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All Springer/NP/PCP Air Gun Discussion General => American/U.S. Air Gun Gates => Topic started by: Hoosier Daddy on January 06, 2019, 04:48:10 PM
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I am a Modder at heart. ::)
I've had a 2240 that progressed to a 1740 and a CCS 2300. Morphed between both pistol and Carbine. More sighting options than you can shake a stick at.
I am really impressed with the .20 cal. 'Dans I own. Both C pumpers and an F that is CO2.
The new offering from JSB in .20 made a believer out of me that this caliber is not going away any time soon.
We should all know the stock 2240 is plenty strong for a pistol and there are tons of upgrade (rabbit hole is deep).
I have done a search for 2040 with limited hits (2) on a .20 cal 2240, 2400, 2500 builds.
I see Mellon air has a LW .20 barrel suited for it, but at $160 for the barrel alone, that is a show stopper.
Surely there has to be an easier way.
I saw the Crosman SSP was available with a .20 liner, but those are scarce as hens teeth.
Thinking an old Streak with barrel separation maybe a good donor?
Any help , recommendations or advice is appreciated.
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Here is mine after installing barrel, bolt, and Prod shroud. I did some trigger work to smooth things out. Put a Gamo red dot on to see how things were going to go.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6170 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6170)
Same gun with the Hipac installed. Poly TP added. Was getting about 18 shots on CO2 and around 9ish good ones on 1200psi HPA.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6171 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6171)
As it looks now, with 2 Prod barrel bands, a smaller Daisy red dot, a Magpul foregrip, blue fork trigger, Hogue AR15 pistol grip, and 4 oring stack BSB. I'm not at home, so I can't give any numbers, but 6 orings brought it down to around 350ish. ;)
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6172 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/MGalleryItem.php?id=6172)
Wyoman would probably have the best advise about converting to a .20.
I don't know what's going on with my computer, but it won't preview with pictures. I guess I'm gonna have to bite that bullet.... :-\
BTW, GO CLEMSON!
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Thank you Terry,
So this where you found the barrel /probe combo you used?
http://mountainaircustomairguns.com/faq/ (http://mountainaircustomairguns.com/faq/)
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Yep
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You can .20 blanks directly from LW for $112. Not exactly cheap, just mentioning it because you mentioned another for $160.
And did you mean Mountain Air instead of Mellon? I didn't see any .20's on Mellon's site.
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You can .20 blanks directly from LW for $112. Not exactly cheap, just mentioning it because you mentioned another for $160.
And did you mean Mountain Air instead of Mellon? I didn't see any .20's on Mellon's site.
Yes I meant Mountain... Sorry, I corrected a couple posts up in the link I provided.
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I am a Modder at heart. ::)
I've had a 2240 that progressed to a 1740 and a CCS 2300. Morphed between both pistol and Carbine. More sighting options than you can shake a stick at.
I am really impressed with the .20 cal. 'Dans I own. Both C pumpers and an F that is CO2.
The new offering from JSB in .20 made a believer out of me that this caliber is not going away any time soon.
We should all know the stock 2240 is plenty strong for a pistol and there are tons of upgrade (rabbit hole is deep).
I have done a search for 2040 with limited hits (2) on a .20 cal 2240, 2400, 2500 builds.
I see Mellon air has a LW .20 barrel suited for it, but at $160 for the barrel alone, that is a show stopper.
Surely there has to be an easier way.
I saw the Crosman SSP was available with a .20 liner, but those are scarce as hens teeth.
Thinking an old Streak with barrel separation maybe a good donor?
Any help , recommendations or advice is appreciated.
Hey Daddy,
When i bought my SSP new all those years ago I only got a .177 barrel with mine. I don't think I knew what was available then but I sure wish I had blindly bumbled into the triple caliber set which was available.
At any rate i have been thinking of getting a .22 barrel but a .20 might be really awesome on this gun. So you have got my attention.
If worse comes to worse maybe we could split a blank, I only need 12" +/-.
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There's a thought.
Thanks Ray.
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There's a thought.
