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Ok long story but I am back to thinking about the Marauder Pistol again. Purchased one a while back and had problems with it and sent it back. Very poor accuracy even though I tried a ton of pellets.No sure but I think I got two bad ones. Anyway I am a glutton for punishment and am thinking about one again. What are your thoughts? I cant seem to find a pcp pistol that has the power of the Marauder for pest control at 25 or so yards. Are there better pcp pistols out there for the same money? I can get, what I consider, a pretty good deal on a new one. How is their quality control? Are they a buy or a pass? I wish they would update the design but it would suit my purpose if the new ones are any good.
thanks for the help
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Ok long story but I am back to thinking about the Marauder Pistol again. Purchased one a while back and had problems with it and sent it back. Very poor accuracy even though I tried a ton of pellets.No sure but I think I got two bad ones. Anyway I am a glutton for punishment and am thinking about one again. What are your thoughts? I cant seem to find a pcp pistol that has the power of the Marauder for pest control at 25 or so yards. Are there better pcp pistols out there for the same money? I can get, what I consider, a pretty good deal on a new one. How is their quality control? Are they a buy or a pass? I wish they would update the design but it would suit my purpose if the new ones are any good.
thanks for the help
It's going to be hard to beat the Umarex Notos for the price. I like my Prod a lot, but it's way overpriced in today's market. It looks like you will have to buy the pistol grips separately for $10 though.
https://www.pyramydair.com/search-results-ext?keyword=Umarex+Notos (https://www.pyramydair.com/search-results-ext?keyword=Umarex+Notos)
The PP750 is another good option from Wes.
https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/artemis-pp750-multi-shot-pcp-pistol/ (https://airgunarcheryfun.ca/artemis-pp750-multi-shot-pcp-pistol/)
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I had two.
Tuned myself at just under 15fpe.
Dead balls accurate.
I don’t shoot PCP anymore.
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Yeah the Notos is hard to beat.
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Prod accuracy is usually very good to excellent. I have a hard time believing you got 2 with poor accuracy but who knows.
Mine like many others here has been excellent in the accuracy department.
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Prod accuracy is usually very good to excellent. I have a hard time believing you got 2 with poor accuracy but who knows.
Mine like many others here has been excellent in the accuracy department.
It’s that sweet trigger . My prod has the best trigger out of all mine guns
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Yeah thanks. The Notos is something to look at esp at the price point. I am looking at all the youtubes to see the reviews. I would like to hear from those that have this thing, It seems to have the power I am looking for. Reviews talk about the heavy trigger. Wondering about the real world for trigger and accuracy.
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Yeah thanks. The Notos is something to look at esp at the price point. I am looking at all the youtubes to see the reviews. I would like to hear from those that have this thing, It seems to have the power I am looking for. Reviews talk about the heavy trigger. Wondering about the real world for trigger and accuracy.
I have one , all I did was adjust the trigger with the small Allen key that’s visible on the trigger to a good feel and that’s it. The trigger was heavy probably 5 pounds if I had to guess other then that I just shoot it sometimes. It’s my truck gun. Oh I also turned it down to as low as the hammer spring allows to where it’s shooting CPHP at 743 avg. good enough. I have a saber tactical tube rail and a sling. If it means anything I’ve kept it and have sold and given a lot of guns away. I run a 2-7x32 Hawke scope. That’s it :)
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
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Yeah thanks. The Notos is something to look at esp at the price point. I am looking at all the youtubes to see the reviews. I would like to hear from those that have this thing, It seems to have the power I am looking for. Reviews talk about the heavy trigger. Wondering about the real world for trigger and accuracy.
I have one , all I did was adjust the trigger with the small Allen key that’s visible on the trigger to a good feel and that’s it. The trigger was heavy probably 5 pounds if I had to guess other then that I just shoot it sometimes. It’s my truck gun. Oh I also turned it down to as low as the hammer spring allows to where it’s shooting CPHP at 743 avg. good enough. I have a saber tactical tube rail and a sling. If it means anything I’ve kept it and have sold and given a lot of guns away. I run a 2-7x32 Hawke scope. That’s it :)
Ok thanks. So I can get the trigger pull down without much problem.
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Yeah thanks. The Notos is something to look at esp at the price point. I am looking at all the youtubes to see the reviews. I would like to hear from those that have this thing, It seems to have the power I am looking for. Reviews talk about the heavy trigger. Wondering about the real world for trigger and accuracy.
