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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => Air Gun Gate => Topic started by: ezman604 on October 16, 2015, 05:05:30 PM
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Okay, here is the beginning of a thread pertaining to all things CDT triggers. Let me give you a brief story and the reason for this thread.
Bob (the original CharlieDaTuna) retired a few years back from the trigger business. When he retired, he sold the trigger business to Gene. Gene and wife Cathy took over and nothing really changed. The same machinist is doing the same work, same folks are adding the anodized finish and each trigger is hand calibrated with the exact same jigs as from the beginning. Gene had involved Cathy in the trigger business and spent quite a bit of time going over all of the details after finding out about his health issues.
Cathy has been doing the CDT trigger business by herself since around November 2014. She has no plans on stopping either, and that's good for us.
She has turned to me for help with the CDT website and I am advising with an overdue facelift. :)
Since she does not have access to ALL the types, kinds and brands of airguns (nobody that I know of does) she can certainly use our help from time to time staying up to date. Folks, we REALLY want these fantastic triggers (GRT-III, CBR & GRT-4G) to remain available to us. They are by FAR the most economical and easiest improvement anyone can do to an airgun they fit.
So what I would ask of you is this. Please look at the present list of airguns that these triggers will work in.
http://www.charliedatuna.com/Place%20Order%20non%20PP.htm (http://www.charliedatuna.com/Place%20Order%20non%20PP.htm)
If you have installed a CDT trigger in an airgun that is not listed on the site, please post it here and send me a message. I'll try to keep an up to date list and to keep the site as current as possible. And if you have a question about a particular airgun and a CDT trigger, please post that here also. We will try to help you determine if one of these triggers will work. A good close up picture or two of your trigger group would help us help you. :)
So, let's do what we can to help Cathy and to show our support to keep this line of triggers available to all.
Thanks for your help!!!!
SAFE & Happy Shooting!!!!
Dave
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Looks like I found the right gate as I'm trying to find out if the GRT III trigger will fit my Hatsan Edge .25 Vortex and springer and if it does, you can add those rifles to the list, sooo....I will more than happily send the lady my money for these triggers, but being cautious as always, I wanted to post a couple pics of my rifle triggers (they both have the same one) and get however many opinions show up. I'm very new to the whole tuning and upgrading thing, but as far as I can see, the GRT III should work, please let me know what you think and thanks in advance for any advice!!!
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The GRT-4G Trigger will fit the Buccaneer pcp, You do have to separate the receiver from the tube because it has a dowel pin that goes through the tube to the trigger housing, you cannot get the cover off the trigger housing without removing it. Be carefull because there is a spring and detent ball and the tp and also a small pin that will fall out. David
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Stand by...the CDT website is undergoing a major facelift. We are working to unclutter it, update it and make it more visitor friendly. This will take a bit of time but keep watching. The "About" page will be updated to tell the "CharlieDaTuna" story. Thanks to all that continue the support to insure we have these fantastic triggers available!!!
http://charliedatuna.com (http://charliedatuna.com)
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I have an older Gamo 880 Hunter that I just added the GRTIII trigger to. Great upgrade!
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I just ordered my GTR-4G. Can't wait to install it. Only heard great things about.
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I visited the web site a couple of times I really wanted a trigger for my trail np2 but the site is hard to navigate and it seems you can not order directly from the site. Sure would be nice if they took PayPal or offered the trigger on Amazon.
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I wonder why they won't ship outside the USA.
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They are available outside the US from the distributors.
Check the order page.
To our European customers
European customers can order directly from our only European distributor:
Dutch or English (European buyers)
http://charliedatuna.com/Place%20Order%20non%20PP.htm (http://charliedatuna.com/Place%20Order%20non%20PP.htm)
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Installed GRT-IV on Gamo Rocket DX 1250, fits and works perfectly, previously had plastic trigger.