Thanks Ray
A few years ago I bought a .20 L/W barrel from Alex (http://airgunartisans.com/AApneumaticforays.htm (http://airgunartisans.com/AApneumaticforays.htm)) at that time he had several they were about 18" and the best part was they were 7/16" O D. Back then he was getting $75.00 for them. You would still need to cut to length and add the T/P. As for a bolt, usually you can get by with a .177 and add a slightly larger o ring.
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You're going there...
I've considered the Weirauch barrels too, but it is a high cost of entry. Still... a 2040 :)
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You're going there...
Oh yes I am!
I found a NOS Lothar .20 barrel on ebay. 16.25" long, .437 (7/16)" OD, recessed crown, with a Crosman T.P. drilled ....for $68!
Clicked "BUY IT NOW". Should be here Monday.
So now the Game begins.
Being 16" long and both ends already worked, I don't want to cut it, so it is going to be a Carbine.
First place I turned was CCS for a 2400KT to get the most all at once for my money.
But then I wondered about a 2260MB. That barrel on it is 24" long so I don't know if the 16" barrel would extend past the 2260 tube. May need to stick with the 2400 / 2250 lower tube to have enough extending to put on a moderator.
Then I saw Van's Disco in a Old Crosman 160 stock HERE (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155136.msg155711226#msg155711226) and that got me thinking (never a good thing). :o
I have a spare Maxi (Disco) complete trigger group. Is that is the same as a 2260's?
And if it fits a 2260 tube, would that mean it also fits a 2400 / 2250 lower?
Now here is the "unique"... I also have an old, broken, repaired, Benji 392P stock.
It is glued, pinned and solid.. but ugly. A little wood filler and paint instead of stain it will pass a visual inspection. I would not feel bad about milling out the trigger area and using it, with a 22XX tube, and my Maxi trigger group if that is an option...
Holding everything up to my 1740, tube lays in the stock bed well.... it looks like the screw holes for the trigger group line up and it could just work.
Might make a nifty little carbine .20.
Now I find myself knee deep in Alchemy, Alliance, Magnumairpower, and Mountainair looking for parts. ::) ;)
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Digging pretty deep. ;D May as well add an extended valve, too! :D
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You're going there...
Oh yes I am!
I found a NOS Lothar .20 barrel on ebay. 16.25" long, .437 (7/16)" OD, recessed crown, with a Crosman T.P. drilled ....for $68!
Clicked "BUY IT NOW". Should be here Monday.
So now the Game begins.
Being 16" long and both ends already worked, I don't want to cut it, so it is going to be a Carbine.
First place I turned was CCS for a 2400KT to get the most all at once for my money.
But then I wondered about a 2260MB. That barrel on it is 24" long so I don't know if the 16" barrel would extend past the 2260 tube. May need to stick with the 2400 / 2250 lower tube to have enough extending to put on a moderator.
Then I saw Van's Disco in a Old Crosman 160 stock HERE (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=155136.msg155711226#msg155711226) and that got me thinking (never a good thing). :o
I have a spare Maxi (Disco) complete trigger group. Is that is the same as a 2260's?
And if it fits a 2260 tube, would that mean it also fits a 2400 / 2250 lower?
Now here is the "unique"... I also have an old, broken, repaired, Benji 392P stock.
It is glued, pinned and solid.. but ugly. A little wood filler and paint instead of stain it will pass a visual inspection. I would not feel bad about milling out the trigger area and using it, with a 22XX tube, and my Maxi trigger group if that is an option...
Holding everything up to my 1740, tube lays in the stock bed well.... it looks like the screw holes for the trigger group line up and it could just work.
Might make a nifty little carbine .20.
Now I find myself knee deep in Alchemy, Alliance, Magnumairpower, and Mountainair looking for parts. ::) ;)
A 2260 tube would accommodate a 14.5" LW barrel--the barrel is longer by a bit.
I tested it on my 2260 stainless Don Cothran tube.
Here is a pic of it with a Donny FL moderator attached (Polish-made adapter is the version with an undercut for a Disco):
(https://i.imgur.com/mZgSMEK.jpg?4)
For additional reference, my tube has an extended C02 cap:
(https://i.imgur.com/Cl3VGg5.jpg?2)
I have already sold this excellent DC tube with power adjuster to a member of this forum.
Virtually brand new with no marks nor scuffs since I did not even tighten the breech/barrel band screws.
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Thanks Rick!!!
