I try to switch sides when pumping, gun left hang pump arm right and reverse.Does this invention look familiar https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/11/the-pump-assist-benjamin-392-part-1/
Quote from: Back_Roads on January 30, 2022, 01:53:02 AM I try to switch sides when pumping, gun left hang pump arm right and reverse.Does this invention look familiar https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2007/11/the-pump-assist-benjamin-392-part-1/Were those available at any retailer?
I've got one for review. The big things outside of the physical appearance difference in the stock are the patented pump mechanism and threaded muzzle end. So far, it works as advertised. I measured an original Dragonfly pump effort on the 8th stroke at around 33-35 lbs, the Mk2 only required 14 lbs, and that's consistent for all pump strokes. It's a very cool system.
Quote from: Tpatner412 on January 27, 2022, 11:29:22 AMI've got one for review. The big things outside of the physical appearance difference in the stock are the patented pump mechanism and threaded muzzle end. So far, it works as advertised. I measured an original Dragonfly pump effort on the 8th stroke at around 33-35 lbs, the Mk2 only required 14 lbs, and that's consistent for all pump strokes. It's a very cool system.How noisy is the pumping of the Mk2? Noise factor would be my concern with it.Doesn't all that metal in the pumping arm make a racket?Or am I hopefully over imagining that?What kind of accuracy are you seeing?Tom Gaylord at PA is reviewing one.https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-two/Since PA is pushing the renamed butterfly hard, he'll probably post 10 yard accuracy results this week. I couldn't say when he'll post 25 yard results.If BB suddenly pulls some ancient springer you're never heard of out of the woodwork and starts working on that instead, it'll be a red flag that the 25 yard test didn't go as anticipated.
Quote from: Keepingitsimple on February 06, 2022, 02:31:42 PMQuote from: Tpatner412 on January 27, 2022, 11:29:22 AMI've got one for review. The big things outside of the physical appearance difference in the stock are the patented pump mechanism and threaded muzzle end. So far, it works as advertised. I measured an original Dragonfly pump effort on the 8th stroke at around 33-35 lbs, the Mk2 only required 14 lbs, and that's consistent for all pump strokes. It's a very cool system.How noisy is the pumping of the Mk2? Noise factor would be my concern with it.Doesn't all that metal in the pumping arm make a racket?Or am I hopefully over imagining that?What kind of accuracy are you seeing?Tom Gaylord at PA is reviewing one.https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-two/Since PA is pushing the renamed butterfly hard, he'll probably post 10 yard accuracy results this week. I couldn't say when he'll post 25 yard results.If BB suddenly pulls some ancient springer you're never heard of out of the woodwork and starts working on that instead, it'll be a red flag that the 25 yard test didn't go as anticipated.I wouldn't say it's any noisier than a 392, definitely more controllable so you could be more deliberate and delicate with it if you wanted/needed to. The pump mechanism fits tightly together, not a lot of slop between parts so I am not hearing any extra noise as a result of the added parts compared to the Dragonfly Mk1. So far at 25 yards mine is stacking JSB 16 grain pellets, haven't pushed further yet, but plan to. Need to make it through my normal list of pellets to test with before pushing further. If I can keep it sub 1" at 45 yards, you'll see it on camera when we review it. If not, we will probably film it at the max distance I can hold 1" with it. Been running it at the same 8 pumps the original was rated for most of the time.
Quote from: Tpatner412 on February 07, 2022, 11:02:07 AMQuote from: Keepingitsimple on February 06, 2022, 02:31:42 PMQuote from: Tpatner412 on January 27, 2022, 11:29:22 AMI've got one for review. The big things outside of the physical appearance difference in the stock are the patented pump mechanism and threaded muzzle end. So far, it works as advertised. I measured an original Dragonfly pump effort on the 8th stroke at around 33-35 lbs, the Mk2 only required 14 lbs, and that's consistent for all pump strokes. It's a very cool system.How noisy is the pumping of the Mk2? Noise factor would be my concern with it.Doesn't all that metal in the pumping arm make a racket?Or am I hopefully over imagining that?What kind of accuracy are you seeing?Tom Gaylord at PA is reviewing one.https://www.pyramydair.com/blog/2022/02/seneca-dragonfly-mark-2-multi-pump-rifle-part-two/Since PA is pushing the renamed butterfly hard, he'll probably post 10 yard accuracy results this week. I couldn't say when he'll post 25 yard results.If BB suddenly pulls some ancient springer you're never heard of out of the woodwork and starts working on that instead, it'll be a red flag that the 25 yard test didn't go as anticipated.I wouldn't say it's any noisier than a 392, definitely more controllable so you could be more deliberate and delicate with it if you wanted/needed to. The pump mechanism fits tightly together, not a lot of slop between parts so I am not hearing any extra noise as a result of the added parts compared to the Dragonfly Mk1. So far at 25 yards mine is stacking JSB 16 grain pellets, haven't pushed further yet, but plan to. Need to make it through my normal list of pellets to test with before pushing further. If I can keep it sub 1" at 45 yards, you'll see it on camera when we review it. If not, we will probably film it at the max distance I can hold 1" with it. Been running it at the same 8 pumps the original was rated for most of the time.I'd imagine the 392 level noise will be a relief to many potential buyers. I too put a 1 inch limit on my shooting, depending on what I'm shooting. Sometimes that little spot between the eye and the ear is a tad smaller than an inch.How many pumps are you using to stack those JSB 16's and at what MV?The butterfly gets around 652 fps with 14gr and 618 fps with 18.13 at 15 pumps. So I'm guessing you're getting around 635 fps with 15 pumps?