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Mailed my $ to Cathy Curtis
the GRTIII trigger arrived 8 days later
Took -TIMED- 14 minutes to install it in my Crosman Phantom NP .22-this includes stock off stock on-
the only instructions I used was the simple U-TUBE 2:30 video-
no reading just monkey see monkey do
(I am old so I usually prefer written instructions and paper maps)-but the u-tube video was fine
Works GREAT right out of the box with whatever setting it is on-my standing freehand open sight groups were cut in half(not that great-bad eyes low bar-)
The trigger-actually works a tiny bit better(suits me better) than the T06 in my RWS 460
Anyway the best $33 aftermarket mod. you will ever do-
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Since they won't ship outside the US, I guess being a Canadian I'll have to settle for one of the knock offs ☹️
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Check the link, they do have distributors for orders outside the USA. I wouldn't suggest buying the knock-off trigger and definitely advise you not to discuss them here.
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Think we got that one figured out and taken care of.
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Let us know how it goes Kevin!!!
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Thanks for hooking me up Dave. Trigger is installed, had to do a little filing but it works great. Hard to believe the difference it makes, I didn't like shooting the Trail before the swap and now it is a pleasure to shoot.
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Just today I installed a CDT III Trigger on a friend's Stoeger X20S .22 cal air rifle. It was very easy, just as shown by the video and written instructions found online. And the results were way beyond expectations. WELL worth the money, and then some.
When I test fired it it was a surprise when it fired -- as it should be. I followed instructions and did not adjust it in any way.
If I buy an air rifle with this trigger group I'll certainly add the CDT III trigger, no question.
Paul C.
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Ciao,
Does any one know how to reset the GRTIII back to factory settings? Or direct me to existing instructions?
I installed it to my Hunter Extreme and boy what a difference it made. The problem is that i tried to make it "even better" and soon lost the first stage completely and so on. Classic. Its still far better than the original though.
I tried to look for instructions on the GDT website but couldnt find any.
Thanks,..
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http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm (http://charliedatuna.com/GRT-III%20Trigger%20New.htm)
Down toward the bottom of the page is Installing the GRT-III. There is a troubleshooting guide that should help you get it reset.
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Cheers mate I found it!
-Seppo
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Just wanted to add a few thoughts in case there are any other complete amateurs like me here thinking of switching to a GRTIII trigger...
I put it on my Gamo Hunter Extreme SE and the procedure was very easy and fast with youtube instructions and it made the gun infinitely better - close to being manageable for a beginner))
The manual that comes with the trigger says not to do anything before reading it. This time it's actually true. So read it. I didn't.
Here's what I would recommend to novice shooters after making the upgrade: Dont adjust anything on the trigger before shooting at least a hundred pellets with it. It will most likely feel very different from the original trigger and that alone is something to get used to. Especially dont touch the first stage adjustment. Dont touch anything actually if it works. You will have time to fine tune it once you've gotten to know each other. If you tinker too much with first stage adjustment screw it will get loose and fall off trust me. It is not meant for that.
Also the "bump" or the beginning of the second stage is as it says on the manual very very slight. So much so that I missed it all together at first because I was used to the 1000lb trigger pull weight of the original Gamo trigger!
All this is of course obvious to more experienced shooters and there's probably lots more and better advice out there but I hope this will help at least some one.
Cheers!
-Seppo
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Great advice Seppo.
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I wonder why they won't ship outside the USA.
FA and AG parts are often indistinguishable making passing FA export restrictions very difficult, therefore not worth it.
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The reason for not selling outside the US given by Bob Werner, as I recall, was he tired of completing the necessary export paperwork. It was far easier for him to limit sales to inside the US.
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Just the guy I wanted to talk to..... Thomas... what kind of advantage will I get from putting the GRT 4G in the FireCat (my chopped Gamo Silent Cat). I know you are the Gamo Springer Guru. My only experience with the CDT was the GRT III I put in the Crosman Vantage NP and it was a completely blissful world. The FireCat is so dead on accurate the way it is and the only time I miss what I aim at out to 40 yds is when I jerk that Gaud Aweful trigger.
Thanks
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OleTomCat is the Gamo go to guy. This was a case of mistaken identification.
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I'll be danged, you are right.... I'm gonna go take my meds now.