That gun looks familiar... does it now have a BF trigger group?
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Thanks Rick!!!
That gun looks familiar... does it now have a BF trigger group?
Yes, HD sir.
I ordered a stainless Don Cothran 2250/2400KT for it because the ss DC 2260 tube was too heavy and long for my build.
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Just a thought....This is a 2250 tube set into a cut down 2260 stock. It has a 15" barrel with a TKO which makes it 20" barrel.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/180%20clone/100_09211.jpg)
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Just a thought....This is a 2250 tube set into a cut down 2260 stock. It has a 15" barrel with a TKO which makes it 20" barrel.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/180%20clone/100_09211.jpg)
Did you drill/tap that TKO for the front sight or glue it on? If tapped, how well is it holding?
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SWEET!
I already have a Rocker1 LDC I plan on using.
I took apart my 1740 and mocked up the Maximus trigger group. It worked well. Only needed a longer rear screw and I have stainless ones in house.
After I removed the trigger, I tried the tube fit in the Benj stock... bedding is perfect.
So now I got a plan... 16" LW .20 barrel, 2260 tube, Maxi trigger group, steel breech, in a 392P stock (minus the pump handle) = a short 2060 carbine.
BUT....
For the cost of all the "bits" I may be better off buying a new 2260MB from PA for $150 and swapping this barrel.
Time to start watching for second hand stuff.
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Just a thought....This is a 2250 tube set into a cut down 2260 stock. It has a 15" barrel with a TKO which makes it 20" barrel.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/180%20clone/100_09211.jpg)
Nice, Bill! Rather like a contemporary Model 180. As I recall you have another similar build.
I actually asked Crosman to make one like this, and, well ..... ::)
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Just a thought....This is a 2250 tube set into a cut down 2260 stock. It has a 15" barrel with a TKO which makes it 20" barrel.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/180%20clone/100_09211.jpg)
Man I like that a lot!
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Thanks for the kind words guys. Here's a few more for you. I had a beat ssp with the dual power rear cocker & made a brass safety for what I call the 180 Clone.
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/180%20clone/f7333a70-1692-458e-96e8-e0e49499c1c3.jpg)
(http://i129.photobucket.com/albums/p212/wwk1a/180%20clone/100_09821.jpg)
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That's the one! 8)
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Wow!
Nice.... very nice Bill thanks for sharing.
My plans are just in their infancy so anything can change at any time. ::)
You know what they say... "A goal without a plan, is a wish."... Right now I am in the planning stage.
That said, I am thinking all brushed silver tone, my take on a modern Silver Model F Sheridan so to speak. It looks good in my head and yours gives me some ideas.
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Wednesday I called Crosman customer support, spoke to Betty... and got pricing for the basic externals.
A 2260 lower tube, front end and rear cap. A Disco breech and a few more Challenger bits...
Tomorrow is "Free Shipping Friday". ;)
That will get me enough to start the fitment and polishing.
Going for the long haul on this one.
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Pssstttt.... have a look at this...
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152894.msg155681743#msg155681743 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=152894.msg155681743#msg155681743)
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Nice build up of spare parts Bill
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Thanks Scott. I added the studs and a sling. So compact and light and fills fast and easy to 2k with a hand pump for on the fly shooting.
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Starting with a 2260MB with the steel breech, and installing your barrel makes the most sense, IMO.... PROVIDED you are going to stay with CO2 cartridges.... However, I found this warning from TKO22....
One word of caution for those who would like to do this...
The Crosman 2260 air tube has recently been changed by Crosman.
The new tubes are marked: "2260MB".
These ARE NOT THE same as the old 2260 tubes. They are 0.049 wall and machine very differently than the old "2260" tubes (0.065 wall). The 2260MB tubes also have a hard step at the front threaded end that will make it very difficult to get it to seal with a Discovery fill adapter. The 2260 tubes are chamfered for a smooth squeeze on the adapter o-rings.
I have hydro'd a couple of the newer 2260MB tubes, and they failed at ~4100-4600 psi. In each case, the fill adapter blew out the front.
I have assembled about 50 PCP pistols and carbines over the course of 5-6 years, using the 2260 tubes and no failures reported. I wouldn't use a 2260MB tube except for a Co2 cartridge gun.
