again its all about what ur looking for in an air gun? not all people can shoot a spring gun efficiently to begin with! the R1 is like comparing a 3006 to a 300mag, over a R9/HW95, allot of folks can shoot a 3006 well and cannot shoot a 300mag at all! even tho both are extremely accurate in the right hands! when I go out in the field I mostly shoot birds, I have more then enough range to shot beyond what air guns are capable of! so I have no problems at taking shots @75 to 100+yds, the added power of the R1 tuned correctly will give me the knock power to easily make a clean dispatch of what I'm shooting at! I'm a big fan of the R1 tube in.22cal but when I want a flat shooting pellet on birds the .20cal is hard to beat out of the R1'k! I don't find the R1 any harder or any less accurate to shoot over the smaller HW tubes, its all about learning to shoot what u have, my other 2ct
There was a time when the R1 was king and it set the standard in the earlier days of preciision airgunning. These days though it seems to get scantbattention with R9, R7s HW50 and 95 getting more press. The R1 has a lot of power, if you can tame it, shoots accurately and with an excellent trigger but not so popular.Did folks get tired of hold sensitivity issues or just prefer a smaller, lighter gun? When the shooter does his part its an impressive, powerful springer. Why the backseat to the competition these days?Pete
Quote from: DownrangeKinetix on December 14, 2016, 07:05:33 PMThere was a time when the R1 was king and it set the standard in the earlier days of preciision airgunning. These days though it seems to get scantbattention with R9, R7s HW50 and 95 getting more press. The R1 has a lot of power, if you can tame it, shoots accurately and with an excellent trigger but not so popular.Did folks get tired of hold sensitivity issues or just prefer a smaller, lighter gun? When the shooter does his part its an impressive, powerful springer. Why the backseat to the competition these days?PeteI didn't read through the whole thread but wanted to reply on why I chose an HW95 (R9) vs an R1. In short, I wanted a Paul Watts tuned gun and he was more inclined to the R9. He told me I'd have an easier time shooting it accurately and it would handle squirrels out to 30 yards (which is all I needed).
Hey Motorhead:What is the advantage of having the R1/HW80 in .177 caliber, shooting a JSB 8.44 at 900 fps vs. and R9/HW95 shooting the same pellet at 825 fps? Just the ability to shoot heavier pellets (more accurately/longer distances) at higher velocities with soft shot cycle?If yes, I'm not sure it's worth the increase in gun manageability (or weight) ?
Quote from: SpiralGroove on December 19, 2016, 10:36:03 AMHey Motorhead:What is the advantage of having the R1/HW80 in .177 caliber, shooting a JSB 8.44 at 900 fps vs. and R9/HW95 shooting the same pellet at 825 fps? Just the ability to shoot heavier pellets (more accurately/longer distances) at higher velocities with soft shot cycle?If yes, I'm not sure it's worth the increase in gun manageability (or weight) ?Weight indeed along the line of why many folks shoot 77/97's over 95's If using iron sights / peeps the longer sighting plane advantageous to increased accuracy.lastly ... the 75 fps, yes it matters getting to target with a flatter trajectory especially if said faster guns shot cycle is smooth.
Jesse,Get in touch with Mike at airgunstocks.com.He may have a right hand stock for your R1 just collecting dust.When he finishes making a computer model from a factory stock, he doesn't need it anymore.Good luck
I have one that I got this year, and had a terrible time learning to shoot it well, plus most likely it had never been broken in. The more I shot it the better the accuracy. Velocity is on the low side, as it shoots the Crosman 7.9 hollowpoints at 875 fps, BUT very consistantly and repeatedly will do 3/8" to 1/2" at thirty yards with them. Had not tested a whole bunch of other pellets as those did so well and inexpensive and easy to get. The shot cycle is just a good solid thunk with very little vibration. A new spring or a tune kit might bring the power up, but it shoots so well and with such pleasant characteristics I'll leave alone until any further velocity loss. It is a heavy gun, but with excellent balance, so it does well offhand, maybe better than a light weight gun of similar power. Some of you might remember the thread I posted right after getting it a few months ago. I was just about ready to let it go cheaply to get it gone but then decided that I didn't want to just toss it out for a loss, so kept on shooting and absorbing advice, and after a while me and it meshed and good from that point onwards.
Quote from: Mark 611 on December 15, 2016, 08:53:38 PMagain its all about what ur looking for in an air gun? not all people can shoot a spring gun efficiently to begin with! the R1 is like comparing a 3006 to a 300mag, over a R9/HW95, allot of folks can shoot a 3006 well and cannot shoot a 300mag at all! even tho both are extremely accurate in the right hands! when I go out in the field I mostly shoot birds, I have more then enough range to shot beyond what air guns are capable of! so I have no problems at taking shots @75 to 100+yds, the added power of the R1 tuned correctly will give me the knock power to easily make a clean dispatch of what I'm shooting at! I'm a big fan of the R1 tube in.22cal but when I want a flat shooting pellet on birds the .20cal is hard to beat out of the R1'k! I don't find the R1 any harder or any less accurate to shoot over the smaller HW tubes, its all about learning to shoot what u have, my other 2ct Unless you're talking about turkies, I'm skeptical that you can ethically takes shots at bird at 100 yards. That's your business of course, but then lots of new guys read your post and get the wrong ideas about springers. They're just not that capable past 50 yards.I would suggest you get into a .25 caliber, 40+ FPE PCP if you want to take ethical shots on birds at 75+ yards. Maybe sell a springer or two, you seem to be flush with them. Don't get me wrong. It CAN be done, with enough shots at them, but I'm sure you're wounding a lot of them at 75-100 yards. A PCP will make those shots much more reliable and ethical, especially if you're already good with a springer.