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Hi All,
Sorry to ask what is possibly a really stupid question but are the CRT-4G triggers still available from the charliedatuna site? I was/am hesitant to blindly send $36 cash to someone in SC so I decided to email them first to at least make sure there was a live person on the other end. This was a couple of days ago but I never received a response.
So... from everything I can tell it seems legit but I would feel better sending cash if I could get a response.
Very kind regards,
tim
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Hi All,
Sorry to ask what is possibly a really stupid question but are the CRT-4G triggers still available from the charliedatuna site? I was/am hesitant to blindly send $36 cash to someone in SC so I decided to email them first to at least make sure there was a live person on the other end. This was a couple of days ago but I never received a response.
So... from everything I can tell it seems legit but I would feel better sending cash if I could get a response.
Very kind regards,
tim
It's totally legit. Someone else will probably post details, but they've been selling the triggers like that for a while now. No worries whatsoever ordering.
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Cathy is having major computer issues right now. Hers has crashed, the one she uses to fill orders and respond to email. I will be trying to revive it to recover her CDT business info this week, the computer is on it's way to me. Hang tight and pray I can recover it. But a big yes, she and the CDT business is very legit!!!!
This forum would not be here if not for CDT.
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Thanks guys and good luck getting Cathy back up and running. I'll drop the cash in the mail today!
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Tim (and anyone else needing to order now) I have Cathy's personal email I'll send you. She will respond to it. Just tell her you were given her email by me while we are getting her computer back up and going.
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Hi all,
I'm Foz, I live in the UK.
I recently bought a Stoeger X20, and I bought a GRT iii trigger to replace the original one as it's a bit rubbish.
I'm having problems with the GRT iii, though. I have had a search but I can't find anything that has helped me.
I followed all of the instructions when fitting the trigger. But after fitting the trigger the gun wouldn't cock. I'm not 100% sure on terminology here, but I believe I'm right in saying the sear wouldn't engage. I checked the troubleshooting guide and it talks about making sure the trigger blade is seated properly on the trigger - i checked and it is. As per the guide, I've filed down where my safety and beartrap are to allow clearance.
The only way I can get the gun to cock, is if I turn the 1st stage screw all of the way out (so it is barely touching the trigger blade), and the 2nd stage screw most of the way in (which means i have no second stage) - even then it fires with a tiny tiny bit of movement on the trigger, and even fires with the safety on.
If I put the original trigger back on, it cocks as expected and shoots as expected - although now I can shoot through the safety since it has been filed down to accomodate the other trigger.
With the original trigger on, when I pull the trigger I get no play in the trigger blade, until it reaches the point where it puts pressure on it. With the GRT I get a tiny amount of play in the trigger blade before it puts any pressure on it/reaches the second stage (When it is set up to have a second stage, but doesn't cock).
The GRT trigger feels great when it's on, but the gun isn't safe with it installed.
I've had the trigger on and off so many times now trying to work this out - several hours of my time pondering to what is causing it but I can't work it out.
Does anyone have any advise for me please?
Thanks,
Foz
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Cathy's rebuilt computer is scheduled to deliver to her today. I have forwarded all new email from the CDT site to her up until I shipped her computer Monday. If you have placed an order or sent a message, you can expect to hear something later this evening or tomorrow at the latest. That is, if it still works and was delivered in descent shape. :)
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Hi all,
I'm Foz, I live in the UK.
I recently bought a Stoeger X20, and I bought a GRT iii trigger to replace the original one as it's a bit rubbish.
I'm having problems with the GRT iii, though. I have had a search but I can't find anything that has helped me.
I followed all of the instructions when fitting the trigger. But after fitting the trigger the gun wouldn't cock. I'm not 100% sure on terminology here, but I believe I'm right in saying the sear wouldn't engage. I checked the troubleshooting guide and it talks about making sure the trigger blade is seated properly on the trigger - i checked and it is. As per the guide, I've filed down where my safety and beartrap are to allow clearance.
The only way I can get the gun to cock, is if I turn the 1st stage screw all of the way out (so it is barely touching the trigger blade), and the 2nd stage screw most of the way in (which means i have no second stage) - even then it fires with a tiny tiny bit of movement on the trigger, and even fires with the safety on.