Bob
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I'd love to add a repeater breech to mine but that would kill my low budget build.
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Thanks Bob, as always I really respect your input.
Thing is, I already have a Maxi / Disco trigger assembly with the two screw mod and lighter springs, a .177 probe to work with, I also have the old Benji 392P stock that I am really kind of liking the looks of making a short carbine. (180-ish).
And I can buy the Crosman pieces , then aftermarket custom stuff in bites. Say ~$30 as money permits.
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The first stage of parts for my 2060 build is a done deal...
item part # price qnty ext. price
2260 lower tube 2260-004 $9.70 1 $9.70
2260 end cap and extension 2260-002 $7.20 1 $7.20
2260 end cap (rear) 2250-004 $5.65 1 $5.65
2260 stock lug 2260-012 $5.15 1 $5.15
2260 stock screw 2260-013 $1.15 1 $1.15
2260 barrel band 2240-001 $3.45 1 $3.45
2260 barrel band grub screw 88-089 $1.15 2 $2.30
2260 barrel spacer 2260-006 $5.45 1 $5.45
Had a nice chat with Chuck at Crosman... he asked if I had time and inquired if I was "Building something"?
I told him my plans, what I already have, and what was on my spreadsheet for the next order...he seemed wholeheartedly excited!
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Sorry if I missed it but, are you going C02 with this?
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actually 3 capabilities...
12 gram CO2 cart, then a CO2 bulk feed kit, and could then be teatherd to a bottle HPA regged down to 900psi CO2 pressure, similar to some of my other CO2 guns.
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I guess I'm just curious as to why, considering your location, that you are going to limit your use of the gun to favorable weather conditions.
I mean, being a "from ground up" build you can go any route you choose.
Again, just curious.
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You are right, cold weather here is detrimental to CO2 use 4-5 months out of the year.
By using one of the Bulk fill options available, like this from Bakers...
(https://www.bakerairguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSCN7495-600x450.jpg)
I have a 48ci Paintball tank I fill with 3000psi of air. It has a regulator set to 850-900 psi, (similar to CO2 pressure).
I tether that to my CO2 guns that are set-up for bulk fill and I can shoot year around.
For those guns, I also have a standard bulk fill set-up with a 20 oz CO2 tank so I can "bulk it up" and shoot "un-tethered" if I want to get away from the bench when it's warm out.
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If you are going to pressurize the tube a Disco valve, screws, and fill plug would be the way to go. Don't forget to add the holes to the tube for the other 2 valve anchor screws as the 2240 single 6/40 valve anchor screw won't do the job.
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You are right, cold weather here is detrimental to CO2 use 4-5 months out of the year.
By using one of the Bulk fill options available, like this from Bakers...
(https://www.bakerairguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSCN7495-600x450.jpg)
I have a 48ci Paintball tank I fill with 3000psi of air. It has a regulator set to 850-900 psi, (similar to CO2 pressure).
I tether that to my CO2 guns that are set-up for bulk fill and I can shoot year around.
For those guns, I also have a standard bulk fill set-up with a 20 oz CO2 tank so I can "bulk it up" and shoot "un-tethered" if I want to get away from the bench when it's warm out.
I dunno if you can see this but these are the nicest Crosmans I have ever seen:
https://www.airgunforum.ca/forums/topic71107.html (https://www.airgunforum.ca/forums/topic71107.html)
The maker is a Russian guy.
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Here is one sample if the link does not let you see the images:
(https://i.imgur.com/2CPoAIT.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/KBXTiYT.jpg)
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WHOA... WAIT!
You are one day ahead of me... that reminds me of my Xisico Sentry stock and I was planning on measuring mine tomorrow!
(http://flyingdragonairrifles.org/image/cache/catalog/Sentry-800x300.jpg)
And what the heck is THIS!!!
(http://s017.radikal.ru/i432/1601/42/04a3c6b1f255.jpg)
Thank you for the link. Those guns are Friggin AWESOME!
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"Happiness is...."
A work bench of new parts.
This is the first batch of goodies that came today. Enough to mock up the lower and get the stock fitted.
That will hold me over a bit, keep me busy, least for now.
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Oh boy I was waiting to see you get the bits and bobs in and start the build.
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Thanks for the interest Matt.