I have one , all I did was adjust the trigger with the small Allen key that’s visible on the trigger to a good feel and that’s it. The trigger was heavy probably 5 pounds if I had to guess other then that I just shoot it sometimes. It’s my truck gun. Oh I also turned it down to as low as the hammer spring allows to where it’s shooting CPHP at 743 avg. good enough. I have a saber tactical tube rail and a sling. If it means anything I’ve kept it and have sold and given a lot of guns away. I run a 2-7x32 Hawke scope. That’s it :)
Ok thanks. So I can get the trigger pull down without much problem.
Yeah super easy. Mines still a bit heavy but that’s how i kept it for safety
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Would you say this is a good carbine for squirrel to say 35 to 40 yards. I also have some rats around the chickens that could be taken out.
There is a pretty good deal goin on now. Around 225 to my door. Only good if the carbine is good though.
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Like said above, I too have a Prod, great accurate gun with awesome trigger but I would purchase a Notos if they were available back then, regulated with more power on tap right out of the box and with adjustable furniture.
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Would you say this is a good carbine for squirrel to say 35 to 40 yards. I also have some rats around the chickens that could be taken out.
There is a pretty good deal goin on now. Around 225 to my door. Only good if the carbine is good though.
Yes . Test some pellets and see which one is the most accurate. I just shoot CPHP
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Like said above, I too have a Prod, great accurate gun with awesome trigger but I would purchase a Notos if they were available back then, regulated with more power on tap right out of the box and with adjustable furniture.
I have a few Umarex pistols and they seem very well made.
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Would you say this is a good carbine for squirrel to say 35 to 40 yards. I also have some rats around the chickens that could be taken out.
There is a pretty good deal goin on now. Around 225 to my door. Only good if the carbine is good though.
Yes . Test some pellets and see which one is the most accurate. I just shoot CPHP
Well if they work they work and they are locally available and reasonably inexpensive.
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Would you say this is a good carbine for squirrel to say 35 to 40 yards. I also have some rats around the chickens that could be taken out.
There is a pretty good deal goin on now. Around 225 to my door. Only good if the carbine is good though.
Yes . Test some pellets and see which one is the most accurate. I just shoot CPHP
Well if they work they work and they are locally available and reasonably inexpensive.
I want to switch to Hades but I save those for other guns
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Yeah my problem right now is I have a ton of pellets for other rifles. I hope either the crosmans work or I have some that work in the Notos. I think I am going to order the carbine.
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Yeah my problem right now is I have a ton of pellets for other rifles. I hope either the crosmans work or I have some that work in the Notos. I think I am going to order the carbine.
If the SPA barrel in the Notos is anything like the SPA barrels in the 7 I have, it'll be a winner with just about anything you stuff in it and that includes slugs.
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I like carbines that shoot anything. I just ordered the carbine. Should be here on Thursday.
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I like carbines that shoot anything. I just ordered the carbine. Should be here on Thursday.
Nice!! Congrats
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How many shots are you getting on a full tank with the notos? Also if you ever checked how many shots from 2900psi. My pony bottle is reg to 2900.
thanks
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How many shots are you getting on a full tank with the notos? Also if you ever checked how many shots from 2900psi. My pony bottle is reg to 2900.
thanks
From 2900 probably 10-14 or so because from a 250 bar I get about 20
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Yeah I saw a youtube last night that said a guy got about 10 shots from 2600psi. Funny how there is a lot of inconsistency in the reviews concerning shot count and accuracy. One guy said he was getting 35 shots. I know that't wrong but he didn't misspeak. He counted the shots up to 35. Anyway most are trying to review for profit anyway I guess.
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Yeah I saw a youtube last night that said a guy got about 10 shots from 2600psi. Funny how there is a lot of inconsistency in the reviews concerning shot count and accuracy. One guy said he was getting 35 shots. I know that't wrong but he didn't misspeak. He counted the shots up to 35. Anyway most are trying to review for profit anyway I guess.
I take reviews with a grain of salt. I’m sure they’re shooting below the reg which I don’t. To be on the safe side I fill to 250 bar and shoot 3 magazines at 6 shots a piece (Carm magazines) and refill. That’s plenty for me. Hand pumping is easy if you choose
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I was goinn to order a couple of carm mags. I have a couple for my Avenger. One is a little funky but I haven't bothered with it much to try to get it straightened out. I'll wait till I get some rounds down range with this Notos to make sure it works. Haven't had much luck lately with some airgun purchases.
Did you say you had a Notos?
