple 12 gram carts into a gun.  Tedious but probably works fine, does anyone do this?

I've seen a lot of "Gizmo's" in my time! I'll add this one to the list! ;) dave
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #38 on: July 22, 2021, 12:12:46 PM »
I was hoping it wouldn't need seals? But I'm prepared for the worst. I have the tools and time...
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Re: 12gr. Powerlet adapter to bulk fill my Crosman 112
« Reply #39 on: July 23, 2021, 04:35:32 PM »
I was hoping it wouldn't need seals? But I'm prepared for the worst. I have the tools and time...

DB! I have a 112 and 116. Replace the seals with 90 D Urethane... problem was that little Flat Gasket sealing the filling valve. Tim only had one left in his drawer. Got lucky! An O ring will NOT work!
If those aren't available, I figured on using 5 minute epoxy in place of the little flat gasket. Works great in static situation like this! Just a thought! dave
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