I have been to Carey. Worked for the Budd Co.
You ever been to Jaquay's in Findlay?
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Thanks for the interest Matt.
I have been to Carey. Worked for the Budd Co.
You ever been to Jaquay's in Findlay?
I have not been there and frankly didn't know it existed. Unless I was working in Findlay I spend as little time there as possible. Also the majority of my adult life I was in the army and lived out of state. Budd is now CSP btw.
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Well, this has been a long time recap but I have been working on the stock.
As mentioned I had a old broken, glued and pined 392P stock settin around.
After looking at all the "Plastic" stuff available, I still wanted to go the old wood "classic" version for this. So this seemed a perfect donor for this build.
But a major bit of repair was in order...
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So now it is fitted "bedded " if you will to the 2260 /Disco trigger assembly with the 2260 lower tube.
I have a "rattle can" of satin brown, and Stone Brown for where the stippling would be, an a can of Matte clear for the top coat.
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Well, a little (5 coats) of satin Brown and here is where I am today.
Next comes the Disco breech. I have a stock .177 probe, I have read a fatter seal that works with a .20. When I get the breech I can see what needs to be done to push the .20 past the T.P.
Then comes the stuffings. Do I go exotic or off the shelf?
Fluted hammer, Boss (RP) valve, Increased TP size.
Bulk fill from the Get-go or start with Carts.... :o ::)
The barrel looks "stubby" in the pic, but I had the barrel band on it but not on the tube... AND I have a Rocker1 moderator to add about 5" to the length yet. 8)
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Here is the deal... I have learned that Power does not equate to Accuracy.
What I am leery of is a combination of Boutique parts that will not be conductive to an accurate airgun. Worse yet, fight each other and lead to a gun that is a mutation and wont hit consistently and give me fits trying to figure out why.
FPE is nice but if the pellet doesn't go where I point it, what's the use?
I find it hard to believe I am treading new ground on a .20 that is based on current Crosman 22XX parts. Stock or upgrade. ANY input on tried and true custom parts that work is welcome.
Since this is a build consisting so far of bit's I already have... my budget is open so far, money ahead.
That said, "Let's Play Ball"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIE8F_OL_Ds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIE8F_OL_Ds)
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So tonight was a good night for spray bomb... sorta cold (54) but low humidity.
I had already masked off the "contact" points and applied the 3 light coats of Stone Rustoleum textured paint where the gripping was important.
Tonight I gave it 3 coats of Matte Clear on top of the entire stock...
Oh yes, this will work for now. ;)
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Here is the deal... I have learned that Power does not equate to Accuracy.
What I am leery of is a combination of Boutique parts that will not be conductive to an accurate airgun. Worse yet, fight each other and lead to a gun that is a mutation and wont hit consistently and give me fits trying to figure out why.
FPE is nice but if the pellet doesn't go where I point it, what's the use?
I find it hard to believe I am treading new ground on a .20 that is based on current Crosman 22XX parts. Stock or upgrade. ANY input on tried and true custom parts that work is welcome.
Since this is a build consisting so far of bit's I already have... my budget is open so far, money ahead.
That said, "Let's Play Ball"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIE8F_OL_Ds (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIE8F_OL_Ds)
I've built a couple of variants of just what you are building. I would urge you to go with bulk fill from the get go.
With a lightened striker, standard volume Disco valve, .156" T/P you should get to the high 680's with JSB's in 70+ deg weather.
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I've built a couple of variants of just what you are building. I would urge you to go with bulk fill from the get go.
With a lightened striker, standard volume Disco valve, .156" T/P you should get to the high 680's with JSB's in 70+ deg weather.
Thank you for that!
So would a fluted hammer be what you are calling a "Lightened Striker" or a lighter tension hammer spring?
Would there be any benefit to a "Boss RP" valve fitted with a "Boss" inlet for bulk fill?
Or would I just be wasting Co2?
(http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/uploads/1/7/3/1/17313740/s124734459505808862_p130_i2_w640.jpeg)
I have been thinking the stock valve with the Bulk fill kit from Baker...
(https://www.bakerairguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSCN7495.jpg)
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So tonight was a good night for spray bomb... sorta cold (54) but low humidity.