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I was goinn to order a couple of carm mags. I have a couple for my Avenger. One is a little funky but I haven't bothered with it much to try to get it straightened out. I'll wait till I get some rounds down range with this Notos to make sure it works. Haven't had much luck lately with some airgun purchases.
Did you say you had a Notos?
Yeah I have one it’s my truck gun. It’s really enjoyable to shoot
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I thought you said that.
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What are your thoughts on the 12 round Carm mags.?
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What are your thoughts on the 12 round Carm mags.?
Several folks here have that one and they like it
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I know the hight may be a problem. I'll have to try measure it. Red dot will be no problem.I think. but a scope may be another story. Oh just got a notice the notos should be here Saturday.
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I know the hight may be a problem. I'll have to try measure it. Red dot will be no problem.I think. but a scope may be another story. Oh just got a notice it should be here Saturday.
Nice!! High rings should work with the CARM.
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Yeah I saw a youtube last night that said a guy got about 10 shots from 2600psi. Funny how there is a lot of inconsistency in the reviews concerning shot count and accuracy. One guy said he was getting 35 shots. I know that't wrong but he didn't misspeak. He counted the shots up to 35. Anyway most are trying to review for profit anyway I guess.
Yeah, I'd like to see a chronograph print out on those 35 shots.
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Hey just sittin here thinkin. (Not good) Anyway do you guys know if there is either a folding stock or an adaptor that will allow the Notos stock to fold?
Is the stock and "buffer tube" interchangeable with an AR stock?
thanks
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Hey just sittin here thinkin. (Not good) Anyway do you guys know if there is either a folding stock or an adaptor that will allow the Notos stock to fold?
Is the stock and "buffer tube" interchangeable with an AR stock?
thanks
From my understanding it’s not AR compatible
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This thing would be great with a folder! I wrote Buck Rail and asked them. If they don't make one now I hope they do soon. I realize the carbine is pretty new so probably not but who knows. Has anyone put a folder on one of these??
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Is the buffer tube and stock one piece or does the buffer tube screw into the the grip part of the pistol. In other words is the pistol grip threaded to accept the buffer tube or is it all one piece?
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Go to the other forum and read about it 'cuz they have several pages and threads of the Notos.
Saw it but no reading for me for I have no interest of the aforementioned carbine.
You'd find more answers Googling it.
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
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Looks great though, lol!
Had the tube powdercoated along with someone’s tire rims.
Have always been a sucker for details.
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I have a Marauder pistol and it's dead nuts to 35-45 yds. The only pellet it DOESN'T like is the Hades. I was super encouraged when the Hades cam out but in my particular gun the groups go from an inch to literally 3 ft ! ! ! I can see them wildly corkscrew through the air. I mean they are SCARY ! ! ! I think they might work better if I put them in the barrel backwards! LOL!
My gun is probably 8 years old. Maybe their barrel supplier has changed or something.
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...
While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
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I just dropped a regulator in my Prod and I'm getting 3 full mags from a fill at 13 fpe. I'll take that. I don't have any Hades in 22 cal but I haven't found many pellets that it doesn't like.
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I guess my Prod won the barrel lotto as it does just fine with most everything as long as it is the right cal.
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...
While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.
I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...
While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.
I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.
When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore?
When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle.
All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels.
If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel.
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...
While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.
I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.
When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore?
When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle.
All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels.
If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel.
Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.
I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.
Thanks for pointing that out 👍
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...
While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.
I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.
When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore?
When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle.
All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels.
If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel.
Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.
I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.
Thanks for pointing that out 👍
You're welcome and thank you for playing along. Please do share your findings if you do not mind.
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My second pcp was a marauder pistol , 1st was a marauder 25 rifle , I was disappointed with the power , had squirrels walk off after solid hits so I install hills tp and hs and moderator now it's silent death on the birds that raid my peach trees and still low power enough not to leave the property when shooting up in the trees , so it has its place in my quiver.
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...
While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.
I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.
When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore?
When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle.
All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels.
If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel.
Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.
I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.
Thanks for pointing that out 👍
You're welcome and thank you for playing along. Please do share your findings if you do not mind.
I remembered this thread and did it today.
Was surprised that the supposedly tight H & N FT 5.53 was only so when chambering; it's smooth all the way except on the last remaining inch, like it was choked.
Was really tight, even tighter than my LW barrels ???
Makes me wonder if all PROD barrels are choked.
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Ya I am not a fan of Crosman barrels. Except my 1986 1377, but that’s another story.