If I put the original trigger back on, it cocks as expected and shoots as expected - although now I can shoot through the safety since it has been filed down to accomodate the other trigger.
With the original trigger on, when I pull the trigger I get no play in the trigger blade, until it reaches the point where it puts pressure on it. With the GRT I get a tiny amount of play in the trigger blade before it puts any pressure on it/reaches the second stage (When it is set up to have a second stage, but doesn't cock).
The GRT trigger feels great when it's on, but the gun isn't safe with it installed.
I've had the trigger on and off so many times now trying to work this out - several hours of my time pondering to what is causing it but I can't work it out.
Does anyone have any advise for me please?
Thanks,
Foz
Hey Foz, sorry for the issues and the lack of answers you have gotten. I am really up to my ears in work and not had time to investigate by opening my X20 to take a look. Gene installed mine while doing a NP conversion to it but I don't believe he had to do any filing of anything. And to me, it sounds like the filing has caused the safety to now not function at all. NOT good.
If you can, please take some close up photos of the trigger assembly. As detailed as you can. It's really hard to troubleshoot without having it in front of me but we will try. Shipping back and forth would be very costly too. :)
But we will try to help.
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Hey Foz, sorry for the issues and the lack of answers you have gotten. I am really up to my ears in work and not had time to investigate by opening my X20 to take a look. Gene installed mine while doing a NP conversion to it but I don't believe he had to do any filing of anything. And to me, it sounds like the filing has caused the safety to now not function at all. NOT good.
If you can, please take some close up photos of the trigger assembly. As detailed as you can. It's really hard to troubleshoot without having it in front of me but we will try. Shipping back and forth would be very costly too. :)
But we will try to help.
Hi - Yes of course, no problem :)
I can accept the safety not working if I have filed it down too far, as I know I can fix that by either replacing the part or extending it slightly with a weld and some filing. My main issue is with the trigger being so sensitive, that if put my finger on the trigger (no pressure) it fires - and to get it to this point, where the gun will cock and not fire itself when I close the barrel, I have to back out both of the adjustment screws so that they do nothing - which defeats the purpose of having this trigger.
I will get some pictures as requested :)
Thanks again for any assistance.
Foz
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I just found this thread and have been trying to reach Cathy but have had no reply.
I even tried another email account I have today.
Is she a member of this board? I have an aversion to sending someone money when I cannot contact them.
Edit:
Is a $100 dollar rifle worth a $30 trigger?
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She hasn't mentioned having email or computer issues but I'll check with her. and send her a link to this thread.
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Thanks.
I had another member email her for me a couple of days ago but still no reply.
I'll wait.
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Contact received from Cathy.
Thnx
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;D
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Is a $100 dollar rifle worth a $30 trigger?
Now that will bring you a lot of different opinions.
There is no finer trigger then the CTD triggers and many complain about the trigger on $100 guns.
Ya kind of got what you paid for at $100 right?
You have the option to get a better gun or throw money at that $100 gun.
Now the right stuff and a little work can make a $100 gun a fantastic shooter for what you have in it.
It will never be up there with the High end guns but will be better then stock.
There's a feeling of doing a good job when we can make a so so gun a nice little gun.
It may not be worth the cost to some but to many of us?
It's part of the thrill.
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Jeff, that's a darn good answer, IMHO.
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I thought I had posted a reply but am unable to find it!
Payment for the trigger has been sent. This is what I am trying to cure.
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I just found this thread and have been trying to reach Cathy but have had no reply.
I even tried another email account I have today.
Is she a member of this board? I have an aversion to sending someone money when I cannot contact them....
I bought a trigger about 2 months ago through the web site with no problems. I understand your concern and the web site is a bit strange, but I did what they asked and the trigger arrived like they said it would. No problems.
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Is a $100 dollar rifle worth a $30 trigger?
What's it worth without it? I'd agree you shouldn't have to replace the trigger, but your $130 rifle is going to be more than $30 better than what you started with.
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Same thing for me!
Just beating the bushes, seeing if everything at CDT Trigger is ok and they're still up and running? It appears they are, so I'll sit tight another week and see what happens.