I had already masked off the "contact" points and applied the 3 light coats of Stone Rustoleum textured paint where the gripping was important.
Tonight I gave it 3 coats of Matte Clear on top of the entire stock...
Oh yes, this will work for now. ;)
You're definitely thinking outside the box. Very cool with the slick/selective textured. Luv it!
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Thank you Marty. Coming from a wood-smith such as yourself it means a lot.
Really pains me to paint wood, but this one was so badly broken, I thought it was worth a shot.
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I've built a couple of variants of just what you are building. I would urge you to go with bulk fill from the get go.
With a lightened striker, standard volume Disco valve, .156" T/P you should get to the high 680's with JSB's in 70+ deg weather.
Thank you for that!
So would a fluted hammer be what you are calling a "Lightened Striker" or a lighter tension hammer spring?
Would there be any benefit to a "Boss RP" valve fitted with a "Boss" inlet for bulk fill?
Or would I just be wasting Co2?
(http://www.alchemyairwerks.com/uploads/1/7/3/1/17313740/s124734459505808862_p130_i2_w640.jpeg)
I have been thinking the stock valve with the Bulk fill kit from Baker...
(https://www.bakerairguns.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/DSCN7495.jpg)
I found the standard Disco valve supplied enough fuel. I basically bored out the center of a P'rod striker and made a delrin insert to bring the I D to the OEM spec's. Anyway you choose to reduce the striker weight will be fine. Don't bulk it without adding the extra valve anchor screws regardless of which valve you use. I also like the P'rod fill plug..it has a Foster and nice cap, also it's aluminum so it's nice and light.
This is the last version og that .20 that I did. Next stop for it will be a 2024 alum tube like it's big brother.
https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=148199.msg1509676#msg1509676 (https://www.gatewaytoairguns.org/GTA/index.php?topic=148199.msg1509676#msg1509676)
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Thanks for sharing a link to your build... VERY NICE!
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Beat Feet home after work and made my next order from Crosman. Thought I should continue with the bare necessities I have planned while I contemplate the internals.
Disco steel Breech 1761-019 $29.70
Disco Breech plug AS2250-020 $2.00
Sleeve (T.P.) 1322A026 $1.15
Face Seal (T.P.) 130-036 $1.15
Screw, Breech 1322B027 $1.15
Screw, Trigger 130B031 $1.15
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While waiting on the delivery of the next batch of parts I did some searching on removing blueing. I found Naval Jelly suggested and sure enough it did the trick.
Quick and easy.
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When you remove the bluing don't you have to worry about rust or is there some other coating that you put on it then?
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Yep, I have been researching it and most who have done it just keep their metal oiled as we do with normal "blued" gun care.
Having stripped an polished a lot of metals on motorcycles. I have had no problems with a coat of quality Carnuba wax first.
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I kinda like the looks of those (polished?) looking guns, is that what you do to get them that way? And then what do you do before you wax them up, steel wool them?
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After stripping the blueing, I started the surface prep with green Scotch-bright pad, then moved to 1200g wet / dry sandpaper. That is where I left off for now. Oiled everything down until the breech arrives this week.
I am thinking once I strip it and the barrel band, I see how it turns out, I may just stop there.
It would be much easier to maintain a brushed finish. I have wet / dry sandpaper down to 1800g, and followed by 4 ought (0000) steel wool will give a near polished look.
On the other hand, I do have a Harbor Freight buffer and a whole slew of various compounds if I decide to jump in "whole hog" and put a mirror finish on it all.
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I say jump in "whole hog"... ;)
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Hi Scott. Took a quick peak in this thread and I see that you’ve been busy. Lol Nice work!
I may have an upcoming project myself. But first I need to see what I have when I get it. Lol
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Thanks!
I did get another batch of parts from Crosman. Enough that I could actually mock it up and finally see if what I had envisioned was actually going to set well.
One down side was I had specifically ordered a Disco / Maximus breech to not have the rear notch but what I received has it...even though the part number is correct. I called Crosman and explained what I had ordered and received. I was told the notch rear is now what they will all be.
While I find this hard to believe, I guess it is my only choice now.
Any way. I loosely snugged everything down, just enough to shoulder it. No internals but this is what it is looking like. The Rocker1 moderator make the length perfect for a .20 carbine.