I have two Prods and they do not shoot to my satisfaction.
One has been converted into a mini Mrod with the Walther barrel. Like Rick, there are not many pellets it doesn’t like.
The stock Prod is no better than the original barrel in the first Prod. Not accurate enough did bag offhand three chippy in April with a red dot.
I am committed to working these barrels over in hopes of getting them to shoot better.
Part of my problem is all my other guns have German barrels. Most of my shooting is @10m killing tiny dots. The Crosman barrels will only hit a dot every 5-10 shots. Maybe I ask too much?
My 1720 will shoot literally in the same hole over and over.
The long barrel Prod is really nice, but it’s a rifle. I need the little gun too.
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...
While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.
I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.
When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore?
When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle.
All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels.
If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel.
Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.
I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.
Thanks for pointing that out 👍
You're welcome and thank you for playing along. Please do share your findings if you do not mind.
I remembered this thread and did it today.
Was surprised that the supposedly tight H & N FT 5.53 was only so when chambering; it's smooth all the way except on the last remaining inch, like it was choked.
Was really tight, even tighter than my LW barrels ???
Makes me wonder if all PROD barrels are choked.
Based on what I've seen all Mrod/Prod .22 barrels are choked.
Your Prod barrel sounds like it just needs some TLC and it would could probably be turned into a nice shooting barrel. it being smooth between the lead and choke is a strong indicator.
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Yeah I was also surprise with the accuracy of the Prod. I'm not new to the sport by any means. Tried about 8 different pallets with no help. Accuracy even at 25 yards was not good at all. Could not get either one dialed in. I liked the size of the Prod just not the accuracy. Its possible they were back to back on the line and had the same problem. Idono
Mine only likes the JSB 15.89 with the hard-to-find 5.53 head.
The rest are so so.
Have you tried FTT's in the larger head sizes? They tend to be more readily available. FTT's in 5.54 head size is the only thing my Prod in a QB stock will shoot. It will keep 5 shots inside an inch at 50 yards with these, but shotguns with anything made by crosman. it won't even shoot JSB 18gr decently....14.66gr is a good weight for Prods to efficiently push in the low 700's...
While not directly Prod related, I can share a story around salvaging a previously deemed unfit for service Prod barrel... I had one that was plagued by loose, tight, loose, tight, loose then tight again at the choke... It was the original barrel in the above mentioned "Prod in a QB stock". It just wouldn't shoot at all and I ordered a replacement barrel which was not much better.... When contemplating another build, I decided to use the junk barrel for proof of concept in a shorty brod build. After a bit of testing I determined that I liked the package and wanted to make it a permanent member of the fleet. So I adopted a fix it or fix it to death approach to the junk barrel. Using 3m polishing paper, I aggressively lapped it to loose, then tight at the choke. I now use it in my shorty Gen 1 Brod with tiny 18cc plenum regulated at 2000psi. Porting is almost bore sized at .200. It is tuned to send JSB18gr around 885fps. It now consistently yields 5 shots inside of 1" at 50 yard accuracy. Eventually I have a FX Superior liner for this one, but for now it is continuing to be a very effective pest management tool for anything 20-75 yards here at the camp.
The 5.53 H & N FTT is already a very tight fit, so I can’t imagine the step-up size to do better.
I already changed the barrel to that of an MROD LW, and it shoots great with my current inventory of ammo.
When you described the 5.53 as a tight fit, do you mean tight when clambering? Have you pushed a pellet down the bore?
When I was describing tight, loose, tight, loose tight, I was attempting to describe what it feels like when slowly pushing a pellet down the bore from breech to muzzle.
All of my crosman .22 barrels have had some pattern of alternating tight and loose spots and a really tight choke. Two of the 4 specimens have been worked over with an aggressive lapping process to eliminate the tight spots, then polished and hard waxed. They will now shoot decently enough, but do require more frequent cleaning than most of my other barrels.
If your Prod barrel is tight through its entire length IMO it could probably be massaged into a great shooting barrel.
Ah, I haven’t done that “slugging” process.
I’ll do it now that the barrel is just on standby.
Thanks for pointing that out 👍
You're welcome and thank you for playing along. Please do share your findings if you do not mind.
I remembered this thread and did it today.
Was surprised that the supposedly tight H & N FT 5.53 was only so when chambering; it's smooth all the way except on the last remaining inch, like it was choked.
Was really tight, even tighter than my LW barrels ???
Makes me wonder if all PROD barrels are choked.