I followed the instructions on the website and then sent a cash payment several weeks ago. Then a follow up email a couple of days ago just to confirm the payment had been recieved? No reply, yet.
Anyway, I'll give to the end of the week, then try something else.......
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I did get mine. I think Cathy has computer problems from time to time. Someone here ( was it Roadworthy??) contacted her for me.
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I think DeZ mentioned that Cathy will be adding Paypal to the website. If she does, it should speed things up quite a bit. If not, they are well worth the wait.
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Just sent Cathy a message and advised her to bookmark this thread. And there may be some email traffic issues. We should hear back from her shortly.
Updating the website is something she wants to do but the cost is roughly $600. But I'm sure she will be doing it soon. It will boost her business QUITE a bit IMHO.
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Same thing for me!
Just beating the bushes, seeing if everything at CDT Trigger is ok and they're still up and running? It appears they are, so I'll sit tight another week and see what happens.
I followed the instructions on the website and then sent a cash payment several weeks ago. Then a follow up email a couple of days ago just to confirm the payment had been recieved? No reply, yet.
Anyway, I'll give to the end of the week, then try something else.......
Cathy says she does not see any email from you. Shoot me your name and mailing address and I'll send that to her.
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Same thing for me!
Just beating the bushes, seeing if everything at CDT Trigger is ok and they're still up and running? It appears they are, so I'll sit tight another week and see what happens.
I followed the instructions on the website and then sent a cash payment several weeks ago. Then a follow up email a couple of days ago just to confirm the payment had been recieved? No reply, yet.
Anyway, I'll give to the end of the week, then try something else.......
Cathy says she does not see any email from you. Shoot me your name and mailing address and I'll send that to her.
Dave
Thanks, recieved the triggers today.
Yeah, she's right! The email I thought I sent last week, somehow got hung up in the "outbox". I didn't notice it until a couple of days ago, before resending it again. So, by the time she recieved it, she had probably already shipped the triggers.
Thanks again for your help.
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I'm sure this question has been fielded numerous times...but real quick, please and thank you....
I just received my Benjamin NP2 SBD .22 today...is it known for sure which trigger I can order? Thank you!
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I'm sure this question has been fielded numerous times...but real quick, please and thank you....
I just received my Benjamin NP2 SBD .22 today...is it known for sure which trigger I can order? Thank you!
I believe it's the CBR trigger. Someone will correct me if that's wrong.
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installed a cdt trigger in my trail n/p rifle 3-4 yrs. ago and worked great (about 1/2 in. take up and nice crisp break). got it out the other day and zero take up and much heavier pull.what happened?, what to do?. any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated. btw, I didn't change any adjustments, just got it out of the case and started shooting it.
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installed a cdt trigger in my trail n/p rifle 3-4 yrs. ago and worked great (about 1/2 in. take up and nice crisp break). got it out the other day and zero take up and much heavier pull.what happened?, what to do?. any suggestions/ideas would be appreciated. btw, I didn't change any adjustments, just got it out of the case and started shooting it.
It's possible the lube used has thickened up or dried after sitting 3-4 years. Especially if it's exposed to high humidity or cold temps.
Just a guess, but might be worth looking into before digging in too deep.
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I know it's an old question, is a $100 rifle worth a $30 trigger, but here goes.
$60 Pawn shop Crosman Storm in a $40 Benjamin TH stock with CDT trigger.
$30 " " " " with a CDT trigger.
$60 " " Gamo Shadow with a CDT trigger
Silent Cat I got new a few years before with a CDT trigger.
My Swarm that's a single shot springer now with a CDT trigger.
A refurb TF59 I got from PA a few months ago with a CDT.
Plus I paid my shooting buddy Ole Tom Cat to install them all. Three of them I bought from Cathy at the KY. fun shoot last year and Al also installed them there.
Worth every penny! All of'em are keepers.
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I know it's an old question, is a $100 rifle worth a $30 trigger, but here goes.
$60 Pawn shop Crosman Storm in a $40 Benjamin TH stock with CDT trigger.
$30 " " " " with a CDT trigger.