In all honesty, I am kind of liking the black accents of the breech, barrel band, barrel tube spacer, and trigger guard along with the CF moderator.
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Looks pretty sharp. Oughta handle real nice in tight spaces.
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Looks great Scott. If I was a nutter i'd be scared to death, high tailing out of there, looking for another zip code.
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Looks great Scott. If I was a nutter i'd be scared to death, high tailing out of there, looking for another zip code.
... with my nuts in both hands.
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Thanks!
I did get another batch of parts from Crosman. Enough that I could actually mock it up and finally see if what I had envisioned was actually going to set well.
One down side was I had specifically ordered a Disco / Maximus breech to not have the rear notch but what I received has it...even though the part number is correct. I called Crosman and explained what I had ordered and received. I was told the notch rear is now what they will all be.
While I find this hard to believe, I guess it is my only choice now.
Any way. I loosely snugged everything down, just enough to shoulder it. No internals but this is what it is looking like. The Rocker1 moderator make the length perfect for a .20 carbine.
In all honesty, I am kind of liking the black accents of the breech, barrel band, barrel tube spacer, and trigger guard along with the CF moderator.
Man, thats looking really nice!
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Much appreciated gents!
Now to settle on the internals.
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Shoot my 2240s quite often. I would like change one of them to a 2540, but have been unable to find a barrel at a reasonable price. Thought I had found one, but cannot get in touch with the guy again to buy the barrel. Just something to play around with while healing up from back surgery.
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Jonah, if I remember right David at AlchemyAirwerks has the needfulthings to make a .25.
So last night I bit the bullet and went with my "educated guess" on the internals.
I ordered a Boss RP Valve / heavy spring / Boss Buddy TP kit and a Notched hammer from Alchemy.
MellonAir got the nod for a Stainless Flow thru bolt and handle and a Power adjuster.
I went with the .177 size bolt to fit in the .20 since it is only a couple thou smaller.
This barrel came with the TP drilled at the proper location, I verified it once I received the Breech... But it has no lead-in and that is fine for me. I will determine how steep an angle and how deep to go once the bolt gets here and put the lead-in on it with my Dremel one of many angled stone choices.
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I'm liking this build! Very nice!
I got myself a .20 build going on as well just waiting on a barrel. Hopefully will be done this week. Mines on a Gen1 Mrod though. Never should have sold my other one but wasn't a huge fan of the 13gr JSB even though they were very accurate. Now with the heavies I'm gonna tune it to be a 30fpe+ pester. Should perform better than a .22 with the 16gr!
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Thanks Dillon
Think I'll call it a Crojiman 2060.
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You have a good collection, enjoy them.
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I got notification that after nearly 2 weeks mellon has printed a shipping label for my flow through bolt and power adjuster. ::)
While waiting I picked out a scope, I got a little carried away. :-[
3.5-10x44 AO Nikko Stirling from Kentucky Gun. It arrived in 3 days and when I saw the size of the box I knew I had let "scope envy" get the best of me.
That is a quarter on the box, not a dime
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A lot of thought going into your 2040 Scott. That scope is going to look awesome! Women are good at mix/matching clothes. Give us guys a gun & man!
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Thanks Marty, it is a fun little project.
If the scope looks too out of place or worse yet changes the feel / balance of this little carbine I will swap it with the 3-9X32 AO Simmons "22 MAG" I have on my Beeman Silver Kodiak.
But that Simmons has held up so well on a springer I hate to change it.
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I got notification that after nearly 2 weeks mellon has printed a shipping label for my flow through bolt and power adjuster.
While waiting I picked out a scope, I got a little carried away. ::)
3.5-10x44 AO Nikko Stirling from Kentucky Gun. It arrived in 3 days and when I saw the size of the box I knew I had let "scope envy" get the best of me.
That is a quarter on the box, not a dime
woo hooo Matching scope! Nice!
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Nice! I love the silver look with a matching scope.
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OK!
After over two weeks the Mellon Air flow through prob, bolt handle, and power adjuster showed up today after work.
Tomorrow night let's see if I can put it all together!
8)
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My money says that you can!
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I don't get to hang out with my money long enough to know what it says.
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Came home to the "Honey-Do" list from *(&^..
maybe tomorrow ::)
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Last night I put it all together.