8 pumps for now. Once I work out what the top performing pellets are, then I will max it out and see what it can do with the full 15. With JSB Hades - 5 pumps achieved 547 fps and 8 managed 602 fps and the full 15 pumps spit it out at 676 fps. Pretty solid numbers. Important to mention that Tom noted some break in as he continued the velocity test and retested with those JSB 18s and got the following:Pumps……..Velocity3………………475 (428 before)8………………611 (583 before)15..…………..653 (618 before)
Quote from: Tpatner412 on February 07, 2022, 07:30:41 PM8 pumps for now. Once I work out what the top performing pellets are, then I will max it out and see what it can do with the full 15. With JSB Hades - 5 pumps achieved 547 fps and 8 managed 602 fps and the full 15 pumps spit it out at 676 fps. Pretty solid numbers. Important to mention that Tom noted some break in as he continued the velocity test and retested with those JSB 18s and got the following:Pumps……..Velocity3………………475 (428 before)8………………611 (583 before)15..…………..653 (618 before)really interesting about the break in. i'm wondering if yours also required a break in, or if it came shooting out the box closer to tom's break in numbers? if you were chrony'ing the whole time.and excited about the 25 yrd accuracy you're getting, as i wont be taking it out past 20 yards!
I came to the conclusion that I'm not going to disrespect the gun or the folks who enjoy it by referring to it as anything other than it's official name "Dragonfly". I sure wouldn't want anyone dubbing my 'Avenger" as "The Pretender"... All guns are not for everyone. I just don't think it's a good thing for our forum to come in a thread and dump all over a gun that I have no intentions of owning for the time being.Live and Let Live.....
Did you know the Sam Yang corporation in S. Korea is who owns Air Venturi / Seneca? My guess is a top exec at Sam Yang decided the initial name of 'butterfly' wasn't the right name for the U.S. market.
Quote from: Keepingitsimple on February 10, 2022, 01:31:32 PMDid you know the Sam Yang corporation in S. Korea is who owns Air Venturi / Seneca? My guess is a top exec at Sam Yang decided the initial name of 'butterfly' wasn't the right name for the U.S. market. Where are you getting that complete misinformation from? I would legitimately love to hear where that rumor started or came from.
If you are suggesting that the Dragonfly is manufactured anywhere other than China, I would dispute that loudly.Air Venturi (Seneca) may have rebranded it but that is clearly an SPA made gun.
Quote from: Tpatner412 on February 10, 2022, 02:15:36 PMQuote from: Keepingitsimple on February 10, 2022, 01:31:32 PMDid you know the Sam Yang corporation in S. Korea is who owns Air Venturi / Seneca? My guess is a top exec at Sam Yang decided the initial name of 'butterfly' wasn't the right name for the U.S. market. Where are you getting that complete misinformation from? I would legitimately love to hear where that rumor started or came from. I'm confused. Which part of my post are you calling 'misinformation' and/or a 'rumor'?The fact Sam Yang owns Air Venturi?The fact of Sam Yang being a S. Korean corporation?topairgun.com › powerful-discount-sam-yang-senecaSam Yang - Welcome to the #1 Top-Rated Air Gun Superstore in ...Sam Yang (now referred to as Seneca) is a Korean AirGun Company, established in 1990, with the goal to manufacture the best, most high powered air rifles for hunting and even self protection. Sam Yang is not a huge airgun company and has always focused on quality over quantity.www.airgundepot.com › samyang-air-riflesSam Yang Air Rifles | Airgun DepotSam Yang Air Rifles. Sam Yang's (now Seneca) big bore air rifles are the hunter's preferred choice when it comes to pre-charged pneumatic air rifles. There are plenty of reasons to consider addingOr, is it the guess I made about the name change? Would that be misinformation / rumor ?As you can see from topairgun and airgun depot Sam Yang changed its name to 'Seneca'.JMO but it looks like to me that changing the name of one of their products or even the name of the company is no big thing to them. I seem to have offended you. If so, it was unintentional.