$60 " " Gamo Shadow with a CDT trigger
Silent Cat I got new a few years before with a CDT trigger.
My Swarm that's a single shot springer now with a CDT trigger.
A refurb TF59 I got from PA a few months ago with a CDT.
Plus I paid my shooting buddy Ole Tom Cat to install them all. Three of them I bought from Cathy at the KY. fun shoot last year and Al also installed them there.
Worth every penny! All of'em are keepers.
I got one for my Gamo Hornet from Cathy at the fun shoot too and Al installed it there too. Huge upgrade.
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I thought I'd add to this thread, as I think it is important that people know.
The CDT-4G will fit the Gamo Coyote and BSA Buccaneer rifles.
I put one in my rifle last week. It requires disassembly of the rifle but the trigger will fit. Also, you will need a 5/32x7/16 (or 3/8ths) dowel pin because the trigger pivot pin is molded into the coyote trigger and the CDT is not supplied with one.
I opted to make mine a single stage trigger that breaks at about 1 lb by not replacing the screw that is seated within the stock trigger when installing the CDT.
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Great info Nic, thanks for sharing it.
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Got one sitting on my bench just waiting to go into the Urban.
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Is Cathy still selling the GRT III Triggers and do I just send funds to her address in SC with my info etc?
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I'm sure this question has been fielded numerous times...but real quick, please and thank you....
I just received my Benjamin NP2 SBD .22 today...is it known for sure which trigger I can order? Thank you!
I believe it's the CBR trigger. Someone will correct me if that's wrong.
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I'm sure this question has been fielded numerous times...but real quick, please and thank you....
I just received my Benjamin NP2 SBD .22 today...is it known for sure which trigger I can order? Thank you!
I believe it's the CBR trigger. Someone will correct me if that's wrong.
Oops lol
My np2 has the cbr trigger in it, if you have any doubt though pull it apart and compare, there are recognizable differences and the website has pictures showing both actions. Unless it has been changed recently, been about 6 mos. since I ordered mine
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She still sells them but her machinist is running behind a bit. She just set up a PayPal account so I would suggest you drop her an email and see if she wants to accept that as payment. Otherwise you send a check or postal money order in the mail. She will most likely be adding PayPal to her site in the near future. But that costs to get the programmer to modify.
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Thank You Cathy Curtis from CDT Triggers,the original shipment of triggers got lost in the mail and Cathy shipped me a second set with the quickness,installed the triggers in a gamo cf30 and theoben rapid mkI .20 cal and they both worked spot on very predictable and smooth 1st and 2nd stage letoff...
Joe
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What CDT trigger do I use for a Gamo stutzen? Please e-mail with the answer if you will please. Thanks, Jim
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You may have seen it on another thread but the GRT-4G fits the BSA comet Evo Silentium (Gamo Derivitve)
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I installed the GRT-4G trigger in my Gamo Big Cat .22 air rifle yesterday, but I want to make sure this seems right before I cock and try to fire the gun.
The safety definitely works, since it prevents the trigger from moving, but I noticed that when the safety is off, the new trigger doesn’t move the full length of the slot where the pin is.
I’m posting a photo that shows the pin position when the safety is off and I’m pulling the trigger as far as it will go.
Do you guys know if this will prevent the gun from firing? Or is this correct?
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I actually opened it up and everything looks good, so I think the pin position I noted is normal.
I went ahead and loaded and shot it a couple of times, but now it shoots with just the slightest pull, almost like a hair trigger! I guess I have to adjust the screw?
Do you guys know if I should turn it clockwise, or counterclockwise?
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I actually opened it up and everything looks good, so I think the pin position I noted is normal.
I went ahead and loaded and shot it a couple of times, but now it shoots with just the slightest pull, almost like a hair trigger! I guess I have to adjust the screw?
Do you guys know if I should turn it clockwise, or counterclockwise?
You need to start a new thread to ask these questions.
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Hello,
I sent an E-Mail to CDT and got this reply,
"Grev, The CBR is now a metal trigger. Tanks and Happy Shooting, Cathy".
Not sure how this turns out, not sure if it helps anyone, but I thought it was a good reply.
Thanks for reading !