Had to put the lead-in on the barrel with a cone shaped stone in the dremel and I was scared to death I was going to screw it up! ::)
But after a few gradual trials, the bolt closes and it passed the tissue test. WHEW!
I did go overboard with the Nikko Sterling 44mm scope, too honkin big for this carbine. So it is going on the Beeman, and the Simmons 32mm is now on the 2060.
It is only 6o degrees here at 9:30 but I could not wait any longer. Took it out side for a few shots. First without the Rocker1 moderator, and then with.
WOW what a difference the sound is!
Too cool yet to actually try zeroing in the scope, but with the JSB 13.73g it sounds like she is hitting the 35 yard backstop HARD!
You can see how short this 16" barrel is without the Moderator, and then with it on the length is still easy handing.
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Pretty cloudy here so the photos turned out dark... the wood color is actually a bit lighter color of brown. The close-ups show it better...Maybe it's just my monitor. ::)
The feel of the "Stone paint" in key places with several coats of satin clear feels pretty close to "stippling" and gives a nice non-slip surface.
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Scott you hit another level of air gunning. To take that gun from scratch (laterally) & turn it into what I’m staring at in the scream is nothing short of amazing. She looks incredible w/o the Moderator but with it…you knocked it out of the park! Job well done!
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Thank you Marty!
Very kind of you.
I bought a Power Adjuster for it during my parts gathering, but want to try it first without it to get a "baseline".... so this is it's first rendition. I have a Magnum Airpower silver trigger in my "cart".
There is already more to come. ;)
Since this all started with a broken Benjiman 392P stock, Crosman parts, and a Benji Maximus trigger, I am calling it a Crojiman 2060.
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Is that pronounced "crotchy man or crow gee man" ... lol
Either way... sweet lego ya got there.
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Guess it depends on where you live.... Craw-Ja-Man? ;D
Thanks Bill.
Amazingly enough the temperature actually dropped. Just now at 1:30pm it is back up to where it was at 9:30am.
But now I gotta mow. :-\
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Just got the "severe storm warnings" on the tv, cell phones and house phone. Better go batten down the hatches. It's so humid and still right now. Sun is shining. You can smell it in the air though. And all the leaves on the trees are beginning to turn over.
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Got the mowing done... had sight it in.
Then watch the "Derby".
The results...
Grabbed my JSB 13.73g and was concerned on how hard it was to close the breech.
First 3 shots were off the the right with a nice group at 10M
Spin the dial to the left and bingo.. 5 shots a little high, but that is expected at this close range.
Then I moved it out to 20 yrds and kept shooting them and the groups grew because I kept fiddling with the scope. AO and Power. OK STOP IT!
Then after 20 shots (plus 5 dry fires last night) the cart fell off and it was done. ::)
The pic is same target, sighters "X" out... At that range the POI was even HIGHER.
Again, 5 shots at 20 yrds the bottom is the same JSB's. BUT the top is Benjiman 20's.
With the Benji's it was much easier to close the breech , must be the head size.
The group was BETTER!
Again, another 25 shots on the cart, but stretching it out to 35 yards was a fail. I could litterally see the pellet flight and about 30 it plummeted downwards.
All and all I am very happy. Surely when the ambient temps increase, so will the power / distance. 8)
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Dang Scott! I'll say it again...those rugrats had better move to a nutter zip code!
In all seriousness...excellent shooting!
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Oo Nice! ;)
I put my projects on the back burner right now... It seems as everything that I work on mechanically lately has been fighting me. So, I decided to take a short brake.
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8)
I have the remnants of a 1400 that will undergo something like this one of these years :)
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Scott........Very Nice Rifle ! Looks Great !
Best Wishes - Tom
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I have a rear cocker pumper that is screaming for some attention.
I have all the stuff to put together a 2240 carbine as well.
Hmmm.... maybe a rear cocker 2240 carbine.
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Thanks for the kind words all.
Today is looking like a nice sunny day, supposed to be near 70 this afternoon.
Time to play!
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Go get em Scotty !
.... meantime.... 2240 rear cocker carbine ain't gonna happen. The tube on the rear cocker is much smaller than that of the 2240. Instead I just built carbines out of both.
It all good...