Based on what I've seen all Mrod/Prod .22 barrels are choked.
Your Prod barrel sounds like it just needs some TLC and it would could probably be turned into a nice shooting barrel. it being smooth between the lead and choke is a strong indicator.
Yes, it does shoot very good but only with that rare 5.53 head size 15.89 JSB pellets.
I think I bought those from Penchetta when I was there years ago.
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I've had my prod for about 5 years now. Did the bstaley mod and have it shooting the H&N FTT 14.66g in 5.53mm from 625-655-625(2400psi-1500psi) for 24 shots. In the beginning I also struggled to find acceptable accuracy especially when comparing it to my other high end full length pcp rifles. CPHPS were probable the best, but not good enough.
An AGN member suggested the FTT in 5.53mm head size. I order them along with the 5.52 and 5.54. You wouldn't think 0.01mm would make much of a difference but it's very noticeable. It only gets the 5.53 anymore. They can often be found on sale for $10/500. One day I was ordering some parts from Crosman and decided that since it was so cheap, I'd order another barrel to try out. Same results.
My prod is in carbine form now with a Buckrail stock and Vector Optics 3-12 Veyron scope. From a bench rest, it will consistently shoot less than quarter size groups out to 45 yards with dime size at 30 and less.
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IF I had waited, I most likely would of not built this, but got the Prod on sale for close to NOTOS price, bought all the extras on sale except the scope and LDC... still not as good of gun vs the $ as my SPA guns of similar style. With the advent of the bottle Notos I would be building one right now, if I did not have that niche covered fairly well now.
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8881)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8209)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8479)
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IF I had waited, I most likely would of not built this, but got the Prod on sale for close to NOTOS price, bought all the extras on sale except the scope and LDC... still not as good of gun vs the $ as my SPA guns of similar style.
You need a better crystal ball...;)
Curious as to the age of these posted barrels with issues. Crosman upgraded their barrel making machinery mid 2018, along with adding and moving the .25 in-house made. Seems the .22 picky woes have really subsided since then. I have 3 pre-2015 .22 barrels, and was thinking of buying newer made barrels to get away from FTT 5.53's.
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This frankin gun has an Air Force .25 LW barrel, had to turn it down to fit the 2240 breach, worth the effort :)
(https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=8479)
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I must’ve gotten lucky. My Prod likes CPHPs at my range 15-35 yards. Current tune with BStaley mod is rite at 700fps for about 20 shots but I usual fill after 2 mags. Home brewed 4 inch shroud extension uses 3 of Rocker1s baffle. Blue Fork trigger group. Off-set adapter is actually for a 2240 that I drilled & tap’d to fit.
I’m thinking of filling the forestock with plastic bonder to add a bit more forward weight to aid off hand shooting.
Finally developed a slow leak after several years and was the fill nipple O-ring. An EZ/inexpensive fix.
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Yeah, my PROD is still a work in progress.
With its MROD LW barrel, it now shoots great with the pellets I have except the H & N 5.53 FTT pellets ???
Probably because mine is a low power build.
Still haven't gotten around to have the Fortitude tube drilled to mate with the PROD breech.
There are 3 gunsmiths near, but I'm just being lazy :P
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Rick, I put the breech on the tube, bolted it in the back, clamped the front and drilled the holes. Easy deal………
The hard part is getting the burrs out. The ones I made were easy, but the factory burrs are another story.
And I didn’t dress the threads on the new tube and tried to screw in the fill assembly. Ruined the tube and fill assembly. Idiot. More parts inbound.
I just pushed a pellet through the barrel I replaced with a Walther. FTT 5.53, smooth all the way and a pretty aggressive choke. I will give it a good JB treatment and install it.
The crown looks good too.
My Wather barrel loves the FTT 5.53
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Rick, I put the breech on the tube, bolted it in the back, clamped the front and drilled the holes. Easy deal………
The hard part is getting the burrs out. The ones I made were easy, but the factory burrs are another story.
And I didn’t dress the threads on the new tube and tried to screw in the fill assembly. Ruined the tube and fill assembly. Idiot. More parts inbound.
I just pushed a pellet through the barrel I replaced with a Walther. FTT 5.53, smooth all the way and a pretty aggressive choke. I will give it a good JB treatment and install it.
The crown looks good too.
My Wather barrel loves the FTT 5.53
Yes sir, I got that template idea when you said you have an old breech for those 2 new front holes.
Sigh, it’s a good thing the Forti tube is so affordable, so good luck on the next venture 👍