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Artemis P35, best bullpup for lefties?
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October 27, 2021, 05:03:11 PM »
The title is a bit nonsensical. This is my one week review of the Artemis (aka Snow Peak) P35. I actually won't have had it a week until tomorrow. I am retired, however, so I've had the time to get it set up to my liking and shoot it enough to know it is accurate.
Review summary: It's hard to beat Short, Light, Powerful, and Accurate
Things I like: Length - Mine is just over 28 inches long with the LOP extended by 15/16 inch for my long arms.
Light - I think it's rated to weigh about 5.25 lbs, I weighed mine at 6 lbs 6 ounces with a Primary Arms 4-14 FFP scope installed
Powerful - mine is a 25 caliber and is rated to make 30 lbs which is does. With heavy pellets it makes more than that.
Shot count - I get about 70 shots from a 3500 fill. It's rated to take 250 bar so I am actually underfilling it slightly.
Accurate - my best group so far is 1/8 inch at 25 yards (all my shooting has been at 25). I find more significant the three groups
I shot today with H&N 34 grain .250 Slug HPs that averaged just over 1/4 inch. 3 groups in a row. The four groups
with H&N FTT were not quite as good but still respectable for a new gun with less than 500 projectiles through it.
Flush Magazine and mid-lever - I cannot shoot many bullpups because either they put the cocking lever at the butt end (in my face)
or stick the magazine out on the right so it is in my face or both. The P35 doesn't do this and I've even read the cocking
lever can be moved to the left for those that want that.
Comes with a complete set of O-rings and tools.
Hammer spring is easily adjusted outside on the end of the airtube.
Regulator works well to provide consistent velocity - typical extreme spreads in the 20s with single digit standard deviations.
It's QUIET, I measured 85-88 db at 15 feet stock. Then I did a modification recommended by Aaron Cantrell on youtube which
took it as low as under 70 db. Cost is next to nothing. To get under 70 db you have to make the gun less than 2 inches
longer. I decided I didn't need under 70 so I left it under 80 db with no increase in length.
Trigger is pretty good after adjustment. But it must be two stage for the safety to work and the one trigger adjustment is only
accessable when you take off the stock - but that is two screws. I decided I needed a little longer adjustment screw too.
It seems well made and the fit and finish are good. The stock is plastic but is solid and feels good unlike my Avenger. Almost all the
rest of the parts are metal and seem to be well made. The only fit and finish blemish is the end of the barrel that is exposed
only if you push the shroud forward. It isn't terrible but there are a couple small areas that are not blued.
Things I don't Like so Much:
The manual is pretty terrible. It has very few pages and covers all models of guns Artemis makes so it says very little. Nothing on
hammer spring adjustment, nothing on P35 trigger adjustment, nothing on regulator adjustment.
It is only available from Krale. They are fine and got it to me in less than a week but my credit card company had an additional
charge and the shipping wasn't cheap either.
The magazine is not so good. You have to put the first pellet in from the barrel side skirt first and then turn the magazine over and l
load the rest head first (not covered in the manual either). Then it gets cranky and sometimes doesn't want to load pellets
and you have to juggle the cocking lever to get it to load. I think the magnet that holds the magazine in position doesn't
locate it sufficiently. I will order a couple Carm magazines when they offer a flush fit 25. You only get one with the gun.
It uses a fill probe I will have to switch out when loading my other guns.
The pressure gauge is on the end of the gun, is labeled in bar, and there is no gauge for the regulator. (all minor to me)
I read that the regulator is adjustable but you have to remove the gauge end of the airtube and rotate a screw at the
other end of the tube which is almost as long as the gun. And you are flying blind, there is no gauge. You have to shoot
until it falls off the reg to see what your new setting is (but really would would care more initially about velocity).
I don't know if it even has a warranty. There is nothing on the Krale website about this and I wouldn't want to have to send it to
the Netherlands or China to get it worked on. But including O-rings and tools helps offset this - actually I think it is better
At least now that I know mine has no major issue.
I don't think it's a great first air rifle unless the owner is quite mechanically inclined due to the lack of a decent manual and apparent lack of a warranty. But for a somewhat experienced airgunner with a mechanical engineering degree (i.e. me) it works. For an experienced airgunner, especially for a lefty wanting a bullpup well under $1000, I think it works great. I don't know how powerful you can make it but the regulator seems to be set at about 1600 psi on mine. About 110 bar. My Avenger gives me almost 50 fpe at 2100 psi and isn't particularly efficient. I'm guessing the P35 can also do this but would loose shot count. I'm not currently inclined to increase the fpe.
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SPA P35 25, 45-50 fpe
SPA P35 22, 30-35 fpe
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Re: Artemis P35, best bullpup for lefties?
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October 28, 2021, 07:30:37 AM »
Good details. I'd reckon there's a lot of room for tuning for more power. 2 of my 3 SPA PCPs have potential to make good power, and I'm already a big fan of SPA; they make some good products- I'm likely going after the M25 within a week myself.
As far as good for lefties- I'm a southpaw but shoot ambidextrous; we own a Lelya 2.0 which is IMO the absolute pinnacle of ambidextrous shooting given the dual cocking levers (1 on each side) and they're forward-mounted. Different price-range, though, so in the budgetary constraints, I'd concur that P35 is tough to beat.
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Re: Artemis P35, best bullpup for lefties?
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October 28, 2021, 08:17:12 AM »
I saw several bullpups that would work for me but they were all $1000 or more, like the Edguns. I was reluctant to spend that much before even knowing I like bullpups. Then I saw the P35 for about $500 and got it. I'm really glad I did. Walther has a nice bullpup that is also reasonable in price but I did not like the permanently installed and not terribly good moderator nor the lack of a regulator. I do not know of another bullpup close to the P35 in price that has as many nice attributes. Regardless of which shoulder you shoot from I think it's a great choice. You can certainly get as good or better features by spending two or three times as much and I may some day but I'm glad to know I don't have to. Right now I would buy a P35 in 177 if I was to go buy another airgun. I am quite impressed.
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USA, South Carolina, Lexington
Benjamin Marauder Pistol (Prod) tuned to 16-20 fpe
Sheridan Blue Streak, stock, about 14 fpe
Crosman 1377 shot as carbine and not modified about 5fpe
Air Venturi Avenger 25, current tune is 45-50 ft lbs
SPA P35 25, 45-50 fpe
SPA P35 22, 30-35 fpe
SPA P35 177, 16-18 fpe
JimD
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Re: Artemis P35, best bullpup for lefties?
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October 28, 2021, 02:34:30 PM »
Well it took all of one more day for my P35 to develop a problem. I suspect my issue today is not unusual for bullpups but I managed to turn it into a half day exercise.
I went out this morning to fire a few rounds of cast pellets from a mold I sent back because my Avenger shot them poorly. NOE has promised a replacement but with uncertain timing. But I kept a few dozen pellets and tried them in the P35. After 3 shots, I couldn't get the gun to fire. So I took the action out of the stock, and started by just looking things over. I found the gun would fire if I applied a little upward pressure to what I would call the middle lever of the three in the trigger mechanism. That should have allowed me to figure out it wasn't the trigger mechanism but in true engineer fashion I turned a minor issue into a bigger one. I took the trigger mechanism completely apart and did not take a picture or two first. It's only 3 levers. After a few prayers I finally got it back together. All the levers are steel as is the block that holds them together. But there was never a reason to take this apart. I used a file to clean up some machining marks inside the housing but those were not an issue and never would have been.
What was the issue is the long rod that connects the trigger to the trigger mechanism needed to be shortened by one half rotation. The only issue with doing that is you have to pull an absolutely tiny C clip to pull a pin out of the mechanism so you can rotate it. I had already messed with this trying to eliminate or at least shorten the first stage before deciding I liked my safety more than I didn't like the long light first stage. I lost my original C-clip in that first attempt and ordered 100 replacements from McMaster Carr. I didn't loose it this time. But it is just a matter of pulling the C-clip, loosening the lock nut, rotating the yoke 1/2 turn, reassemble and test. Back to working great.
Those of you with bullpups may be a lot more familiar with this issue than I was. I'm thinking it is not unusual for the long activating rod to require a length adjustment.
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USA, South Carolina, Lexington
Benjamin Marauder Pistol (Prod) tuned to 16-20 fpe
Sheridan Blue Streak, stock, about 14 fpe
Crosman 1377 shot as carbine and not modified about 5fpe
Air Venturi Avenger 25, current tune is 45-50 ft lbs
SPA P35 25, 45-50 fpe
SPA P35 22, 30-35 fpe
SPA P35 177, 16-18 fpe
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